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Definition of a cult: people who teach the wrong Jesus.

Definition of heresy: teaching about the right Jesus the wrong way.

I felt lead to ask Pastor Tommy (who recently departed a major denomination and is starting his own Church) if he just wanted to open another local chapter of the global Church organization founded on the traditions of men... or does he want to change the world?

Jesus said go forth from Jerusalem to Judea and Samaria and to the uttermost parts of... what?

For God so loved the What? that he have his only begotten Son...

We get so complacent and willing to think so small, and to contain our "religion" within the walls and confines of the Church building...

We forget all about how God intended the Gospel to spread like wildfire through every generation... we are the infectious plague to the lost world who hates God (and us). At least we are supposed to be.  

 

 

 

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On 4/24/2018 at 12:18 AM, JohnD said:

Definition of a cult: people who teach the wrong Jesus.

Definition of heresy: teaching about the right Jesus the wrong way.

I felt lead to ask Pastor Tommy (who recently departed a major denomination and is starting his own Church) if he just wanted to open another local chapter of the global Church organization founded on the traditions of men... or does he want to change the world?

Jesus said go forth from Jerusalem to Judea and Samaria and to the uttermost parts of... what?

For God so loved the What? that he have his only begotten Son...

We get so complacent and willing to think so small, and to contain our "religion" within the walls and confines of the Church building...

We forget all about how God intended the Gospel to spread like wildfire through every generation... we are the infectious plague to the lost world who hates God (and us). At least we are supposed to be.  

 

 

 

The gospel did spread like wildfire in the first century. However, from then till now, for the most part, the best we have accomplished was an occasional outbreak of flickering flames rises up in a region where revival occurs, only to die back down to something more resembling smoking wet leaves in the back yard.  But as to a full fledged harvest that the Bible speaks of before the end, we have not yet seen it..... yet. 

Christianity, in any areas where prosperity reigns at least, is on the decline. Why? We cannot compete with the spirit of the world. We lack realness. We have just enough of  Christian truth to convince us we are fine and now have need of nothing, which prevents us from catching the real thing. But going-through-the-motions smoldering is not fire. 

What is it going to take to see a real harvest? The return of a Christianity that makes men exclaim “Behold how they love one another!” Leonard Ravenhill, famed British evangelist who is now with the Lord, said that you never have to advertise a fire. It can be three in the morning, and the streets will be lined with gawkers. 

We need a reality check. The world simply does not want what we are peddling. 90 minute once-a-week church services, with no passion, holding fast to a belief that victory over the world, the flesh or the devil is impossible in this life. We are by and large devoid of real contagious joy, lack passion for souls because “we have ours, so take us home,Lord!” We are Laodecia 2.0. but boy, does hearing  that get our blood boiling.

 We are salt that has lost its savor, and until we get sick of our old carnal natures ruling over us, and cry  out to God to set us free indeed as HE Defined it,  we can try all we want to change the world, but in the end, we will settle back down and sigh “Smoke is better.....” because we have rested content with a God who does not have the power to actually change us

A fire IS coming. The church is not going to go out holding on by our finger nails, not by a long shot. Our God did not plant His church in power and victory, only to have to come rescue us as the compromised overcome. We will all, every single one of us who are true sheep, awaken and put on our new natures and testify that we are strangers and pilgrims.... sojourners.... and citizens of Heaven, not this earth.

And when the world sees the church awaken, and actually live what we  preach, they will no longer look at is with disdain or see is as hypocrites, and God sanctifies us right before their eyes, they will see us in a whole new light. Either they will fear and hate us, or they will join us. There will be no middle ground. 

We are entering the valley of decision, and it will start with us  in His church. 

Blessings,

Gideon

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You need to take a serious look at what is happening in China and even Iran and the middle east as a whole.....

 

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1 hour ago, Gideon said:

The gospel did spread like wildfire in the first century. However, from then till now, for the most part, the best we have accomplished was an occasional outbreak of flickering flames rises up in a region where revival occurs, only to die back down to something more resembling smoking wet leaves in the back yard.  But as to a full fledged harvest that the Bible speaks of before the end, we have not yet seen it..... yet. 

Christianity, in any areas where prosperity reigns at least, is on the decline. Why? We cannot compete with the spirit of the world. We lack realness. We have just enough of  Christian truth to convince us we are fine and now have need of nothing, which prevents us from catching the real thing. But going-through-the-motions smoldering is not fire. 

What is it going to take to see a real harvest? The return of a Christianity that makes men exclaim “Behold how they love one another!” Leonard Ravenhill, famed British evangelist who is now with the Lord, said that you never have to advertise a fire. It can be three in the morning, and the streets will be lined with gawkers. 

We need a reality check. The world simply does not want what we are peddling. 90 minute once-a-week church services, with no passion, holding fast to a belief that victory over the world, the flesh or the devil is impossible in this life. We are by and large devoid of real contagious joy, lack passion for souls because “we have ours, so take us home,Lord!” We are Laodecia 2.0. but boy, does hearing  that get our blood boiling.

 We are salt that has lost its savor, and until we get sick of our old carnal natures ruling over us, and cry  out to God to set us free indeed as HE Defined it,  we can try all we want to change the world, but in the end, we will settle back down and sigh “Smoke is better.....” because we have rested content with a God who does not have the power to actually change us

A fire IS coming. The church is not going to go out holding on by our finger nails, not by a long shot. Our God did not plant His church in power and victory, only to have to come rescue us as the compromised overcome. We will all, every single one of us who are true sheep, awaken and put on our new natures and testify that we are strangers and pilgrims.... sojourners.... and citizens of Heaven, not this earth.

And when the world sees the church awaken, and actually live what we  preach, they will no longer look at is with disdain or see is as hypocrites, and God sanctifies us right before their eyes, they will see us in a whole new light. Either they will fear and hate us, or they will join us. There will be no middle ground. 

We are entering the valley of decision, and it will start with us  in His church. 

Blessings,

Gideon

And when the world sees the church awaken, and actually live what we  preach, they will no longer look at is with disdain or see is as hypocrites,

 

FOR ALL WHO LIVE GODLY will suffer persecution .  

Marvel not if the world hates you , know it hated me first .

The true church IS ALREADY awake .   and its hated .   but souls are being won .   

IF the salt HAS lost its flavor , THEN IT aint even fit for the dung hill.    HAVE salt IN Yourselves .    

IF the salt has lost its flavor , and the old carnal nature is ruling over us ,   THEN WE DONT KNOW HIM , WE AINT SAVED , AND this is why DIRE CORRECTOIN and the

true gospel much be preached now .     Why wait for the morrow,    IF one dies tonight waiting for this BIG END time awakening some are preaching

TOO LATE for them , AINT IT .     SEE why we need to be focused ON TODAY .    The rains already flowing , the showers of the SPIRIT already available .

Let a man feel comfy in his error ,   its not a good message .   We gonna SEE, needs to be turned into the message of WE SEE and thus WE DO .

 

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36 minutes ago, other one said:

You need to take a serious look at what is happening in China and even Iran and the middle east as a whole.....

 

The buffalo has spoken .   and when two thousand pounds of fury and horns does move about ,    my advice ,   get out its way .

 

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2 hours ago, frienduff thaylorde said:

And when the world sees the church awaken, and actually live what we  preach, they will no longer look at is with disdain or see is as hypocrites,

 

FOR ALL WHO LIVE GODLY will suffer persecution .  

Marvel not if the world hates you , know it hated me first .

The true church IS ALREADY awake .   and its hated .   but souls are being won .   

IF the salt HAS lost its flavor , THEN IT aint even fit for the dung hill.    HAVE salt IN Yourselves .    

IF the salt has lost its flavor , and the old carnal nature is ruling over us ,   THEN WE DONT KNOW HIM , WE AINT SAVED , AND this is why DIRE CORRECTOIN and the

true gospel much be preached now .     Why wait for the morrow,    IF one dies tonight waiting for this BIG END time awakening some are preaching

TOO LATE for them , AINT IT .     SEE why we need to be focused ON TODAY .    The rains already flowing , the showers of the SPIRIT already available .

Let a man feel comfy in his error ,   its not a good message .   We gonna SEE, needs to be turned into the message of WE SEE and thus WE DO .

 

 

2 hours ago, frienduff thaylorde said:

And when the world sees the church awaken, and actually live what we  preach, they will no longer look at is with disdain or see is as hypocrites,

 

FOR ALL WHO LIVE GODLY will suffer persecution .  

Marvel not if the world hates you , know it hated me first .

The true church IS ALREADY awake .   and its hated .   but souls are being won .   

IF the salt HAS lost its flavor , THEN IT aint even fit for the dung hill.    HAVE salt IN Yourselves .    

IF the salt has lost its flavor , and the old carnal nature is ruling over us ,   THEN WE DONT KNOW HIM , WE AINT SAVED , AND this is why DIRE CORRECTOIN and the

true gospel much be preached now .     Why wait for the morrow,    IF one dies tonight waiting for this BIG END time awakening some are preaching

TOO LATE for them , AINT IT .     SEE why we need to be focused ON TODAY .    The rains already flowing , the showers of the SPIRIT already available .

Let a man feel comfy in his error ,   its not a good message .   We gonna SEE, needs to be turned into the message of WE SEE and thus WE DO .

 

I disagree with you. We as the 21st Century church are asleep at the wheel, at least here in the West. And what a shame it is to try to hide in the shadow of what God is doing in China and other countries, when we ourselves see nothing wtong with our Sunday shallowness.  

We have a form of godliness, but deny the power of God that promises to make us holy, godly children. For many true sheep, we have been led into pastures that cannot support overflowing life. If a man is still ruled by his lower nature, do you think he is ready to meet the Lord, when the standard is “Let all who name the name of the Lord depart from iniquity.”? I do not. 

By and large, most do not even believe real victory is possible in this life, so why spend time and effort seeking it? How many brothers and sisters do you know who are actually running their race as if there is only one prize? Where everything that the world has to offer is seen as a distraction and considered as DUNG? Be honest. Are the vast majority of God’s own truly a people where the world does not have the bulk of their attention, where their   burden for souls is real, where they are actually possessing their vessels in sanctification and honor? 

C’mon, brother, they do not walk there because they do not believe it possible... or necessary. They do not know how because our leaders do not teach them for they are blinded themselves to their need.  Multitudes of Christians have fled to the error of a grace that winks at sin simply because the only alternative they see is people telling them that they javecto obey  so TRY HARDER.

You and others seem to have a real issue with my sharing on a future awakening. For those who KNOW they need a physician, that their hearts are anything but pure, there is no need to wait. They can be free tonight, simply by believing, truly claiming  that Christ’s death was also their death  and this, they can reckon themselves dead to sin and alive to Him. Any who is broken and hungry and desperate for the “free indeed” Jesus spoke of can right now clothe themselves with their new nature and finally stand up to the devil no matter the temptation. Do you know why? Because only our new natures can hold up shields of faith that work every time.

We are the definition of Laodecia, and like them to a tee, we too refuse to admit we need anything. Yet, we dare blind to the fact that we do  not love God with ALL of our hearts, we certainly do not love others with the same measure that we love ourselves, we are tainted with sins but hide in Romans 7 thinking that makes it all ok. The only problem is.... Paul hated his sin and longed to be delivered, no matter  the cost.

Do we not get it?  The world is not impressed  with our ‘Christian religion’. True seekers want LIFE. They want to be able to stare down the devil, no matter the temptation , even if it is heroin or alcohol or any other addictive sin, no matter how strong. And what do we offer them? A pat on the back and an “I am praying for you”  when it never crosses our minds something is amiss if Christ can’t set free the man or woman who made one critical mistake and this cannot be rescued. That is sheer unbelief, but we cannot admit to it. 

Have we given them the answer we need? Listen. We say the answer for the drug addict is Jesus, and yet we do not believe He can set us free from jealousy, cigarettes  or a bad temper?? Really? We have failed them, for we have been hypocrites, unable to see that we ourselves have been healed only slightly. We say ‘peace, peace’,we draw near Him with our lips, but we have precious little peace and refuse to acknowledge our hearts are far from Him. All that has to change, and will, before the Lord returns. 

For those who stand fast, dig  in their heels and are convinced  that they are ready for eternity, and have need of nothing, despite sin in their lives and hearts that love the world far more than they should, the awakening IS a future event. And those who are truly the elect, even though they may raise cane now about the unscripturalness of some ‘future’ awakening, will themselves be swept up into true victory and overflowing joy before the Lord returns. The truth is, for  some, only then will they look back at what they believed was the best God could do, and shame will overtake them at their contentment without godly hearts. But praise God, He will wipe away even those tears.

I truly believe the next move of God will come outside what we consider “fertile ground”. Sex addicts, alcoholics, the cast offs of society, druggies, these people know they need a deliverer. They know that unless they have a miracle, they are doomed. These are those that we never see in our churches, because who wants  a bunch of smelly, unkept, homeless vagrants and people with sins that “go before them” spoiling our nice services, right? Yet, some well dressed ‘normal’ people with socially acceptable sins, sins that follow behind them, will be welcomed with open arms and fit right in. Do you see anything wrong yet strangely familiar with this picture? It is a replay of what Jesus faced in His three years on earth. 

May God open our eyes by breaking our hearts. 

Blessings, 

Gideon

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9 hours ago, other one said:

You need to take a serious look at what is happening in China and even Iran and the middle east as a whole.....

 

My daughter did missionary in Africa, and said where she was they were so hungry for the word, and so joyful receiving it, like little children. And she was so disappointed coming home where there is so little enthusiasm.

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4 hours ago, Gary Lee said:

My daughter did missionary in Africa, and said where she was they were so hungry for the word, and so joyful receiving it, like little children. And she was so disappointed coming home where there is so little enthusiasm.

I attend a Nazarene Church and our churches have missionaries in 162 countries....   so don't put us among that group  LoL....

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On 4/26/2018 at 11:13 PM, Yowm said:

Gideon, it would serve your case better if you would provide scriptural proof regarding a huge end time strong and thriving Church.

 I will stare with you the verses that the Lord has showed me that allude to this. If you are looking for one specific verse talking about an awakening right before the end that will also trigger the great falling away, it is found in the parable of the 10 virgins.(Matthew25:1)

 Right at the end of this age, ten virgins, five without oil, the tares, and five virgins with oil, the wheat, will be found growing together. Please note that although the latter do possess oil, a type of the Holy Spirit, the oil is unlit. They all are asleep, even the virgins with oil. Then they ALL are awakened. Please note the word. It is not mine. It is not an ‘interpretation’. All awake. But when the virgins without oil awake, and told to light their lamps, they have none...... and leave. Whether this means they leave what we call ‘church’, or the virgins with oil leave it, one way or another, the two part company. The wheat and the tares that have grown together for over 1900 years, are finally separated. This is the valley of decision. (Joel3:14)

This alone will cause an upturn in purity of the church, just to finally be purely wheat. But something else happens. Something dramatic. You know the fire that sat on the 120 on the day of Pentecost? It happens again, glory to God! This ties in with Ezekiel 37, the valley of dry bones. At the end, the rattling bones finally hear the words ‘Live, bones, live’ and life...God’s life, pours in. We who are wheat are told to light our lamps.

The Lord has specifically told me that this is His children finally mixing the blood of the lamb with the words of their testimony. (Revelation 12:11) They will finally understand what Jesus meant by being born again, or born from above. We will finally understand that the old us really did die when Jesus died, and when Jesus rose to newness of life, so DID we! And when they do so, just as foretold, they overcome all that once made them defeated saints. 

Whether we believe it now or not,  what happened on the day of Pentecost will happen again. The church will be restored to the exact same life as those blessed saints in the early church. They received the former rain, we will enjoy the latter rain. And as they were persecuted so will we be. But we will not be overcome. The world, the flesh and the devil will be under our feet..... not theoretically, but for real. And likewise, our holiness will not be positional only, but real, very very real.

Now, this ties in with both Ezekiel 36 and Joel 2 where God will restore that which the cankerworm has eaten. We, as His children, satisfied with unlit oil, have turned a relationship with Christ that fills us with fruits of His nature, into a religion where we think we are walking pleasing to God, but do not realize that the world simply sees through our positional holiness and calls us hypocrites. All that will change before the end. God says that the world will finally know that He is the Lord, when He shall be sanctified IN US, before their very eyes. (Ezekiel 36:23) What God does with His church will be visible for all the world to see...... and it will be undeniable. 

Finally, the parable of the worldly saints in the final generation. This is found in Luke 14. What do we find? His own people who have been exhorted to stay prepared for they do not know when the master will return, are found loving the world. They are not eternally minded at all. So they all tell the mater’s messenger their excuses as to why they cannot come at the moment. This is what happens....

“21The servant returned and reported all this to his master. Then the owner of the house became angry and said to his servant, ‘Go out quickly into the streets and alleys of the city, and bring in the poor, the crippled, the blind, and the lame.’ 22‘Sir, theservant replied, ‘what you ordered has been done, and there is still room.’ 23So the master told his servant, ‘Go out to the highways and the hedges and compel them to come in, so that my house will be full”

You ask why I believe there will be a worldwide awakening? Do you read what I read? God wants His house FULL. If those that were called would not turn back to God when the awakening happens, but chose this world as their heart’s treasure, God will bypass them and go to the offscouring of the world, those who need the Great Physician.... and KNOW it. Yet still, there is more room. Our God will then send His messengers out again and tells them to COMPEL them to come in. He will not return until ALL in the world see real Christians walking in the Lord... or in truth, the real Jesus walking in us.... with us DEAD. 

 God does not want any to perish. Is our heart God’s heart? Why is there such a resistance to the thought that Satan can have a last day revival but it will be impossible for God to awaken His own? Are we that content, yet with precious little fruit, that we think the church is actually ready to be taken out of here? Do we not read God’s words to the church at Sardis?

3Remember, then, what you have received and heard. Keep it and repent. If you do not wake up, I will come like a thief, and you will not know the hour when I will come upon you. 4But you do have a few people in Sardis who have not soiled theirgarments, and because they are worthy,they will walk with Me in white. 5Like them, the one who is victorious will be clothed in white garments.

Revelation 3:3-5

Can we not see. Who will walk with Him? Those who are worthy! And what makes us worthy? Putting on our robes of righteousness.... our new natures. 

Brother, I bear no animosity to your resistance. I love you and so want you and all here to walk in all God has for us. What I share is not MY message. He is the one who gave it to me to share. In myself, I have lived a live far less perfect than  any here. “Less perfect”  is being overly kind, lol. 

Why did He choose to use me? Like with Saul turned into Paul, simply to demonstrate that if God can change me, He can do the same for any who will humble themselves and seek Him for the faith to believe that they truly are new creatures and start to hold up their shields of faith. And when they do, to their amazement, they will discover that God meant what He said that we who will walk in the latter rain will overcome every enemy, every obstacle, because as powerful, as wonderful as the former rain was in the book of Acts, the latter rain shall be GREATER!

What God has for us is mindblowingly  wonderful. But there is one thing required of us. One thing.

We must admit to Him and admit to ourselves...... that we need it

Many blessings, brother

Gideon

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1 hour ago, Gideon said:

 I will stare with you the verses that the Lord has showed me that allude to this. If you are looking for one specific verse talking about an awakening right before the end that will also trigger the great falling away, it is found in the parable of the 10 virgins.(Matthew25:1)

 Right at the end of this age, ten virgins, five without oil, the tares, and five virgins with oil, the wheat, will be found growing together. Please note that although the latter do possess oil, a type of the Holy Spirit, the oil is unlit. They all are asleep, even the virgins with oil. Then they ALL are awakened. Please note the word. It is not mine. It is not an ‘interpretation’. All awake. But when the virgins without oil awake, and told to light their lamps, they have none...... and leave. Whether this means they leave what we call ‘church’, or the virgins with oil leave it, one way or another, the two part company. The wheat and the tares that have grown together for over 1900 years, are finally separated. This is the valley of decision. (Joel3:14)

This alone will cause an upturn in purity of the church, just to finally be purely wheat. But something else happens. Something dramatic. You know the fire that sat on the 120 on the day of Pentecost? It happens again, glory to God! This ties in with Ezekiel 37, the valley of dry bones. At the end, the rattling bones finally hear the words ‘Live, bones, live’ and life...God’s life, pours in. We who are wheat are told to light our lamps.

The Lord has specifically told me that this is His children finally mixing the blood of the lamb with the words of their testimony. (Revelation 12:11) They will finally understand what Jesus meant by being born again, or born from above. We will finally understand that the old us really did die when Jesus died, and when Jesus rose to newness of life, so DID we! And when they do so, just as foretold, they overcome all that once made them defeated saints. 

Whether we believe it now or not,  what happened on the day of Pentecost will happen again. The church will be restored to the exact same life as those blessed saints in the early church. They received the former rain, we will enjoy the latter rain. And as they were persecuted so will we be. But we will not be overcome. The world, the flesh and the devil will be under our feet..... not theoretically, but for real. And likewise, our holiness will not be positional only, but real, very very real.

Now, this ties in with both Ezekiel 36 and Joel 2 where God will restore that which the cankerworm has eaten. We, as His children, satisfied with unlit oil, have turned a relationship with Christ that fills us with fruits of His nature, into a religion where we think we are walking pleasing to God, but do not realize that the world simply sees through our positional holiness and calls us hypocrites. All that will change before the end. God says that the world will finally know that He is the Lord, when He shall be sanctified IN US, before their very eyes. (Ezekiel 36:23) What God does with His church will be visible for all the world to see...... and it will be undeniable. 

Finally, the parable of the worldly saints in the final generation. This is found in Luke 14. What do we find? His own people who have been exhorted to stay prepared for they do not know when the master will return, are found loving the world. They are not eternally minded at all. So they all tell the mater’s messenger their excuses as to why they cannot come at the moment. This is what happens....

“21The servant returned and reported all this to his master. Then the owner of the house became angry and said to his servant, ‘Go out quickly into the streets and alleys of the city, and bring in the poor, the crippled, the blind, and the lame.’ 22‘Sir, theservant replied, ‘what you ordered has been done, and there is still room.’ 23So the master told his servant, ‘Go out to the highways and the hedges and compel them to come in, so that my house will be full”

You ask why I believe there will be a worldwide awakening? Do you read what I read? God wants His house FULL. If those that were called would not turn back to God when the awakening happens, but chose this world as their heart’s treasure, God will bypass them and go to the offscouring of the world, those who need the Great Physician.... and KNOW it. Yet still, there is more room. Our God will then send His messengers out again and tells them to COMPEL them to come in. He will not return until ALL in the world see real Christians walking in the Lord... or in truth, the real Jesus walking in us.... with us DEAD. 

 God does not want any to perish. Is our heart God’s heart? Why is there such a resistance to the thought that Satan can have a last day revival but it will be impossible for God to awaken His own? Are we that content, yet with precious little fruit, that we think the church is actually ready to be taken out of here? Do we not read God’s words to the church at Sardis?

3Remember, then, what you have received and heard. Keep it and repent. If you do not wake up, I will come like a thief, and you will not know the hour when I will come upon you. 4But you do have a few people in Sardis who have not soiled theirgarments, and because they are worthy,they will walk with Me in white. 5Like them, the one who is victorious will be clothed in white garments.

Revelation 3:3-5

Can we not see. Who will walk with Him? Those who are worthy! And what makes us worthy? Putting on our robes of righteousness.... our new natures. 

Brother, I bear no animosity to your resistance. I love you and so want you and all here to walk in all God has for us. What I share is not MY message. He is the one who gave it to me to share. In myself, I have lived a live far less perfect than  any here. “Less perfect”  is being overly kind, lol. 

Why did He choose to use me? Like with Saul turned into Paul, simply to demonstrate that if God can change me, He can do the same for any who will humble themselves and seek Him for the faith to believe that they truly are new creatures and start to hold up their shields of faith. And when they do, to their amazement, they will discover that God meant what He said that we who will walk in the latter rain will overcome every enemy, every obstacle, because as powerful, as wonderful as the former rain was in the book of Acts, the latter rain shall be GREATER!

What God has for us is mindblowingly  wonderful. But there is one thing required of us. One thing.

We must admit to Him and admit to ourselves...... that we need it

Many blessings, brother

Gideon

Gideon.  this is the thing .   That parable of the ten virgins is simply a parable saying HOW we must keep the oil so the lamps DONT GO OUT .

Five were wise , FIVE FOOLISH.    and it shows us the Day of the LORD comes at a time known ONLY to GOD and thus BE READY , HAVE THE OIL

so the lamps don't go out .     Does anyone ever read the end of the parable .  the FIVE don't  make it ,  even after going out to those who sell it in the streets

They come back,  AND THAT DOOR NEVER OPENED.    THIS has nothing to do with an end time awakening .

Bring some other scrips that have you believe this ,   so they too can be tested .

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