gerhard eber Posted May 15, 2018 Group: Nonbeliever Followers: 1 Topic Count: 7 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 195 Content Per Day: 0.04 Reputation: 5 Days Won: 0 Joined: 04/11/2011 Status: Offline Share Posted May 15, 2018 John 19 10 λέγει οὖν αὐτῷ ὁ Πειλᾶτος Ἐμοὶ οὐ λαλεῖς; οὐκ οἶδας Then said Pilate to Jesus, You're not talking to me! Don't you realise Then saith Pilate unto him, Speakest thou not unto me? knowest thou not Toe sê Pilatus vir Jesus: Jy praat nie met my nie! Weet jy nie ὅτι ἐξουσίαν ἔχω ἀπολῦσαί σε καὶ ἐξουσίαν ἔχω σταυρῶσαί σε; that I have the power to let you go, and, to crucify you? that I have power to crucify thee and have power to release thee? dat ek mag het om jou vry te laat, én om jou te kruisig? 11 ἀπεκρίθη Ἰησοῦς Οὐκ εἶχες ἐξουσίαν κατ’ ἐμοῦ οὐδεμίαν εἰ μὴ Answered Jesus, You would not have had power over Me unless Jesus answered, Thou couldest have no power against me, except Jesus het geantwoord: U sou géén mag teen My hê nie tensy ἦν δεδομένον σοι ἄνωθεν διὰ τοῦτο ὁ παραδούς μέ σοι. it was given you from the beginning, by The One Who deliver Me to you; it were given thee from above: Therefore he that delivered me unto thee u gegee van die begin af, deur Die Een wat My oorlewer aan u; Μείζονα ἁμαρτίαν ἔχει. ἐκ τούτου ὁ Πειλᾶτος ἐζήτει ἀπολῦσαι αὐτόν· the greater is your sin! For that reason Pilate tried to release Him. hath the greater sin. ... Thenceforth Pilate sought to release him: des te groter u sonde. 12 Hierom, het Pilatus probeer om Hom los te laat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gerhard eber Posted May 16, 2018 Group: Nonbeliever Followers: 1 Topic Count: 7 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 195 Content Per Day: 0.04 Reputation: 5 Days Won: 0 Joined: 04/11/2011 Status: Offline Author Share Posted May 16, 2018 (edited) On 15/05/2018 at 11:59 PM, Yowm said: “... The man who ·turned me in to you [betrayed me; Caiaphas or perhaps Judas] is guilty of a greater sin.” Jn 19:10-11 This is the usual interpretation given to τοῦτο ὁ παραδούς μέ σοι It couldn't be Caiaphas because Jesus speaks to him; if Jesus meant Caiaphas, He more likely would have used second person, 'you' directly addressing Caiaphas. But Jesus refers to "that one", another person than you, Caiaphas. It couldn't be Judas because Judas was not the one with authority or power to "deliver" Jesus; he "betrayed" him for money with which he was like a slave, bought to do by the priests. It cannot be the priests; they were many - not "The One" - and several times pleaded their lack of power or right to judge Jesus. I believe Jesus meant his heavenly Father, God "above", "from the beginning", who by his Almighty Sovereignty according to the Eternal Council of his Grace predetermined every deed and decision in That Night and Day. Jesus rebuked Pilate for his arrogance, 'Don't you realise (sarcastically) o king of the Jews, I, the mighty governor of the Roman province of Judea, Pilate, can do with you just what may please me?' But Jesus the Only Potentate, standing before and speaking with Pilate the ruler on earth, tells Him that he had no power but that given him by his Father, God "above", "given" Pilate "BY THE ONE..." who here and now and with and "by" ['dia'] his Almighty Power, "delivers Me to you". Then from Jesus the most unsettling words to Pilate because the One he resisted was Jesus' Heavenly Father, '...greater therefore is your sin!' Pilate understood. Realising his own sinfulness against the holiness of Jesus the Son of the Almighty God above with whom he was confronted, his assertiveness evaporated, and very scared he anxiously "thenceforth sought to release him". The difference is who "delivers" Jesus to Pilate, not Judas or anyone else; it is Jesus' Father, "The One ... above" with the "Power to", who delivered Him to Pilate. Jesus would lay down his life with the Power He received from his Father to lay it down with, the same Power Jesus received from his Father to take his Life up again with. Edited May 19, 2018 by gerhard eber Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gerhard eber Posted May 17, 2018 Group: Nonbeliever Followers: 1 Topic Count: 7 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 195 Content Per Day: 0.04 Reputation: 5 Days Won: 0 Joined: 04/11/2011 Status: Offline Author Share Posted May 17, 2018 On 16/05/2018 at 3:40 PM, Yowm said: I quoted the Expanded Bible, they included Caiaphas but I've always taken it as Judas. As far as the quote of yours above goes, regarding God's and man's actions circling the crucifixion, usually the answer is 'both'... Acts 4:27-28 KJV [27] For of a truth against thy holy child Jesus, whom thou hast anointed, both Herod, and Pontius Pilate, with the Gentiles, and the people of Israel, were gathered together, [28] For to do whatsoever thy hand and thy counsel determined before to be done. Very good! "Acts 4:27 For of a truth against thy holy child Jesus, whom thou hast anointed, both Herod, and Pontius Pilate, with the Gentiles, and the people of Israel, were gathered together, [28] For to do whatsoever thy hand and thy counsel determined before to be done." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gerhard eber Posted May 17, 2018 Group: Nonbeliever Followers: 1 Topic Count: 7 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 195 Content Per Day: 0.04 Reputation: 5 Days Won: 0 Joined: 04/11/2011 Status: Offline Author Share Posted May 17, 2018 (edited) Romeine 1:1-5—“Sy Heiligheid deur Opstanding uit die dood” 3περὶ τοῦ υἱοῦ A concerning the Son υἱοῦ αὐτοῦ His Son περὶ τοῦ γενομένου concerning Him-Who-Came / was made ἐκ σπέρματος Δαυῒδ B of the seed of David κατὰ σάρκα according to the flesh 4περὶ τοῦ ὁρισθέντος C concerning The-Declared- υἱοῦ Θεοῦ Son-of-God ἐν Δυνάμει in Power κατὰ Πνεῦμα according to The Spirit περὶ ἁγιωσύνης B concerning His-Holiness ἐξ νεκρῶν The-out-of-the-dead Ἀναστάσεως Resurrected περὶ Ἰησοῦ Χριστοῦ τοῦ A concerning Jesus Christ Κυρίου ἡμῶν our Lord Chiasm 1— Παῦλος δοῦλος Χριστοῦ Ἰησοῦ…κλητòς… 13— ἐστε καὶ ὑμεῖς κλητοὶ Ἰησοῦ Χριστοῦ 2— ἀφωρισμένος εἰς εὐαγγέλιον Θεοῦ 11— εἰς ὑπακοὴν πίστεως 3— Ὃ προεπηγγείλατο 10— δι’ Οὗ ἐλάβομεν χάριν…ὑπὲρ τοῦ ὀνόματος αὐτοῦ 4— διὰ τῶν προφητῶν αὐτοῦ ἐν γραφαῖς ἁγίαις 12— ἐν πᾶσιν τοῖς ἔθνεσιν…ἐν οἷς 5— περὶ τοῦ Υἱοῦ αὐτοῦ 9— (περὶ tou) Ἰησοῦ Χριστοῦ τοῦ Κυρίου ἡμῶν 6— (περὶ) τοῦ γενομένου |ἐκ σπέρματος Δαυεὶδ |κατὰ σάρκα, 8— (περὶ tou) ἁγιωσύνης |ἐξ ἀναστάσεως νεκρῶν, 7— (περὶ) τοῦ ὁρισθέντος |Υἱοῦ Θεοῦ ἐν δυνάμει |κατὰ πνεῦμα 8— (περὶ tou) ἁγιωσύνης |ἐξ ἀναστάσεως νεκρῶν, 6— (περὶ) τοῦ γενομένου |ἐκ σπέρματος Δαυεὶδ |κατὰ σάρκα, 9— (περὶ tou) Ἰησοῦ Χριστοῦ τοῦ Κυρίου ἡμῶν 5— περὶ τοῦ Υἱοῦ αὐτοῦ 10— δι’ οὗ ἐλάβομεν χάριν…ὑπὲρ τοῦ ὀνόματος αὐτοῦ 3— Ὃ προεπηγγείλατο 11— εἰς ὑπακοὴν πίστεως 2— ἀφωρισμένος εἰς εὐαγγέλιον Θεοῦ 12— ἐν πᾶσιν τοῖς ἔθνεσιν…ἐν οἷς 4— διὰ τῶν προφητῶν αὐτοῦ ἐν γραφαῖς ἁγίαις 13— ἐστε καὶ ὑμεῖς κλητοὶ Ἰησοῦ Χριστοῦ. 1— Παῦλος δοῦλος Χριστοῦ Ἰησοῦ…κλητòς In 7- The Holy Spirit in the Full Fellowship of the Trinity, "Concerning Jesus Christ" from death's fast, Isaiah 57-58, "IN BEING RESTED UP AGAIN HIS NAME IS THE MOST HOLY PLACE". Edited May 17, 2018 by gerhard eber Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gerhard eber Posted May 22, 2018 Group: Nonbeliever Followers: 1 Topic Count: 7 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 195 Content Per Day: 0.04 Reputation: 5 Days Won: 0 Joined: 04/11/2011 Status: Offline Author Share Posted May 22, 2018 “Thus saith the High and Lofty One that inhabiteth eternity … “… WHOSE NAME is, The Most Holy Place … “… I dwell in the High and Holy One … “… with Him that is of a contrite and humble spirit— “… I REVIVE the spirit of The Humble One … “… I REST-UP-AGAIN the heart of The Contrite … “… Cast ye up, cast ye up … “… take up out of the way the stumblingblock …** “… inherit my holy mountain … “… He that put His trust in Me … “… shall possess the land … “… for I smote Him … “… I hid Me … “… and was wroth … “… but He endured in his heart undaunted … “… I have looked on his ways … “… and will HEAL HIM … “… I will lead Him (out) again … “… and RESTORE unto Him and to his mourners … “… I create the fruit of His lips … (John 10:18) “ … PEACE TO HIM who was far off … “… but came near again … (Hebrews 13:20) “… I will heal Him again.” **“But the wicked cast up mire and dirt.” Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gerhard eber Posted June 7, 2018 Group: Nonbeliever Followers: 1 Topic Count: 7 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 195 Content Per Day: 0.04 Reputation: 5 Days Won: 0 Joined: 04/11/2011 Status: Offline Author Share Posted June 7, 2018 (edited) Mark 16:9 Is the action implied or the meaning of “risen”, the same as the action or the meaning of “appeared”? No; it is not. Therefore the moment of the relative time is DIFFERENT, and the moment in time of the action to have risen up is PAST and FINISHED – is the ‘Vollendung’ – or state in which Jesus in time-relation, the FOLLOWING “early morning on the First Day of the week, appeared”. Blass Debrunner, § 339, “Die Partizipia hatten ursprünglich keine temporale Funktion, sondern bezeichneten nur die Aktionsart; das zeitliche Verhältnis zum Verbum finitum ergab sich aus dem Zusammenhang. Da nun aber ein die Vollendung ausdrückendes Partiz. oft vor dem Vb. finitum stand und dabei das Verhältnis gewohnheitsmäβig häufig das war, daβ die Vollendung der Handlung des Partiz. vor der Handlung des Vb. finitum lag, verband sich mit dem Partiz. Aor. bis zu einem gewissen Grad die Bedeutung der relativen Vergangenheit… 1. Besonders fehlt dem Partiz. Aor. das Moment der relativen Zeit, wenn seine Handlung mit der des aorischen Vb. finitum identisch ist…” Edited June 7, 2018 by gerhard eber Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gerhard eber Posted July 8, 2018 Group: Nonbeliever Followers: 1 Topic Count: 7 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 195 Content Per Day: 0.04 Reputation: 5 Days Won: 0 Joined: 04/11/2011 Status: Offline Author Share Posted July 8, 2018 But, 1 John 3:5 though reads, "He was MANIFESTED to take away our sins", and that explains, yes, exposes 2 John 7, "Christ IS COME ("manifested") in the flesh" having RAISED / RESURRECTED "FROM" obscurity in death and the grave. Which is PRECISELY what the Word declares in Matthew 28:1, "IN THE FULLNESS AND RIPENESS OF THE SABBATH BEING IN THE VERY HEIGHT OF DAYLIGHT MID-AFTERNOON ... THERE! BEHOLD! came a great earthquake and the angel of the Lord cast the stone from the tomb" ... "WHEN GOD ("MANIFESTING Him") RAISED CHRIST FROM THE DEAD BY THE EXCEEDING GREATNESS OF HIS MIGHTY POWER WHICH HE WROUGHT" "ON the Sabbath", “IN THE END of the Sabbath” having "AVAILED" and "FINISHED", "THE REST OF GOD", with "blessing" and "hallowing The Seventh Day", "Sabbath Rest Day OF THE LORD your GOD". Isaiah 58:10 [10] And if thou draw out thy soul to the hungry, and satisfy the afflicted soul; then shall thy light rise in obscurity, and thy darkness be as the noonday: Isaiah 29:18 [18] And in that day shall the deaf hear the words of the book, and the eyes of the blind shall see out of obscurity, and out of darkness. Wonderful, unbelievable so wonderful, BUT BELIEVED! “Without controversy, great is the Mystery of Godliness (Jesus Christ in Resurrection from the dead): GOD WAS MANIFEST IN THE FLESH, justified in the Spirit (with Power Romans 1:3,4), seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, BELIEVED ON in the (whole) world (universe, creation), RECEIVED UP INTO GLORY (by the Power of his RESURRECTION Philippians 3:10).” God bless Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael37 Posted July 11, 2018 Group: Servant Followers: 21 Topic Count: 241 Topics Per Day: 0.11 Content Count: 6,932 Content Per Day: 3.27 Reputation: 4,864 Days Won: 2 Joined: 07/05/2018 Status: Offline Birthday: 09/23/1954 Share Posted July 11, 2018 On 5/16/2018 at 8:57 PM, gerhard eber said: Then from Jesus the most unsettling words to Pilate because the One he resisted was Jesus' Heavenly Father, '...greater therefore is your sin!' Hi gerhard, According to your theory how was Pilate resisting the will of God? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gerhard eber Posted July 12, 2018 Group: Nonbeliever Followers: 1 Topic Count: 7 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 195 Content Per Day: 0.04 Reputation: 5 Days Won: 0 Joined: 04/11/2011 Status: Offline Author Share Posted July 12, 2018 15 hours ago, Michael37 said: Hi gerhard, According to your theory how was Pilate resisting the will of God? You beforehand do not agree with my '~theory~' which not even I myself can make out. So it beforehand is useless for you to ask me as for me it is to attempt to answer you. Figure your problems out yourself. I am not in this conversation for argument but for confession of faith shared. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gerhard eber Posted July 12, 2018 Group: Nonbeliever Followers: 1 Topic Count: 7 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 195 Content Per Day: 0.04 Reputation: 5 Days Won: 0 Joined: 04/11/2011 Status: Offline Author Share Posted July 12, 2018 'The Lord's Day in the Covenant of Grace' http://www.biblestudents@imaginet.co.za Google cloud All Files 2017 978-0-6399288-0-7 International Standard Book Number Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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