Mike 2 Posted May 23, 2018 Group: Advanced Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 12 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 499 Content Per Day: 0.19 Reputation: 277 Days Won: 0 Joined: 12/06/2016 Status: Offline Share Posted May 23, 2018 28 minutes ago, 4LdKHVCzRDj2 said: This is exactly what people do when resisting the Holy Spirit. "You are My friends if you do whatever I command you." - John 15:14 They love their sins, their own passions and desires, and ignore the Holy Spirit and keep choosing self and never repents but insists on their own ways. "And those who are Christ’s have crucified the flesh with its passions and desires." - Galatians 5:24 It is a matter of choosing: To love darkness or light. "Most assuredly, I say to you, whoever commits sin is a slave of sin. ...Therefore if the Son makes you free, you shall be free indeed." - John 8:34+36 Resisting the Holy Spirit is not the same thing as blaspheming the Holy Spirit. I think you may find it beneficial if you take the time to look at the context of the verses you are quoting. It appears you are taking a lot of them out of context, in that they are not related to "blaspheming" the Holy Spirit. I also think it would be good to look at a definition of the word blaspheme and then look at what you are writing in light of that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest shiloh357 Posted May 23, 2018 Share Posted May 23, 2018 (edited) 16 minutes ago, Mike 2 said: Resisting the Holy Spirit is not the same thing as blaspheming the Holy Spirit. I think you may find it beneficial if you take the time to look at the context of the verses you are quoting. It appears you are taking a lot of them out of context, in that they are not related to "blaspheming" the Holy Spirit. I also think it would be good to look at a definition of the word blaspheme and then look at what you are writing in light of that. No Christian can commit Blasphemy of the Holy Spirit. The ONLY people in the Bible who committed that sin were those who rejected Jesus. "Blasphemy" is slander. It is an attempt to injure the reputation of, in this case, the Holy Spirit. Blasphemy is always intentional. Just like no one lies on accident, no one murders on accident, blasphemy of the Holy Spirit is an intentional, deliberate attempt to injure the Holy Spirit. No Christian is capable of that sin because it is rooted in a rejection of Jesus. The enemies of Jesus KNEW He was casting out demons by the Holy Spirit and they hated Him all the more for it. They intentionally slandered the Holy Spirit by saying that Jesus was casting demons by the power of the prince of demons. Their rejection of Jesus was not based on disbelief, but on hatred of Jesus. They were too wicked to accept Jesus, even though they knew He was the Messiah. Furthermore, it does not apply outside the biblical context when it comes to other spiritual manifestations, and it does not apply to modern healers. The context is only found in connection to the earthly ministry of Jesus. False healers and miracle workers try to intimidate people into silence who question their miracles, with accusations of "blaspheming the Holy Spirit." We are commanded to test the spirits, but false healers don't want to be tested or scrutinized. So they use this sin as a scare tactic to keep people away from fact-checking their claims and testing to see if they are truly of God, or not. Christians have been wrongly frightened into thinking that they have committed that sin and are eternally lost as a result. But we don't find Paul or anyone else warning Christians about this, because Christians cannot commit this sin. It is not possible for someone who believes in and accepts Jesus to commit an intentional act that is rooted in the rejection of Jesus. If someone is worried that they have committed that sin, they can be assured that they have not committed it. In fact, if they had committed that sin, they would be too irretrievably wicked to care. Edited May 23, 2018 by shiloh357 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike 2 Posted May 23, 2018 Group: Advanced Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 12 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 499 Content Per Day: 0.19 Reputation: 277 Days Won: 0 Joined: 12/06/2016 Status: Offline Share Posted May 23, 2018 31 minutes ago, shiloh357 said: No Christian can commit Blasphemy of the Holy Spirit. The ONLY people in the Bible who committed that sin were those who rejected Jesus. "Blasphemy" is slander. It is an attempt to injure the reputation of, in this case, the Holy Spirit. Blasphemy is always intentional. Just like no one lies on accident, no one murders on accident, blasphemy of the Holy Spirit is an intentional, deliberate attempt to injure the Holy Spirit. No Christian is capable of that sin because it is rooted in a rejection of Jesus. The enemies of Jesus KNEW He was casting out demons by the Holy Spirit and they hated Him all the more for it. They intentionally slandered the Holy Spirit by saying that Jesus was casting demons by the power of the prince of demons. Their rejection of Jesus was not based on disbelief, but on hatred of Jesus. They were too wicked to accept Jesus, even though they knew He was the Messiah. Furthermore, it does not apply outside the biblical context when it comes to other spiritual manifestations, and it does not apply to modern healers. The context is only found in connection to the earthly ministry of Jesus. False healers and miracle workers try to intimidate people into silence who question their miracles, with accusations of "blaspheming the Holy Spirit." We are commanded to test the spirits, but false healers don't want to be tested or scrutinized. So they use this sin as a scare tactic to keep people away from fact-checking their claims and testing to see if they are truly of God, or not. Christians have been wrongly frightened into thinking that they have committed that sin and are eternally lost as a result. But we don't find Paul or anyone else warning Christians about this, because Christians cannot commit this sin. It is not possible for someone who believes in and accepts Jesus to commit an intentional act that is rooted in the rejection of Jesus. If someone is worried that they have committed that sin, they can be assured that they have not committed it. In fact, if they had committed that sin, they would be too irretrievably wicked to care. Well said Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pg4Him Posted May 23, 2018 Group: Advanced Member Followers: 3 Topic Count: 6 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 347 Content Per Day: 0.08 Reputation: 370 Days Won: 2 Joined: 08/20/2012 Status: Offline Share Posted May 23, 2018 It’s amazing how much speculation gets added to this story. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike 2 Posted May 23, 2018 Group: Advanced Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 12 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 499 Content Per Day: 0.19 Reputation: 277 Days Won: 0 Joined: 12/06/2016 Status: Offline Share Posted May 23, 2018 6 minutes ago, pg4Him said: It’s amazing how much speculation gets added to this story. What differentiates speculation from exegesis? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest shiloh357 Posted May 23, 2018 Share Posted May 23, 2018 19 minutes ago, pg4Him said: It’s amazing how much speculation gets added to this story. It's amazing how little substance you contribute to any thread you participate in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve_S Posted May 24, 2018 Group: Servant Followers: 25 Topic Count: 275 Topics Per Day: 0.05 Content Count: 5,208 Content Per Day: 1.00 Reputation: 1,893 Days Won: 0 Joined: 01/02/2010 Status: Offline Share Posted May 24, 2018 5 hours ago, shiloh357 said: It's amazing how little substance you contribute to any thread you participate in. Shiloh was removed from the thread for this post. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
plo1988 Posted May 26, 2018 Group: Nonbeliever Followers: 1 Topic Count: 12 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 115 Content Per Day: 0.20 Reputation: 37 Days Won: 0 Joined: 10/03/2022 Status: Offline Share Posted May 26, 2018 Isn't John 3:16 clear? If you can believe in Jesus how could you have blasphemed the Holy Spirit? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike 2 Posted May 26, 2018 Group: Advanced Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 12 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 499 Content Per Day: 0.19 Reputation: 277 Days Won: 0 Joined: 12/06/2016 Status: Offline Share Posted May 26, 2018 In light of what Shiloh said in an earlier post On 5/23/2018 at 3:06 PM, shiloh357 said: No Christian can commit Blasphemy of the Holy Spirit. The ONLY people in the Bible who committed that sin were those who rejected Jesus............ Mar_3:29 but whosoever shall blaspheme against the Holy Spirit hath never forgiveness, but is guilty of an eternal sin: Heb 6:4 As for those who at one time saw the light, tasting the good things from heaven, and having their part in the Holy Spirit, Heb 6:5 With knowledge of the good word of God, and of the powers of the coming time, Heb 6:6 And then let themselves be turned away, it is not possible for their hearts to be made new a second time; because they themselves put the Son of God on the cross again, openly shaming him. Could " it is not possible for their hearts to be made new a second time" actually mean that it is not possible for them to "let themselves be turned away" because the Holy Spirit is so overwhelmingly obvious? If that's the case, then the question could be asked....Who then could blaspheme the Holy Spirit? The Pharisees knew the Holy Spirit was at work, they knew Jesus was the Son of God, the Messiah spoken of. Were their "hearts made new" in the realization of the discovery of the Messiah and the Holy Spirit BUT they rejected it knowing full well the truth in their hearts. Done once....no second time? Is that how it works? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
enoob57 Posted May 26, 2018 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 35 Topic Count: 99 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 41,065 Content Per Day: 7.97 Reputation: 21,395 Days Won: 76 Joined: 03/13/2010 Status: Offline Birthday: 07/27/1957 Share Posted May 26, 2018 46 minutes ago, Mike 2 said: In light of what Shiloh said in an earlier post On 5/23/2018 at 3:06 PM, shiloh357 said: No Christian can commit Blasphemy of the Holy Spirit. The ONLY people in the Bible who committed that sin were those who rejected Jesus............ Mar_3:29 but whosoever shall blaspheme against the Holy Spirit hath never forgiveness, but is guilty of an eternal sin: Heb 6:4 As for those who at one time saw the light, tasting the good things from heaven, and having their part in the Holy Spirit, Heb 6:5 With knowledge of the good word of God, and of the powers of the coming time, Heb 6:6 And then let themselves be turned away, it is not possible for their hearts to be made new a second time; because they themselves put the Son of God on the cross again, openly shaming him. Could " it is not possible for their hearts to be made new a second time" actually mean that it is not possible for them to "let themselves be turned away" because the Holy Spirit is so overwhelmingly obvious? If that's the case, then the question could be asked....Who then could blaspheme the Holy Spirit? The Pharisees knew the Holy Spirit was at work, they knew Jesus was the Son of God, the Messiah spoken of. Were their "hearts made new" in the realization of the discovery of the Messiah and the Holy Spirit BUT they rejected it knowing full well the truth in their hearts. Done once....no second time? Is that how it works? I don't think this is true because of what Jesus said here Luke 23:31 34 Then said Jesus, Father, forgive them; for they know not what they do. And they parted his raiment, and cast lots. KJV Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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