I've changed my mind. I now believe the "earth" is 6k years old

[DeighAnn]

9 hours ago, FreeGrace said:

No, we don't see them.  Jesus spoke of them.  Obviously He was referring to their immortal souls.

The rich man SAW Abraham and Lazarus.  The rich man having been BURIED was in hell.  He wasn't in his flesh and blood body as that was already decaying and rotting away.  But HE WAS THIRSTY.  

BASIC common sense tells you IN A BODY. 

 

9 hours ago, FreeGrace said:

Seems you still don't understand what the Trinity meant by "in OUR image"

I KNOW there were SONS OF GOD watching the earth being created and

I know there were sons of God CAST TO THE EARTH. 

I know BEFORE they were cast to earth they were in SPIRITUAL BODIES SINCE there wasn't even an earth before that time.  

And I know Jesus LOOKS EXACTLY like God

and I DON'T.  

And telling me I don't understand DOESN'T TEACH ME ANYTHING, does it?

 

9 hours ago, FreeGrace said:

How many times do I have to explain all this to you?

UP UNTIL YOU SHOW IT WRITTEN,  

by GOD

AND not by you.  I DON'T WANT YOU TO EXPLAIN,

I want you to PRODUCE THE WORDS OF GOD so I can SEE IT WRITTEN MYSELF and so I know IT IS OF GOD

and not just some assumption or conclusion or theory of man that came about by NOT READING it PRECEPT ON PRECEPT but by ADDING or SUBTRACTING...

9 hours ago, FreeGrace said:

Please rephrase the question.

If we went to heaven without a body then why didn't he just say that? instead of explaining how we are raised in a spiritual body?  

Is that better?

 

 

9 hours ago, FreeGrace said:

You're speaking past tense, but the resurrection is still future tense.  So you are still confused on the subject.

THIS resurrection ALREADY TOOK PLACE as the 'last day' for those under the OLD Covenant had come, with the blood of Christ bringing in the NEW one.  SO it isn't FUTURE, it is past....Jesus the first fruits OF THEM THAT SLEPT.  

 THAT IS WHAT IS WRITTEN.  

 

50Jesus, when he had cried again with a loud voice, yielded up the ghost.

51And, behold, the veil of the temple was rent in twain from the top to the bottom; and the earth did quake, and the rocks rent;

52And the graves were opened; and many bodies of the saints which slept arose,

53And came out of the graves after his resurrection, and went into the holy city, and appeared unto many.

Isn't that what is going to HAPPEN to the DEAD when Christ returns?  Aren't bodies going to RISE UP FROM THE DEAD?   

Why would you consider what is coming a resurrection but NOT WHAT HAS already happened IN THE EXACT SAME WAY* a resurrection?  

*more to the story, this simplified for clarity on the present subject

[DeighAnn]

9 hours ago, FreeGrace said:

I don't follow much of what you say.  I've explained all that many times but you still stick with what you think.

That's the thing.  I THINK what is written, not what is explained.  

I CAN'T FOLLOW what MAN SAYS, I only get it when I READ THE WORDS OF GOD. 

SO give me the WORDS OF GOD and not an 'explanation' and you will see, I will get it super quick.  Is there some reason that you refuse to give me Scripture for what you 'explain'?  

Tell me what you believe and GIVE ME THE VERSES.  If you don't give me verses, I CAN'T understand what you say.  

and SHOW ME where the verses I am putting forth are not saying what I am saying but ARE SAYING something DIFFERENT.


 

 

9 hours ago, FreeGrace said:

Prove it from Scripture.  Physical death is separation of soul and body, per James 2:26.

AGAIN the body and breath become a soul.  There are two bodies.  Have you 'worn' the earth one while here on earth?   

Can MAN KILL the SPIRITUAL BODY?   

NO, only GOD can kill the SPIRITUAL BODY and He will only do that AFTER JUDGMENT, and that is ONLY in the lake of fire.  

And I agree, the BODY APART FROM THE SPIRIT is dead hence the FLESH AND BLOOD body dead.

IF our SPIRIT were to ALSO LEAVE OUR spiritual body then THAT BODY WOULD BE DEAD ALSO, PROVING WE CAN'T LEAVE OUR SPIRITUAL BODY and it REMAIN ALIVE.  

Man CAN'T kill the spiritual body.  ONLY GOD and only in the LOF.  

 

9 hours ago, FreeGrace said:

 I don't believe what ISN'T written.

THANK GOD.  Neither do I.  

But by now you read it a couple times in my other replies

 

9 hours ago, FreeGrace said:

Prove it then.  They are invisible, and that makes them immaterial.  Bodies are material.  I guess you don't know the difference.

It's getting scary.  

Do you REMEMBER the two angels going into Sodom?  Do you think those men were LOOKING to 'get to know' SOME AIR?  NO, they were after some STRANGE FLESH.  LOOK UP WHAT STRANGE FLESH IS.  

Do you remember why there was a FLOOD???  Giants didn't come from NO WHERE


They are 'invisible' BECAUSE they are not 'living' in this realm but when they are sent here as messengers THEY ARE SEEN AND FELT and sometimes you might be entertaining an angel and you don't know it.  

What about the angels seen on the tomb?  



Are you sure it's me?  

Do you think when Satan and the angels are cast to the earth, we WONT SEE THEM?

Why do you think women have to KEEP THEIR HEADS COVERED?

[DeighAnn]

9 hours ago, FreeGrace said:

James 2:26 is PROOF that souls LEAVE bodies at death.  Or maybe James was confused rather than you??

to be clear

they leave the BODY THAT MAN CAN KILL, not the spiritual one.  

[Michael37]

This thread seems to have wandered off topic.

Unless there is anything more relating to the OP please start a new thread.

[Tristen]

9 hours ago, FreeGrace said:

Is that your only defense for such an irrational statement?

It is not my job to provide a defense for your repeated dishonesty.

[Michael37]

Time called on this thread.