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On 5/4/2018 at 8:30 PM, KiwiChristian said:

If the Bible is a Catholic book, how can Catholics account for the passage, "A bishop then, must be blameless, married but once, reserved, prudent, of good conduct, hospitable, a teacher...He should rule well his own household, keeping his children under control and perfectly respectful. For if a man cannot rule his own household, how is he to take care of the church of God?" (1 Tim. 3:2, 4-5). The Catholic Church does not allow a bishop to marry, while the Bible says "he must be married." Furthermore, if the Bible is a Catholic book, why did they write the Bible as it is, and feel the necessity of putting footnotes at the bottom of the page in effort to keep their subject from believing what is in the text?
 

If the Bible is a Catholic book,
1. Why does it condemn clerical dress? (Matt. 23:5-6).
2. Why does it teach against the adoration of Mary? (Luke 11:27-28).
3. Why does it show that all Christians are priests? (1 Pet. 2:5,9).
4. Why does it condemn the observance of special days? (Gal. 4:9-11).
5. Why does it teach that all Christians are saints? (1 Cor. 1:2).
6. Why does it condemn the making and adoration of images? (Ex. 20:4-5).

7. Why does it teach that baptism is immersion instead of pouring? (Col. 2:12).
8. Why does it forbid us to address religious leaders as "father"? (Matt. 23:9).
9. Why does it teach that Christ is the only foundation and not the apostle Peter? (1 Cor. 3:11).
10. Why does it teach that there is one mediator instead of many? (1 Tim. 2:5).
11. Why does it teach that a bishop must be a married man? (1 Tim. 3:2, 4-5).

12. Why is it opposed to the primacy of Peter? (Luke 22:24-27).
13. Why does it oppose the idea of purgatory? (Luke 16:26).
14. Why is it completely silent about infant baptism, instrumental music in worship, indulgences, confession to priests, the rosary, the mass, and many other things in the Catholic Church?
 

Now, please my friend, when you reply to this, please stick to just a couple of points per post, then it will be easier to respond to, unless you want to make a VERY long post answering ALL these points in one post, hoping that no-one will take the trouble to address your points.

 

Pick one.

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Roman Catholicism didnt start until 1054, after a schism. What sort of Catholicism are we talking about? Most of the items on your list were not changed until much later in church history, after the split with Orthodoxy etc in 1054, that most of the changes we now recognise took place.

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On 5/4/2018 at 8:30 PM, KiwiChristian said:

If the Bible is a Catholic book, how can Catholics account for the passage, "A bishop then, must be blameless, married but once, reserved, prudent, of good conduct, hospitable, a teacher...He should rule well his own household, keeping his children under control and perfectly respectful. For if a man cannot rule his own household, how is he to take care of the church of God?" (1 Tim. 3:2, 4-5). The Catholic Church does not allow a bishop to marry, while the Bible says "he must be married." Furthermore, if the Bible is a Catholic book, why did they write the Bible as it is, and feel the necessity of putting footnotes at the bottom of the page in effort to keep their subject from believing what is in the text?
 

If the Bible is a Catholic book,
1. Why does it condemn clerical dress? (Matt. 23:5-6).
2. Why does it teach against the adoration of Mary? (Luke 11:27-28).
3. Why does it show that all Christians are priests? (1 Pet. 2:5,9).
4. Why does it condemn the observance of special days? (Gal. 4:9-11).
5. Why does it teach that all Christians are saints? (1 Cor. 1:2).
6. Why does it condemn the making and adoration of images? (Ex. 20:4-5).

7. Why does it teach that baptism is immersion instead of pouring? (Col. 2:12).
8. Why does it forbid us to address religious leaders as "father"? (Matt. 23:9).
9. Why does it teach that Christ is the only foundation and not the apostle Peter? (1 Cor. 3:11).
10. Why does it teach that there is one mediator instead of many? (1 Tim. 2:5).
11. Why does it teach that a bishop must be a married man? (1 Tim. 3:2, 4-5).

12. Why is it opposed to the primacy of Peter? (Luke 22:24-27).
13. Why does it oppose the idea of purgatory? (Luke 16:26).
14. Why is it completely silent about infant baptism, instrumental music in worship, indulgences, confession to priests, the rosary, the mass, and many other things in the Catholic Church?
 

Now, please my friend, when you reply to this, please stick to just a couple of points per post, then it will be easier to respond to, unless you want to make a VERY long post answering ALL these points in one post, hoping that no-one will take the trouble to address your points.

 

The only thing that Romanites have to do with the Canon of 66 books is copy and translation, the Holy Spirit has already written scripture long before that cult existed.

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On 10/2/2018 at 9:57 AM, Mike Mclees said:

The Bible is simply not centered in Catholicism.  

The Bible reflects Catholic teaching and vice versa. 

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I will pick one.

8. Why does it forbid us to address religious leaders as "father"? (Matt. 23:9).

If that is the case then why do we see the term "father" used for those who are not God? 

 

  • Acts 7:2 – St. Stephen calls Jewish leaders “fathers”
  • Acts 21:40, 22:1 – St. Paul calls Jerusalem Jews “fathers”
  • Rom 4:16-17 – Abraham called the father of us all”
  • 1Cor 4:14-15 – I became your father in Christ through gospel
  • 1Tim 1:2 – my true child in our common faith
  • Heb 12:7-9 – we have earthly fathers to discipline us
  • Lk 14:26 – if anyone comes to me without hating his father…
  • 1Thess 2:11 – we treated you as a father treats his children
  • Philem 10 – whose father I became in my imprisonment
  • 1Jn 2:13, 14 – I write to you, fathers, because you know him

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On ‎1‎/‎1‎/‎2019 at 5:55 PM, JMJ said:

I will pick one.

8. Why does it forbid us to address religious leaders as "father"? (Matt. 23:9).

If that is the case then why do we see the term "father" used for those who are not God? 

 

  • Acts 7:2 – St. Stephen calls Jewish leaders “fathers”
  • Acts 21:40, 22:1 – St. Paul calls Jerusalem Jews “fathers”
  • Rom 4:16-17 – Abraham called the father of us all”
  • 1Cor 4:14-15 – I became your father in Christ through gospel
  • 1Tim 1:2 – my true child in our common faith
  • Heb 12:7-9 – we have earthly fathers to discipline us
  • Lk 14:26 – if anyone comes to me without hating his father…
  • 1Thess 2:11 – we treated you as a father treats his children
  • Philem 10 – whose father I became in my imprisonment
  • 1Jn 2:13, 14 – I write to you, fathers, because you know him

Most of these son and Father referring to our earthly father. This is not considered to be a title. Abraham  and church Fathers are not considered titles. However Priests being Called Father is a title just like pope and Cardinals. These can be pride of position such as wearing Robes of office. This is all a religious parade before the world and claiming to be the worlds church and vicars of Christ. All this has been  addressed many times.   

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