Isaiah 29:1-13

[GeorgeTwo]

Isaiah 29:

3  I will encamp against you all around; 
   I will encircle you with towers 
   and set up my siege works against you. 
4  Brought low, you will speak from the ground; 
   your speech will mumble out of the dust. 
   Your voice will come ghostlike from the earth; 
   out of the dust your speech will whisper. 

 9  Be stunned and amazed, blind yourselves and be sightless; 
    be drunk, but not from wine, stagger, but not from beer. 
10  The LORD has brought over you a deep sleep: 
    He has sealed your eyes, the prophets; 
    he has covered your heads, the seers. 
11  For you this whole vision is nothing but words sealed in a scroll. 
    And if you give the scroll to someone who can read, and say to him, 
    "Read this, please," he will answer, "I can't; it is sealed." 
12  Or if you give the scroll to someone who cannot read, and say, 
    "Read this, please," he will answer, "I don't know how to read." 
13  The Lord says: "These people come near to me with their mouth 
    and honor me with their lips, but their hearts are far from me. 
    Their worship of me is made up only of rules taught by men. 

Could someone explain what is going on here?

Thanks.

 

[GeorgeTwo]

1 hour ago, GeorgeTwo said:

Isaiah 29:

3  I will encamp against you all around; 
   I will encircle you with towers 
   and set up my siege works against you. 
4  Brought low, you will speak from the ground; 
   your speech will mumble out of the dust. 
   Your voice will come ghostlike from the earth; 
   out of the dust your speech will whisper. 

 9  Be stunned and amazed, blind yourselves and be sightless; 
    be drunk, but not from wine, stagger, but not from beer. 
10  The LORD has brought over you a deep sleep: 
    He has sealed your eyes, the prophets; 
    he has covered your heads, the seers. 
11  For you this whole vision is nothing but words sealed in a scroll. 
    And if you give the scroll to someone who can read, and say to him, 
    "Read this, please," he will answer, "I can't; it is sealed." 
12  Or if you give the scroll to someone who cannot read, and say, 
    "Read this, please," he will answer, "I don't know how to read." 
13  The Lord says: "These people come near to me with their mouth 
    and honor me with their lips, but their hearts are far from me. 
    Their worship of me is made up only of rules taught by men. 

Could someone explain what is going on here?

Thanks.

God is punishing Israel.

As part of the punishment we read that God will also take away the ability to read (understand) the holy word because they have disobeyed it for so long. In particular, verse 10 states clearly that the prophets and seers themselves will be put to sleep and no longer receive revelation from the LORD.

Many Muslims believe verse number 12 refers to Muhammad because Muslims believe Muhammad could not read.

Comments are welcome.

Thanks.

 

 

 

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Believers whose lives dont line up with the word, quench the Spirit in their lives.

Teachers who 'lord it over', 1Peter 5, the flock for prestige and cash, quench the Spirit.

The logos, written word, ink anf paper, is all they have. The rhema, spiritually alive word of God is absent, quenched. No anointing, no presence of God and His blessing. 

This is why so much foolishness, error, and heresy is able to fill the void. Fleshly minds controlling the agenda, the dogma. Traditions of men quickly taking hold for 'gain' sake. Corrupting (peddling) the word of God for self interests and profit.

Now we have new age, sodomy, islam, popery worship, one world religion push, being infused into many 'salvation' preaching denoms.

Not just the avarice and ego components any longer. What was that about the 'love of mammon' leads to what? All manner of evil. Lo and behold! Here we are! 

The best disinfectant? A Holy Spirit inspired REFORM-ation!

Revival is chaos at best without reform. Otherwise the 'church' ends up going right back into 'business as usual.'

Dont pray for revival. Pray for reformation. All revivals, so called, always peter out leaving the folks empty and impotent. 

Goosebumps are NOT enough. We need to start doing things God's way! 

 

 

 

 

Edited April 23, 2018 by ejected

[Willa]

Rom 11:1  I ask, then, has God rejected his people? By no means! For I myself am an Israelite, a descendant of Abraham, a member of the tribe of Benjamin.

Rom 11:2  God has not rejected his people whom he foreknew. Do you not know what the Scripture says of Elijah, how he appeals to God against Israel?

Rom 11:3  "Lord, they have killed your prophets, they have demolished your altars, and I alone am left, and they seek my life."

Rom 11:4  But what is God's reply to him? "I have kept for myself seven thousand men who have not bowed the knee to Baal."

Rom 11:5  So too at the present time there is a remnant, chosen by grace.

Rom 11:6  But if it is by grace, it is no longer on the basis of works; otherwise grace would no longer be grace.

Rom 11:7  What then? Israel failed to obtain what it was seeking. The elect obtained it, but the rest were hardened,

Rom 11:8  as it is written, "God gave them a spirit of stupor, eyes that would not see and ears that would not hear, down to this very day."

 

This has nothing to do with Mohammed who was deceived by Satan an angel of light, and who turned away from the true light of the Gospel.

 

Rev 5:1  Then I saw in the right hand of him who was seated on the throne a scroll written within and on the back, sealed with seven seals.

Rev 5:2  And I saw a mighty angel proclaiming with a loud voice, "Who is worthy to open the scroll and break its seals?"

Rev 5:3  And no one in heaven or on earth or under the earth was able to open the scroll or to look into it,

Rev 5:4  and I began to weep loudly because no one was found worthy to open the scroll or to look into it.

Rev 5:5  And one of the elders said to me, "Weep no more; behold, the Lion of the tribe of Judah, the Root of David, has conquered, so that he can open the scroll and its seven seals."

Rev 5:6  And between the throne and the four living creatures and among the elders I saw a Lamb standing, as though it had been slain, with seven horns and with seven eyes, which are the seven spirits of God sent out into all the earth.

Rev 5:7  And he went and took the scroll from the right hand of him who was seated on the throne.

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On 4/23/2018 at 11:28 AM, Yowm said:

...and Reform without Revival is simply rearranging dead leaves.

You need both.

I submit that if we lined up with the word, revival would be a given. 

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On 4/24/2018 at 5:09 PM, Yowm said:

Provided God granted conviction of our sins and repentance.

Which would be part of lining up with the word.

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On 4/26/2018 at 4:04 PM, Yowm said:

Yes, His Word and His Spirit...both.

Agreed! If only. Hope springs eternal.