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1 minute ago, Mishael said:

History proves otherwise and we have historical evidence that unblemished lambs for the Temple sacrifice were in fact kept in the fields near Bethlehem during the winter months. With that said, it is impossible to prove whether or not Jesus was born on December 25. And, ultimately, it does not matter.

Can you show us one Scripture which commands, or even suggests we need to celebrate Christmas any time of the year? Or one scripture which shows the disciples celebrating Christmas.

In Australia they celebrate Christmas in July, and December. Two Christmas's Its nothing more than a pagan and money making celebration

[Mishael]

31 minutes ago, HAZARD said:

Can you show us one Scripture which commands, or even suggests we need to celebrate Christmas any time of the year? Or one scripture which shows the disciples celebrating Christmas.

In Australia they celebrate Christmas in July, and December. Two Christmas's Its nothing more than a pagan and money making celebration

See that's you flinging argument to argument trying to prove Christmas is pagan, in history Christmas was always celebrated in winter not in July. The incarnation and birth of God the Son into the world is more then enough reason to celebrate Christmas, not to mention the many prophets who predicted the birth of Jesus's. You can't prove Christmas is pagan? 

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3 minutes ago, Mishael said:

See that's you flinging argument to argument trying to prove Christmas is pagan, in history Christmas was always celebrated in winter not in July. The incarnation and birth of God the Son into the world is more then enough reason to celebrate Christmas, not to mention the many prophets who predicted the birth of Jesus's. You can't prove Christmas is pagan? 

The word "Christmas" means "Mass of Christ" or, as it later became shortened, "Christ-Mass." It came to us as a Roman Catholic mass. And where did they get it? From the HEATHEN celebration of December 25th, as the birthday of Sol the SUN GOD! It is, actually, an ancient rite of BAALISM, which the Bible condemns as the most abominable of all idolatrous worship!

It is not so much as MENTIONED anywhere in the New Testament. It was never observed by Paul, the apostles, the early true Christian Church!

The idea that Jesus was born December 25th, is one of the FABLES the Apostle Paul prophesied (II Tim. 4:4) would deceive the world in these latter days.

The plain truth is, Christmas is NOT Christ's birthday at all! And this festival, important as it seems to so many, is not of Christian, but of pagan — Babylonish — origin! Where's the Scriptures proving Christmas is to be celebrated by Christians? Did the apostles celebrate Christmas? Show us one scripture.

[Mishael]

19 minutes ago, HAZARD said:

The word "Christmas" means "Mass of Christ" or, as it later became shortened, "Christ-Mass." It came to us as a Roman Catholic mass. And where did they get it? From the HEATHEN celebration of December 25th, as the birthday of Sol the SUN GOD! It is, actually, an ancient rite of BAALISM, which the Bible condemns as the most abominable of all idolatrous worship!

It is not so much as MENTIONED anywhere in the New Testament. It was never observed by Paul, the apostles, the early true Christian Church!

The idea that Jesus was born December 25th, is one of the FABLES the Apostle Paul prophesied (II Tim. 4:4) would deceive the world in these latter days.

The plain truth is, Christmas is NOT Christ's birthday at all! And this festival, important as it seems to so many, is not of Christian, but of pagan — Babylonish — origin! Where's the Scriptures proving Christmas is to be celebrated by Christians? Did the apostles celebrate Christmas? Show us one scripture.

The idea that Sol Invictus was born in December 25 is also a common myth, while pagan worship of the sun certainly existed in Rome before the spread of the fulfillment of that promise in Christ came to the city; the celebration of Sol Invictus as a god in Rome actually came as pagans attempted to suppress Christianity. This early attempt as suppressing Christianity by means of the pagan worship of Sol is found in the Historia Augusta, a pagan history of Rome compiled in the fourth century AD. 

There is no mention of the celebration of Sol Invictus in Roman history until the rule of Aurelian (A.D. 270-275). Aurelian did try to re-introduce the worship of Sol Invictus by decree in the year 274. But there is no record of this festival being held on December 25th. “The traditional feast days of Sol, as recorded in the early imperial fasti, were August 8th and/or August 9th, possibly August 28th, and December 11th.”(Hijmans, p. 588 )

Aurelian did declare games to Sol every four years. But there is no record from the period or early historiographers that these games were associated with December 25th in any way. The best evidence suggest that the games were held October 19-22 of their calendar. Anyway, on another coincidence, a year after Aurelian declared these games in honor of Sol Invictus, he was assassinated by his own pagan Roman officers out of fear he would execute them based on false charges.

The earliest calendar to mention that Invictus as a specified date for Roman religious life comes from a text of the Philocalian Calendar, VIII Kal recorded in an illuminated 4th Century manuscript called The Chronography of 354. In this late manuscript the date is listed in Mensis December (The Month of December) as N·INVICTI·CM·XXX.

Many scholars through the years have assumed that INVICTI in this calendar must mean “Sol Invictus.” This is possible. However, elsewhere the calendar does not hesitate to make explicit mention of festivals to Sol, for example: on SOLIS·ET·LVNAE·CM·XXIIII (August 28th) and LVDI·SOLIS (October 19-22).

Even if INVICTI does refer to Sol Invictus on December 25th of this calendar, all this shows is that the celebration of Sol Invictus was placed on December 25th after Christianity had already widely accepted and celebrated December 25th as the Nativity of Christ.

 

 

 

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Where's the Scriptures proving Christmas is to be celebrated by Christians? Did the apostles celebrate Christmas? Show us one scripture. In fact, show me one Scripture containing the word Christmas, in any version of the bible. 

[Mishael]

There is significance to the birth of Jesus:

“10 But the angel said to them, “Do not be afraid. I bring you good news that will cause great joy for all the people. 11 Today in the town of David a Savior has been born to you; he is the Messiah, the Lord. 12 This will be a sign to you: You will find a baby wrapped in cloths and lying in a manger.” 13 Suddenly a great company of the heavenly host appeared with the angel, praising God and saying,

14 “Glory to God in the highest heaven,
 and on earth peace to those on whom his favor rests.”

15 When the angels had left them and gone into heaven, the shepherds said to one another, “Let’s go to Bethlehem and see this thing that has happened, which the Lord has told us about.”

Thus one can indirectly implied that if the angels celebrated the birth of Jesus, then Christians can as well. It’s an opportunity to tell others that a Savior has been born to us.

“4 But when the set time had fully come, God sent his Son, born of a woman, born under the law, 5 to redeem those under the law, that we might receive adoption to sonship. 6 Because you are his sons, God sent the Spirit of his Son into our hearts, the Spirit who calls out, “Abba, Father.” 7 So you are no longer a slave, but God’s child; and since you are his child, God has made you also an heir.”

The birth of Jesus Christ was determined by the God to be born so that those under the law might be redeemed from the law to become sons of God. It can be implied that we praise God for the gift of his Son and his presence over 2000 years ago.

Christians can celebrate the timing and the gift of God’s Son to us for without the birth of a Savior we will be still in our sins and in darkness. Is this a sufficient ground to celebrate the birth of Jesus? Yes, if one wants to make an argument for the celebration of Jesus’ birth but the greater celebration should be the death and resurrection of Jesus Christ.

Summary: The Apostles and the early Christians celebrated the death and resurrection of Jesus Christ through the Lord’s Supper over the celebration of his birth. The cross was more important than the cradle.

[Mishael]

11 minutes ago, HAZARD said:

Where's the Scriptures proving Christmas is to be celebrated by Christians? Did the apostles celebrate Christmas? Show us one scripture. In fact, show me one Scripture containing the word Christmas, in any version of the bible. 

People can say show me the word trinity anywhere in the Bible and show me the apostles saying Father, Son, and Holy Spirit, same type of dumb arguments that Muslims approach me with.

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3 minutes ago, Mishael said:

People can say show me the word trinity anywhere in the Bible and show me the apostles saying Father, Son, and Holy Spirit, same type of dumb arguments that Muslims approach me with.

I know the word trinity is no where found in Scripture, but the word "Godhead is mentioned three times.

Acts 17:29, Forasmuch then as we are the offspring of God, we ought not to think that the Godhead is like unto gold, or silver, or stone, graven by art and man's device.

Romans 1:20, For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:

Colossians 2:9, For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.

Don't worry about what the apostles said or did not say regarding the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit, Christ said Father, Son, and Holy Spirit

Matthew 28:19, Go ye therefore, and teach2 all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:

[Mishael]

1 minute ago, HAZARD said:

I know the word trinity is no where found in Scripture, but the word "Godhead is mentioned three times.

Acts 17:29, Forasmuch then as we are the offspring of God, we ought not to think that the Godhead is like unto gold, or silver, or stone, graven by art and man's device.

Romans 1:20, For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:

Colossians 2:9, For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.

Don't worry about what the apostles said or did not say regarding the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit, Christ said Father, Son, and Holy Spirit

Matthew 28:19, Go ye therefore, and teach2 all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:

Just as birth of Jesus was mentioned as a great event in the Bible and was celebrated by the angels as you can see above. The word might not be there however the doctrine of Christmas is in the Bible just as the Trinity is.

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6 minutes ago, Mishael said:

Just as birth of Jesus was mentioned as a great event in the Bible and was celebrated by the angels as you can see above. The word might not be there however the doctrine of Christmas is in the Bible just as the Trinity is.

The birth of Jesus certainly was a great event, but no where in Scripture are we commanded to celebrate this day, and especially not on a pagan holy day.