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1 hour ago, Quasar93 said:

 

As I previously wrote, the Olivet Discourse by Jesus in Mt.24:4-31, and counter parts in Mk.13 and in Lk.21, consist of Jesus answers to the questions His disciples asked Him in verse 3: "What are the signs of your return and of the end of the age?"  As such, His response was an amplification of Dan.9:27, none of which has taken place yet.  Jesus firther amplified His Olivet Discourse, in Rev.6:1-15.  All of which pertain to end time events that have not uet taken place.

 

I do not agree with, nor accept allegorical attempts to interpret prophecy as you are doing.

 

 

Quasar93

The Scriptures SPEAK FOR THEMSELVES, other would point to having an allegorical take on Daniel 9:27, of course that is hogwash since the understanding is the understanding it is what it is. Likewise Matthew 24 could not be any more clearer as per the DIVIDE. The Gospel has to be preached unto all the Earth, then the end will come. So anything before Matthew 24:14 is not during the Tribulation period, and its not even debatable. 

 

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On 4/16/2018 at 7:44 AM, Quasar93 said:

he prophetic chronological order of end times events as outlined in the Bible are as follows:

1. The very next prophetic event to take place will be the rapture of the Church, consisting of everyone who believes in Jesus Christ as Lord, regardless of denomination, or no denomination at all, as taught by both Jesus as well as the apostle Paul. In Jn.14:2-4, 28; 1 Thes.4:13-18; 2 Thes.2:1-8; Rev.3:10 and 4:1-2. All those who died in Christ, to all those who are still alive at His coming in the clouds of the sky, for His Church, where we will all meet Jesus, from where He will take us to our Father in heaven, as He promised us in Jn.14:2-4 and 28.

2. The rapture of the Christian Church of Jesus Christ preceeds the revealing of the man of lawlessness/beast/antichrist, according to 2 Thes.2:3-4 and 7-8. Which then immediately sets off the seven years of tribulation, as recorded in Mt.24:4-31, Jesus amplification of Dan.9:27. Where the person who is all three of the "he's" in that verse, and the rider of the white horse in Rev.6:2, is revealed.  All of whom are the antichrist. It is at this stage of end times chronology the 70th Week of Dan.9:27 will begin.

3. The tribulation is revealed in Jer.30:4-7, referred to as "Jacob's Trouble," and in Dan.9:27, the 70th and final week of God's decree upon the destiny of Israel. In God's revelation to the prophet Daniel, through the angel Gabriel, the 70 "Weeks" [7 years each] of years He has decreed upon the entire destiny of Israel.  From the end of their 70 year exile, through the coming seven year tribulation.  The person who will set it of is the antichrist, the "he" who will establish a seven year covenant/agreement with them. Dan.9:27.

Jesus amplified and confirmed Daniel's 70th and final "Week," consisting of the abomination that causes desolation, in Mt.24:15 and 21, and in the counterparts of Mk.13 and in Lk.21.

4. The fig trees have sprouted leaves, we can see for ourselves and know that summer is near. Lk.21:29. Which began with the new nation of Israel, when it was reestablished on May 14, 1948.

5. The Christian Church of Jesus Christ is called up into heaven, symbolically illustrated by the apostle John in Rev.4:1-2, confirming 2 Thes.2:3 and 7-8.  As prophecied in Jn.14:2-4, 28 and 1 Thes.4:16-17, while Israel and all non-believers will go through the seven year tribulation. The Church is seen again at their marriage of the Lamb [Jesus Christ] to His Bride [The Church] in heaven, recorded in Rev.19:7-9, while the tribulation is taking place on earth.

6. Jesus will return, seven ears later, with His Church, following Him on white horses, dressed in fine linen, white and clean, which stands for the righteous acts of the saints [Verse 8 NIV]. In His Second Coming to the earth, with His angels, in His armies from heaven, in Zech.14:4-5, Mt.24:31, Jude 14, and Rev.19:14.

7. Jesus will fight  the battle of Armageddon, with His armies from heaven and end it, recorded in Rev.19:11-21.  And save the remnant of Israel, who then recognize Him as their Messiah, recorded in  Zech.12:10, and "all Israel will be saved," recorded in Rom.11:26...

8. The antichrist and the false prophet will be thrown into the lake of fire, and the armies of the ten horns [nations] are destroyed. Rev19:17-21. Jesus prophecy in Jn.10:16 will then be fulfilled, when there will be one fold [Israel and His Church] and one Shepherd. It is at this stage of end times chronology the 70 Weeks prophecy in Dan.9:27 will end.
 9..Satan is caught and thrown into the Abyss for the same 1,000 years that Jesus will reign, in His kingdom here on the earth. Rev.20:6, confirming Mt.6:9-13;  Zech.6:12-13, described in Ez.40-47; Acts 1:6; 2:29-30 and 15:16.

10. The first resurrection takes place which consists of all those brought to the Lord during the tribulation by the 144,000 Israelite evangelists. They will be martyred during the tribulation, by the two beasts, the antichrist, the false prophet and the ten horns [nations] allied to them. Those who are brought to Christ by the 144,000 Israelite evangelists, in the absence of the departed Church during the tribulation, do not belong to the Christian Church [who will be raptured before the seven year tribulation begins, as addressed above]. They will be made priests of God and of Christ, and rule with Him for 1,000 years, after their resurrection, according to Rev.20:4 and 6.  They will be beheaded and pay with their lives for their testimony of Jesus, by the two beasts, the antichrist, the false prophet and the ten horns [nations] allied to them..

11. The Millennial Kingdom of Christ will consist of the one body of Christ, His Church,  all those who survived the tribulation, besides the resurrected martyrs, and the remnant of Israel. In numbers alone, from an estimated original 7 billion people, there will only be 2.3 billion remaining , of those who had to go through the tribulation, recorded in Zech.13:8. Life expectancy will be greatly increased. Isa.65:20 and 11:6-9.

12. Jesus 1,000 year kingdom  will begin at this point, according to Rev.20:6, here on the earth, on the throne of David, in the restored kingdom of Israel, confirming Acts 1:6; 2:29-30 and 15:16.  At the same time the 1,000 years Satan will be in the Abyss, according to Rev.20:1-3.  Jesus prophecy in Jn.10:16 will then be fulfilled, when there will be one fold, Israel and the Church, with one Shepherd. When Jesus Millennial kingdom has ended, 1,000 years later, at the Great White Throne judgment, recorded in Rev.20:11-15.  Satan will be released and go out to deceive the people and nations again in his last rebellion against God and gather a huge army who come against God's people, surrounding Jerusalem. But God will send fire and sulfur down from heaven, as He did at Sodom and Gomorrah, destroying them all, and throwing Satan into the lake of fire, forever, in Rev.20:7-10.

13. The second resurrection takes place according to Rev.20:5, that consists of all those who will be saved during the Millennial reign of Jesus here on the earth, as well as the Godless and wicked, at the Great White Throne Judgment, set up to judge them, right here on earth. The sea, death and Hades all give up their dead and will then be thrown into the lake of fire. Meaning, that all who were in the 'temporal holding tanks' of Sheol, Hades and Hell will be removed to face judgment, along with death itself, disposed of forever. For all those who participate in the second resurrection, if their name is not found in the book of life, will be thrown into the lake of fire forever. Rev.20:11-15, and Dan.12:2 and Mt.25:46 will be fulfilled.

14. The old heaven and earth will pass away, recorded in Rev.21:1 [Destroyed by fire according to 2 Pet.3:7] and God will provide an all new heaven and earth, and the new eternal city of Jerusalem will descend from heaven, 1,500 miles long and as wide as it is long and as high as it is wide, Rev.21:1-16.
 

 15. The rest of chapters 21 and 22 allude to a description of the coming eternal city and life of all believers who will be with the Lord forever.

 
Quasar 93

The problem with the 'pre-tribulation' position is that it is against what scripture plainly teaches. They falsely believe that the 'church' will be ushered out before the 'Great Tribulation'. They rely on a few verses to supposedly support their position. Like 1 Thes 5:9...."God has not appointed us to suffer wrath"..........and Rev 3:10...."keep thee from the hour of temptation"................... just to name a few.

The 'Great Tribulation' and the 'Wrath of God" are two distinct 'trials and judgments'. One is against the Jews and Christians (Great Tribulation)...the other is against unbelievers who refused to repent (Wrath of God).

Scriptures tell us that we MUST go thru tribulation to enter the Kingdom of God:

The Bible says: “In the world ye shall have TRIBULATION” (John 16:33). “We must through much TRIBULATION enter into the kingdom of God” (Acts 14:22). “We glory in TRIBULATIONS also: knowing that TRIBULATION worketh patience” (Rom. 5:3).

“TRIBULATION, or distress, or persecution” shall not separate us from Christ (Rom. 8:35-37). We are to be “patient in TRIBULATION” (Rom. 12:12), “joyful in all our TRIBULATIONS” (2 Cor. 7:4), and faint not at TRIBULATION (Eph. 3:13; 2Thess. 1:4). The Lord “comforteth us in all our TRIBULATION, that we may be able to comfort them which are in any TROUBLE [thlipsis — tribulation]” (2 Cor. 1:4). Jesus spoke of those who receive the word but do not become rooted and “when TRIBULATION or persecution ariseth” they give up (Mt. 13:21).

Look at the 'great tribulation' that 100's of thousands of our brothers and sisters are facing daily in places like the Middle East, Africa, North Korea, China and others. They are being persecuted, butchered, tortured, raped because of their faith, the likes of which we can't even begin to imagine. Where is the 'Pre-tribulation' rapture for them? How come they have to go thru tribulation?

Here in the west, we are being lulled to sleep by smooth talking ministers telling us ...."Oh don't worry, we won't go thru any tribulation. God will rapture us out before it begins" ..............

It's absurd!!!!!

Why are we better than them? Most of us are 'pew sitters'. We go once a week and listen to a sermon about (how nice things are)

This is why there will be a 'great apostasy'. It's a great falling away. The sheep who are being numbed down won't have a clue. They'll say...."well my preacher said we won't face the antichrist"......."so if the preacher was wrong about that, what else is he wrong about".......and they'll fall away, millions of them.

Saying that Mathew 24 was written for the Jews only, well, you may as well include all of Mathew, and Mark, Luke and John too. since there was 'no church' yet.  And 'church' isn't mentioned after Rev 4....so the rest of Rev, you may as well disregard that too.

The bible is getting smaller! Is there anything else that we should 'cherry pick', you know, to conform to our "view" of scripture?

 

 

 

 

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10 hours ago, Revelation Man said:

The Scriptures SPEAK FOR THEMSELVES, other would point to having an allegorical take on Daniel 9:27, of course that is hogwash since the understanding is the understanding it is what it is. Likewise Matthew 24 could not be any more clearer as per the DIVIDE. The Gospel has to be preached unto all the Earth, then the end will come. So anything before Matthew 24:14 is not during the Tribulation period, and its not even debatable. 

 

 

Indeed!  The Scriptures thoroughly speak for themselves and completely refute you.  See my thread: The Biblical Teaching of the pre-trib Rapture of the Church, that prove it.  It's source is from my website data bank in the four post link below:

And where, may I ask, did you obtain your qualifications to teach eschatology?

https://www.tapatalk.com/groups/deeperwalk/the-biblical-teaching-of-the-pre-trib-rapture-of-t-t19401898.html

 

Quasar93

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6 hours ago, JoeCanada said:

The problem with the 'pre-tribulation' position is that it is against what scripture plainly teaches. They falsely believe that the 'church' will be ushered out before the 'Great Tribulation'. They rely on a few verses to supposedly support their position. Like 1 Thes 5:9...."God has not appointed us to suffer wrath"..........and Rev 3:10...."keep thee from the hour of temptation"................... just to name a few.

The 'Great Tribulation' and the 'Wrath of God" are two distinct 'trials and judgments'. One is against the Jews and Christians (Great Tribulation)...the other is against unbelievers who refused to repent (Wrath of God).

Scriptures tell us that we MUST go thru tribulation to enter the Kingdom of God:

The Bible says: “In the world ye shall have TRIBULATION” (John 16:33). “We must through much TRIBULATION enter into the kingdom of God” (Acts 14:22). “We glory in TRIBULATIONS also: knowing that TRIBULATION worketh patience” (Rom. 5:3).

“TRIBULATION, or distress, or persecution” shall not separate us from Christ (Rom. 8:35-37). We are to be “patient in TRIBULATION” (Rom. 12:12), “joyful in all our TRIBULATIONS” (2 Cor. 7:4), and faint not at TRIBULATION (Eph. 3:13; 2Thess. 1:4). The Lord “comforteth us in all our TRIBULATION, that we may be able to comfort them which are in any TROUBLE [thlipsis — tribulation]” (2 Cor. 1:4). Jesus spoke of those who receive the word but do not become rooted and “when TRIBULATION or persecution ariseth” they give up (Mt. 13:21).

Look at the 'great tribulation' that 100's of thousands of our brothers and sisters are facing daily in places like the Middle East, Africa, North Korea, China and others. They are being persecuted, butchered, tortured, raped because of their faith, the likes of which we can't even begin to imagine. Where is the 'Pre-tribulation' rapture for them? How come they have to go thru tribulation?

Here in the west, we are being lulled to sleep by smooth talking ministers telling us ...."Oh don't worry, we won't go thru any tribulation. God will rapture us out before it begins" ..............

It's absurd!!!!!

Why are we better than them? Most of us are 'pew sitters'. We go once a week and listen to a sermon about (how nice things are)

This is why there will be a 'great apostasy'. It's a great falling away. The sheep who are being numbed down won't have a clue. They'll say...."well my preacher said we won't face the antichrist"......."so if the preacher was wrong about that, what else is he wrong about".......and they'll fall away, millions of them.

Saying that Mathew 24 was written for the Jews only, well, you may as well include all of Mathew, and Mark, Luke and John too. since there was 'no church' yet.  And 'church' isn't mentioned after Rev 4....so the rest of Rev, you may as well disregard that too.

The bible is getting smaller! Is there anything else that we should 'cherry pick', you know, to conform to our "view" of scripture?

 

 

 

 

 

Review my thread: The Biblical teaching of the pre-trib Rapture of the Church, that thoroughly refute you.  As I told another member, its source is from the data bank on my website, in the four post link below.

And where, may I ask, did you obtain your qualifications to teach eschatology?

 https://www.tapatalk.com/groups/deeperwalk/the-biblical-teaching-of-the-pre-trib-rapture-of-t-t19401898.html

 

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On 4/16/2018 at 10:44 AM, Quasar93 said:

2. The rapture of the Christian Church of Jesus Christ preceeds the revealing of the man of lawlessness/beast/antichrist, according to 2 Thes.2:3-4 and 7-8. Which then immediately sets off the seven years of tribulation, as recorded in Mt.24:4-31, Jesus amplification of Dan.9:27. Where the person who is all three of the "he's" in that verse, and the rider of the white horse in Rev.6:2, is revealed.  All of whom are the antichrist. It is at this stage of end times chronology the 70th Week of Dan.9:27 will begin.

II Thessalonians 2:1 "Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him,"

What's the subject?

Our gathering to Christ

II Thessalonians 2:3 "Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come , except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;"

What day?

Our gathering back to Christ.

How can you read these verses and say we gather to Christ before the man of sin is revealed?

 

 

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On 4/16/2018 at 11:49 PM, Quasar93 said:

My chronological order of events cleary reveals, the pre-trib rapture of the Church comes before the Antichrist is revealed.

So why does Christ say He returns after the tribulation?

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21 hours ago, Quasar93 said:

 

Indeed!  The Scriptures thoroughly speak for themselves and completely refute you.  See my thread: The Biblical Teaching of the pre-trib Rapture of the Church, that prove it.  It's source is from my website data bank in the four post link below:

And where, may I ask, did you obtain your qualifications to teach eschatology?

https://www.tapatalk.com/groups/deeperwalk/the-biblical-teaching-of-the-pre-trib-rapture-of-t-t19401898.html

 

Quasar93

We have been down this road before and I chastised for thinking the Holy Spirits knowledge can be bought, whilst God chose BABES (Disciples) to give it to. I have been preaching over 30 years and called to Prophecy.

Now as per your Pre Tribulation Rapture, NO KIDDING, I also believe in a Pre Tribulation Rapture. 

What I stated REMAINS, Matthew 24:1-6 is from Jesus to 70 AD

Matthew 24:7-14 is the 2000 year Church Age.

(RAPTURE HAPPENS it is shown in Matthew 24:36-51)

Matthew 24:15-31 is the Tribulation Period.

Nothing before verse 15 is the TRIBULATION PERIOD. And nothing you say is ever going to change that fact as per my belief.

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14 hours ago, n2thelight said:

So why does Christ say He returns after the tribulation?

Because WE DO RETURN after the Tribulation, see Rev. 19, Jesus AND the Church/Bride returns on White Horses. Why is this so hard ? 

We Marry the Lamb, RETURN on White Horses with Jesus AND the Beast and his Kings are STILL ON EARTH. Its pretty simple stuff.

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5 hours ago, n2thelight said:

So why does Christ say He returns after the tribulation?

 

 

According to what Jesus told John, He will return BEFORE the tribulation ends:  As it is He who returns WITH  His Church, in verse 14, to END IT, as recorded in Rev.19:11-21.

Verse 1 where Paul refers our gathering unto the Lord, Jesus Christ, is a direct reference to 1n Thess.4:17, when He comes to rapture the Church, and is the theme of the entire passage of 2 Thess.2:1-8..

 

Quasar93

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3 hours ago, Revelation Man said:

We have been down this road before and I chastised for thinking the Holy Spirits knowledge can be bought, whilst God chose BABES (Disciples) to give it it. I have been preaching over 30 years and called to Prophecy.

Now as per your Pre Tribulation Rapture, NO KIDDING, I also believe in a Pre Tribulation Rapture. 

What I stated REMAINS, Matthew 24:1-6 is from Jesus to 70 AD

Matthew 24:7-14 is the 2000 year Church Age.

(RAPTURE HAPPENS it is shown in Matthew 24:36-51)

Matthew 24:15-31 is the Tribulation Period.

Nothing before verse 15 is the TRIBULATION PERIOD. And nothing you say is ever going t change that fact. 

 

The Scriptures will continue to rebuke you for adding things to it that it DOES NOT say.  There is nothing whatever in Mt.24:4-31 that Jesus referred to, that will/did take place BEFORE the tribulation begins - which has not yet taken place.  Review the following in 2 Pet.1:20, below:

 "knowing this first of all, that no prophecy of Scripture comes from someone’s own interpretation."

 

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