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Two trbulations and the truth about them


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5 minutes ago, inchrist said:

Provide scripture it doesn't..... 

I Thess. 4:13-14 isn't about the two witnesses, neither is Rev. 20:4-6.

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18 minutes ago, shiloh357 said:

Yes it will.   If you want to stick around for the Tribulation, that's between you and God.  I won't be joining you.

I'm afraid you got no choice,

Pre tribs doctrine is the manipulation of scripture of the living saints to be raptured amongst the dead in Christ.

Blessed and holy is the one who shares in the first resurrection

Even grammatically you can not manipulate first the dead in Christ will rise with this statement first resurrection

first the dead in christ/first ressurection. They are one and the same phrases 

Pretrib is a false doctrine of the living saints to be raptured inbetween the dead in Christ.

 

 

 

 

 

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7 minutes ago, shiloh357 said:

I Thess. 4:13-14 isn't about the two witnesses, neither is Rev. 20:4-6.

Read from rev:11:12 - rev 11:18 refutes your interpretation 

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2 minutes ago, inchrist said:

Read from rev:11:12 - rev 11:18 refutes your interpretation 

No, it doesn't. 

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Just now, shiloh357 said:

No, it doesn't. 

Really...ok let's start basics....do I have a trumpet in Rev 11:12 - rev 11:18?

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3 minutes ago, inchrist said:

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first the dead in christ/first ressurection. They are one and the same phrases 

Pretrib is a false doctrine of the living saints to be raptured inbetween the dead in Christ.

I Thess. 4:13-14 and Reve. 20:4-6 are two separate events.   I Thess. 4:13-14 comes first and precedes the Tribulation.   The resurrection of the Trib saints in Rev. 20 takes place after the bodily return of Jesus.

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1 minute ago, inchrist said:

Really...ok let's start basics....do I have a trumpet in Rev 11:12 - rev 11:18?

It doesn't matter.   The trumpet that will sound in I Thess. isn't a Trumpet that is mentioned anywhere in Revelation.  It has nothing to do with any of the seven trumpets in Revelation.   

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Just now, shiloh357 said:

I Thess. 4:13-14 and Reve. 20:4-6 are two separate events.   I Thess. 4:13-14 comes first and precedes the Tribulation.   

This is not Exegesis, 

For the Lord himself will come down from heaven, with a loud command, with the voice of the archangel and with the trumpet call

Please provide scriptures showing this literal event in order to determine 1 th 4 to be different to that of Rev 20

 

 

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1 minute ago, Sojourner414 said:

No, the angels do.

 trumpet call of God

are you telling me the angel in Rev 11:15 blowing the trumpet is not the trumpet call of God

who they calling for then or on behalf of then?

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When the rapture comes, there will be no arguing about the pre- rapture anymore, I hope people understand that we're not here anymore, Worthy will have to do without us

Who of you will still be here to fill in the blanks? 

 

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