Guest shiloh357 Posted June 5, 2018 Share Posted June 5, 2018 Just now, ENOCH2010 said: If the Lord had put that extra resurrection in the Bible we wouldn't be having this debate, but since it's the pre-trib crowd that pencils the extra resurrection in just to make their doctrine sound like it has merit. I have to file that under suspect. I say the Bible has it right. Not penciling anything in. But there is a pre-tribulation rapture/resurrection, like it or not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ENOCH2010 Posted June 5, 2018 Group: Senior Member Followers: 8 Topic Count: 6 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 907 Content Per Day: 0.20 Reputation: 382 Days Won: 0 Joined: 11/03/2011 Status: Offline Birthday: 07/07/1866 Share Posted June 5, 2018 1 hour ago, shiloh357 said: There is the resurrection that happens at the rapture. Then there is the resurrection of the Tribulation saints that happens at start of the millennium. This is not written in the Bible 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest shiloh357 Posted June 5, 2018 Share Posted June 5, 2018 Just now, ENOCH2010 said: This is not written in the Bible I thess. 4:13-14 and Rev. 20:4-6. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inchrist Posted June 5, 2018 Group: Non-Trinitarian Followers: 3 Topic Count: 0 Topics Per Day: 0 Content Count: 3,490 Content Per Day: 0.96 Reputation: 88 Days Won: 1 Joined: 04/29/2014 Status: Offline Share Posted June 5, 2018 1 minute ago, shiloh357 said: It's really, really simple to understand. Yes it's very easy to understand Rev 11 a literal ressurection, with ACTUAL Christ, let that sink it After that, we who are still alive and are left will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. at a trumpet, a literal trumpet. You have nothing, you have no literal resurrection, no Christ and no literal trumpet...you have fantasy... None of what you state here is found in scripture That is different than in Rev. 20: 4-6 where only the Tribulation believers, those who got saved during the Tribulation but were martyred or otherwise died in Christ will be raised. You have no scripture stating there's a difference in some make belief two part first ressurection. You have no starting point for your ressurection to even determine when a difference between one dead Christian against another dead Christian, because you can't even determine any literal ressurection or trumpet as your starting point. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest shiloh357 Posted June 5, 2018 Share Posted June 5, 2018 3 minutes ago, inchrist said: Yes it's very easy to understand Rev 11 a literal ressurection, with ACTUAL Christ, let that sink it That's just the resurrection of the two witnesses. Doesn't apply here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ENOCH2010 Posted June 5, 2018 Group: Senior Member Followers: 8 Topic Count: 6 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 907 Content Per Day: 0.20 Reputation: 382 Days Won: 0 Joined: 11/03/2011 Status: Offline Birthday: 07/07/1866 Share Posted June 5, 2018 13 minutes ago, shiloh357 said: Not penciling anything in. But there is a pre-tribulation rapture/resurrection, like it or not. There is a rapture/resurrection, but it won't be pre-trib 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inchrist Posted June 5, 2018 Group: Non-Trinitarian Followers: 3 Topic Count: 0 Topics Per Day: 0 Content Count: 3,490 Content Per Day: 0.96 Reputation: 88 Days Won: 1 Joined: 04/29/2014 Status: Offline Share Posted June 5, 2018 6 minutes ago, shiloh357 said: That's just the resurrection of the two witnesses. Doesn't apply here. Really they didn't die in Christ? Resurrected At a trumpet? With Christ in the picture? Also judging the dead at a rev 11:18 trumpet? A whole lot of things happening to the dead at a trumpet With Christ in the picture.... Tell me where's your literal trumpet? And literal Christ? And literal resurrection? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest shiloh357 Posted June 5, 2018 Share Posted June 5, 2018 3 minutes ago, ENOCH2010 said: There is a rapture/resurrection, but it won't be pre-trib Yes it will. If you want to stick around for the Tribulation, that's between you and God. I won't be joining you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest shiloh357 Posted June 5, 2018 Share Posted June 5, 2018 3 minutes ago, inchrist said: Really they didn't die in Christ? Yes, but it doesn't apply to this discussion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inchrist Posted June 5, 2018 Group: Non-Trinitarian Followers: 3 Topic Count: 0 Topics Per Day: 0 Content Count: 3,490 Content Per Day: 0.96 Reputation: 88 Days Won: 1 Joined: 04/29/2014 Status: Offline Share Posted June 5, 2018 1 minute ago, shiloh357 said: Yes, but it doesn't apply to this discussion. Provide scripture it doesn't..... Christ taught something very interesting to the Pharisees 55And when the south wind blows, you say, ‘It will be hot,’ and it is. 56You hypocrites! You know how to interpret the appearance of the earth and sky.Why don’t you know how to interpretthe present time? 57And why don’t you judge for yourselves what is right You cant interpret the times, you can't interpret the ressurection, or Christ coming, or the trumpet....because you have none of it in your pre trib doctrine If I ask you where is it, you can't show me. However the time of the dead at a trumpet from Rev 11:12 all the way to Rev 11:18 are being ressurected and judged. Interpreting the times. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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