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5 hours ago, Last Daze said:

The times of the Gentiles is different from the fullness of the Gentiles.  The difference is the same as sowing and reaping.  The seed of the gospel has been sown around the world.  The fullness of the harvest will take place when Jesus returns.

8 hours ago, Revelation Man said:

The Rapture happens FIRST, the Harvest of Souls happens at different points in time. In Rev. 14 we see Jesus on a CLOUD thrusting the cycle in, the Jesus thrusts another cycle in and harvests the Wicked into his Wine-press. This is why we have to understand the coming RAPTURE of the Church , the 70th Week and the fact the Israel is the WHEAT and the Wicked are the TARES. They grow together, the Church is in Heaven.

5 hours ago, Last Daze said:

Just because there is an area of dispute does not mean that the entire city of Jerusalem is trodden under foot by the Gentiles.  That explanation almost sounds agenda-driven.

It is yet trodden under foot by the gentiles brother. Islam is going to be wiped out at some point. This coming Anti-Christ uses this to his advantage. Satan is a brilliant tactician, hes for more intelligent than us. Now THINK for a moment, if you were playing CHESS and the whole world was the board now what would be the perfect MOVE for a person who wanted to control the whole world and to be worshiped as GOD?

Well first you have to get rid of the Fanatical Zealots who blow ordinary people up for not converting, its highly unlikely they will ever bow down and worship a man as God. And they have always been trouble wot their sneak attacks/bombing. Satan knows all they know is BRUTE FORCE, wipe them out right off the bat and you solve two problems, you gain cred with the rest of the world who is by then tired of those zealots, and you then take out Islam, other Religions will be taken out later. 

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4 hours ago, Steve Conley said:

Revelation Man, the times of the Gentiles has nothing to do with the fullness of the Gentiles. The Times of the Gentiles is the period of Gentile hegemony over Israel and Jerusalem. The fullness of the Gentiles refers to God calling out a people for Himself from among the Gentiles to provoke Israel to jealousy. 

The fullness of the Gentiles will be come in when the great tribulation is cut short by Christ's return. That is when the last Gentile is added to Christ. It is at that point that blindness in part is removed from Israel. This happens before God begins to pour out his wrath upon the Beast worshiping persecutors of the elect and Israel. We know that an innumerable company of Gentiles come out of great tribulation (Rev 7:9-17). So, Israel is still under the decreed blindness from God until after the great tribulation is over at Christ's parousia.

The Great Tribulation is not cut short, that is erroneous thinking, Jesus is saying Gods PRE PLANNED 7 Years stops mankind from destroying themselves, why would anyone think God has to REBOOT His plans?  God PLANNED it to be 7 Years, that is when he CUT IT SHORT via a plan. The Time of the Gentiles COMES FULL, there is no difference. 

 

4 hours ago, Steve Conley said:

The times of the Gentiles will continue until the Beast and the armies that follow him are destroyed in the end of the week. John records, "...the holy city shall they tread under foot forty and two months." (Rev 11:2) These 42 months take place in the second half of the week.

 

I think you guys do not believe in a pre trib rapture so you have to fudge it around, it don't work like that brother. The Fullness of the Gentile comes in, then after the Temple is REBUILT the Beast Conquers Jerusalem and the Gentile Beast this time rules Jerusalem for 42 Months. 

4 hours ago, Steve Conley said:

The order is:

1) The covenant confirmed with the many begins the seventieth week (Dan 9:27). Just as the church age began with exclusively Jewish believers, so also, will the Church continue into the week determined upon Israel and Jerusalem. God dealt with Israel in 70 AD for their rejection of their Messiah in the midst of the Church age and He deals with them now in the midst of the church age by provoking them to jealousy. It is to be expected that He will again deal with them at the end of the church age.

The Church is Raptured brother, that all I have to say there. 

4 hours ago, Steve Conley said:

2) Deception, conquest, war, pestilence, famines, and earthquakes take place in the beginning of sorrows (Matt 24:4-8; Luke 21:10-11; Rev 6:1-6). Note, that nothing is said to be unprecedented about these events. These are a continuation of that which mankind has witnessed throughout the times of the Gentiles or even the church age. However, there appears to be an anticipatory intensification of them here.

 

This is the Church age, not Jacobs Troubles.

 

4 hours ago, Steve Conley said:

3) Then in the middle of the week after Satan is cast from Heaven to the earth (Rev 12:7-12), Michael stands aside (Dan 12:1; 2Thes 2:3-10) and Satan gives power to the Beast (Rev 13:4-5; 2Thes 2:9-10), who reveals himself by his presence in the rebuilt temple (Dan 9:27; Matt 24:15; 2Thes 2:3-4). When he does this the temple is defiled and the daily sacrifice and oblation are stopped (Dan 9:27). It is at this time that Jesus says great tribulation begins (Matt 24:21).

 

Satan gives power via EVERY Kingdom, remember what he told Jesus in Like 4 ? If you will just bow down and worship me all this will be yours, for it is GIVEN ME, and I do what I want to with it.  The Anti-Christ is only REVEALED, meaning the veil is lifted, people see by his action he is a tyrant. The Temple can't be defiled if its already defiled, meaning the OBLATION that is taken away is Israel/Jews serving Jesus in the Temple they REPENT at the 1335, 75 days before the Beast Conquers Israel in Jerusalem at the 1260, and 45 days before the AoD happens at the 1290, so Israel is worshiping Jesus/God in the Temple, Jesus is their Sacrifice, of course like hes ours. (Malachi 4:5-6 is the 1335)

5 hours ago, Steve Conley said:

4) Beginning in the middle of the week and lasting for an undisclosed period of time the elect (the church) will face unprecedented persecution (great tribulation) for the name of Christ (Matt 24:9) at the hands of the Beast, False Prophet, and those that follow them (Matt 24:21; Dan 12:1; Rev 12:17). The persecution will be so severe that it will threaten to eliminate every last believer from the earth, and because of this, God cuts it short (Matt 24:22). This time will also be one of extreme deception (Matt 24:11). So much so, that Jesus said that if it were possible even the truly elect would be deceived (Matt 24:24). He also said that at this time many would be offended (Matt 24:10), that is leave the faith, and betray and hate one another. Paul called this departure from the faith the "apostasia" or a falling away (2Thes 2:3).

 

The ELECT is Israel, the Church is in Heaven, so we will face nothing brother.  Mathew 24:9 is about Jesus' disciples. The Beast and False Prophet are in Matthew 24:24, not in verses 5 or 11. Verse 5 is the 70 AD event, verse 11 is THE 2000 YEAR Church Age. These three (Matt 24:21; Dan 12:1; Rev 12:17) are the Time of greatest ever troubles. God cuts nothing short save the ORIGINAL 7 Year plan. 

Jesus stated it IS NOT Possible that the elect can be deceived because he says BEHOLD, I have told you before hand [where I will be coming from]. Then he tells then he will be coming from the EASTER SKIES, not via a secret chamber and not via a Desert.  Jesus will be where the CARCASS (Armageddon Carnage) is at and so will the Eagles (CHURCH) or the FOWLS in Rev. ch. 19 at the Marriage Supper Feast of the Kings, Men, Horses whom they CONSUME, Metaphorically speaking of course. Matt. 24:10 is about the Church Age and Jesus own Disciples. Paul was speaking of the RAPTURE in 2 Thess. 2:1-5. 

5 hours ago, Steve Conley said:

5) Also beginning in the middle of the week will be a time of unprecedented persecution of Israel by the Beast, False Prophet, and their followers, called Jacob's trouble (Jer 30:7). This is the wrath of the dragon (Satan) focused upon the woman (Rev 12:12-17). Two thirds of Israel shall be killed and the other third brought through the fire and refined (Zech 13:8-9). It will continue the 42 months that the Beast continues (Rev 13:5; Dan 7:25). A remnant of Israel will be protected, hid and fed in the wilderness during this time (Rev 12:13-15). Also there will be 144,000; 12,000 from each of the tribes with the exception of Dan that will be sealed for protection while they remain upon the earth through the period of God's wrath that comes later in the week, but within the forty two months (Rev 7:1-8).

 

Satan indeed is Angry, but from the First Seal to the 7th Vial is the Day of the Lord, or Gods Wrath. 2/3 are killed because they fail to flee to Judea, many might be in America or elsewhere and can't make it to Petra. The REMNANT CHURCH in Rev. 12:17 is not Israel however. She is those Gentiles that give their hearts to Christ after the Rapture. The BEAST does rule for 42 Months, hes shown in Daniel ch. 7 and Daniel ch. 8, along with Daniel 11:35-45. The 144,000 are ALL ISRAEL that flee to Petra, its means 12 x 12 x 12 = ALL ISRAEL, not actually 144,000 it will be 1/3 of all Jews alive on earth. Them being SEALED only means God holds back the Plagues until they make it to Petra. 

5 hours ago, Steve Conley said:

6) The great tribulation will be cut short by Christ's return (Matt 24:29-30). It will be portended by the cosmic sign that Joel and Peter spoke of (Joel 2:31; Acts 2:20; Matt 24:29; Luke 21:25-27; Rev 6:12-17). It is at that time that the church finds rest from persecution (2Thes 1:6-10).

 

Jesus will return EXACTLY 1260 Days after the Beast Conquers Jerusalem at the 1260, so 2520 Days after the Rapture which = 7 years.

5 hours ago, Steve Conley said:

7) The whole world will see Christ when He arrives in the clouds with His holy angels (Rev 1:7; Rev 24:27; 2Thes 1:7; Matt 24:30).

 

He arrives with THE ELECT whom the Angel gathers from ONE END of Heaven to the other. See Rev. 19, the Church comes back with Jesus on White Horses while the Beast and his Kings are still on earth !! 

5 hours ago, Steve Conley said:

8) At that time the trump of God will sound and the dead in Christ shall be raised incorruptible and those elect who survived shall be changed (Dan 12:1-2; 1Cor 15:51-52).

 

The Trump is THE VOICE of Jesus calling the Church to Heaven. The LAST TRUMP is the 5th Feast which follows the PENTECOST/HARVEST Feast (Church Age) the Trumpet sounds to END THE HARVEST, it signifies that ATONEMENT is Nigh and we all know Israel has to Atone. Then the 7th Feast is Tabernacles, which means God dwells with us. So Jesus will rule from Jerusalem with Israel for 1000 years. This fulfills all the Feasts. THE LAST TRUMP only ends the Church Age brother.

5 hours ago, Steve Conley said:

9) Then we all (the elect) shall be gathered (caught up) to Jesus in the clouds by the angels (Matt 24:31; 1Thes 4:15-17; 2Thes 2:1).

 

That is the Rapture but you are trying to place it at the Second Coming in Matt. 24:31, that will not work brother. Go look at Matthew 24:36-51, that is the Rapture, Jesus only taught it to Paul, thus Matthew didn't quite understand it. 

5 hours ago, Steve Conley said:

10) Christ will then escort us to the Father's house to stand before the throne (John 14:3; Rev 7:9-17).

 

We the Church Marry the Lamb in Heaven. The Judgment seat is not for us brother. Its for the BEHEADED, those under the Alter in the 5th Seal. They LIVE and REIGN with Christ [on earth] for 1000 years. 

5 hours ago, Steve Conley said:

11) The 144,000 thousand shall be sealed for protection from the trumpet and vial judgements while remaining upon the earth (Rev 7:1-8).

 

The 144,000 will be the Jews brother.

5 hours ago, Steve Conley said:

12) The wrath of God begins to be poured out later upon the same day as his arrival (Luke 17:26-30; 2Thes 1:6-10), in the form of the trumpet and later the vial judgements and the destruction of the Beast, False Prophet, and the armies that follow them at Armageddon (Rev 8, 9, 16-19).

 

The Wrath of God starts with the very FIRST SEAL. 

 

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7 hours ago, Revelation Man said:

Now THINK for a moment, if you were playing CHESS and the whole world was the board now what would be the perfect MOVE for a person who wanted to control the whole world and to be worshiped as GOD?

Plunge the world into chaos by creating a situation where nation rises against nation and kingdom against kingdom.  Then use supernatural powers to restore order. 

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7 hours ago, Revelation Man said:

The Rapture happens FIRST, the Harvest of Souls happens at different points in time. In Rev. 14 we see Jesus on a CLOUD thrusting the cycle in, the Jesus thrusts another cycle in and harvests the Wicked into his Wine-press. This is why we have to understand the coming RAPTURE of the Church , the 70th Week and the fact the Israel is the WHEAT and the Wicked are the TARES. They grow together, the Church is in Heaven.

I'm glad you bring up Revelation 14.

  • Then I looked, and behold, a white cloud, and sitting on the cloud was one like a son of man, having a golden crown on His head and a sharp sickle in His hand.  And another angel came out of the temple, crying out with a loud voice to Him who sat on the cloud, “Put in your sickle and reap, for the hour to reap has come, because the harvest of the earth is ripe.”  Then He who sat on the cloud swung His sickle over the earth, and the earth was reaped.  Revelation 14:14-16

That is the rapture described in Revelation.  This is in no way limited to Israel.  The scope is clearly stated as the earth.  The Son of Man, sitting on a cloud, reaping the harvest, lines up perfectly with this passage:

  • And He was saying, “The kingdom of God is like a man who casts seed upon the soil; and he goes to bed at night and gets up by day, and the seed sprouts and grows—how, he himself does not know.  The soil produces crops by itself; first the blade, then the head, then the mature grain in the head.  But when the crop permits, he immediately puts in the sickle, because the harvest has come.”  Mark 4:26-29 

This describes the fullness of the Gentiles coming in from all over the earth.  It's the day of the Lord when those who are Christ's put on immortality, which is our blessed hope . . . eternal life in Christ.

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42 minutes ago, Last Daze said:

Plunge the world into chaos by creating a situation where nation rises against nation and kingdom against kingdom.  Then use supernatural powers to restore order. 

Precisely what satan has been doing .     He uses evil men to do wicked and dangerous acts ,    At the same time he presents an all inclusive world religion

and as time goes on , more and more see dire dangers , have fear , and run right into his net of deception for they believe it holds the answer to the worlds ills

and really it only desires to make the world ready for lamb killing time .     OH,   its done began my friend  ,   its done began .  

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1 hour ago, Last Daze said:

Plunge the world into chaos by creating a situation where nation rises against nation and kingdom against kingdom.  Then use supernatural powers to restore order. 

Exactly, it will be Alinky tactics on steroids times (x) a 1000. Except I do not think the Nations vs. nations and Kingdoms vs. kingdoms as per Matthew 24 is end times, I think that is Church Age. I think he acts in a unilateral manner, and thus gets the Nations to trust him by SOLVING PROBLEMS these leaders haven't been able to solve in years, thus VIA PEACE he destroys MAN (Daniel 8:25). Then he plunges the world into chaos when he stats conquering, but heading up to that point in time, he will deceive the masses via being PEACEFUL, and will have WISE SOLUTIONS. 

Once he starts Conquering, he will not care what anyone knows about him per se. He will restore order by BRUTE FORCE. 

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1 hour ago, Last Daze said:

I'm glad you bring up Revelation 14.

  • Then I looked, and behold, a white cloud, and sitting on the cloud was one like a son of man, having a golden crown on His head and a sharp sickle in His hand.  And another angel came out of the temple, crying out with a loud voice to Him who sat on the cloud, “Put in your sickle and reap, for the hour to reap has come, because the harvest of the earth is ripe.”  Then He who sat on the cloud swung His sickle over the earth, and the earth was reaped.  Revelation 14:14-16

That is the rapture described in Revelation.  This is in no way limited to Israel.  The scope is clearly stated as the earth.  The Son of Man, sitting on a cloud, reaping the harvest, lines up perfectly with this passage:

For starters, Jesus being on a Cloud signifies, in my opinion, the Pre-tribulation Rapture of the Church. The Book of Revelation is not in Chronological order. Revelation 1,2 and 3 is the Church Age or the Churches of Asia-Minor, however one wishes to look at it. Rev. 4 and 5 is the Raptured Church in Heaven praising God the Father, then singing Worthy is the Lamb in chapter 5, who is found worthy to open the Seven Seals of Gods Wrath. Rev. chapter 6 is of course the Seals. Revelation 7:1-8 shows Israel Fleeing Judea (144,000 is ALL ISRAEL) and Rev. 7:9-17 is the Church again shown in Heaven, just like Rev. 4 and 5 they have on White signifying they have already Married the Lamb (thus Rev. ch. 19 is a Parenthetical Citation of sorts). Revelation 8, 9 and 16 finish out the  Judgments, the 7th Seal, Trumpet and Vial Judgments. Except for chapters 20-22 that is how the book of Revelation's Chronological order runs.

So chapters 10, 11, 12 13, 14, 15, 17, 18 and 19 are just Parenthetical Citations.  Rev. 14 tells the WHOLE STORY of the Harvest of the world. The Revelation chapter 14 event covers the 144,000 landing on Mt. Zion with Jesus, (he brings them from Petra with him) the angel announces Babylon or the World has Fallen to Christ, then it speaks about those that have taken the Mark of the Beast and the Wine of Gods Wrath that they will receive, THEN all of the sudden, as was the Writing style the it seems, John shifted away from the Coming battle at Armageddon and the Wine of Gods Wrath to another event that had already taken place once they mention the patience of the Saints.

Rev. 14:12 Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.

Then John heard the voice say, Blessed are hey which die henceforth that they may rest from their labors. Then John seems to show the Rapture of the Church which happened before the Tribulation, Jesus is ON A CLOUD, and thus calls us up to him via the Cycle being THRUST IN, thus we are Harvested from all the earth. If this were about only the Jews, they cold be Harvested from all the earth also, they do live all over the world, besides, to REAP the whole world doesn't mean that the WHOLE EARTH produces fruit so to speak. 

In verse 17 Another Angel comes out of the Heavenly Temple and THRUSTS in the Cycle to Harvest the WICKED. Notice Jesus thrust in the cycle to call home the Church in verses 14 and 15 here the Angel harvests the Wicked. The Wicked are cast into the Wine-press OUTSIDE THE CITY, meaning at Armageddon. 

Rev. ch. 11 likewise is about the Two-Witnesses whole 1260 day life span PLUS the 75 DAYS from when they die until Jesus returns, thus when it states Jesus TAKES OVER the Kingdoms of the earth, well yes, its telling about the final results of the PRAYERS of the Two-witnesses, the 7th Trumpet was blown in ch 11, thus it is saying the 3rd Woe CAME TO PASS QUICKLY, the DETAILS we left off, this was about the TWO-WITNESSES, a Parenthetical Citation. We see them for 1260 days, and we see the results of their efforts for the next 75 days. We do not see the Vials in action, we see that in Rev. 16. But when it states the 7th Trumpet was blown, that was the 3rd WOE, and thus everything WAS OVER. Its not a part of the Chronological order. 

1 hour ago, Last Daze said:
  • And He was saying, “The kingdom of God is like a man who casts seed upon the soil; and he goes to bed at night and gets up by day, and the seed sprouts and grows—how, he himself does not know.  The soil produces crops by itself; first the blade, then the head, then the mature grain in the head.  But when the crop permits, he immediately puts in the sickle, because the harvest has come.”  Mark 4:26-29 

This describes the fullness of the Gentiles coming in from all over the earth.  It's the day of the Lord when those who are Christ's put on immortality, which is our blessed hope . . . eternal life in Christ.

The Gentile Church is Raptured before the 70th Week my friend. 

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12 hours ago, Quasar93 said:

 

 

1 Thess.4:16 will be the very next prophetic event to ake lace,  1 Cor.15:23, in referebce to resurrections, has nothing to do with it.

 

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You have not reconciled the two passages.

They are given by Paul to two different groups, but are the same word from God. Both passages pertain to the so called rapture of the church...and that is the subject of discussion.

You should be putting the two passages together. But because you put asunder, you error.

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10 minutes ago, ScottA said:

You have not reconciled the two passages.

They are given by Paul to two different groups, but are the same word from God. Both passages pertain to the so called rapture of the church...and that is the subject of discussion.

You should be putting the two passages together. But because you put asunder, you error.

 

The above is as clear as mud.  If you expect a response from me on it, kindly explain what you are talking about and what you claim I am in error about!

 

 

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This passage of scripture has nothing to do with the rapture which will take place just before the 70th week begins 

It is all about the Lord coming to cast unbelievers into the great wine press of the wrath of God at the battle of Armageddon [Revelation 14:14-20]

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