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I think that the church began with Jesus and His disciples.  That seems to fit the definition of a called out assembly with Jesus Christ as the head.  I have seen posts in other threads where it is stated that the church began on the day of Pentecost.  I think that the church existed before Pentecost and was empowered by the Holy Spirit and members added.

Acts 2:41 Then they that gladly received his word were baptized: and the same day there were added unto them about three thousand souls.

I am not dogmatic about my position on this and really want to hear from others.  There must be some ramifications to which position one holds, but I don't know what they are. I wrote a Statement of Faith once in view of a call and was corrected on this and the man correcting me was very insistent. I don't understand why this is so important, but I want to know. 

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I believe Jesus purchased His Church with His Blood...

Acts 20:28 CSB
[28] Be on guard for yourselves and for all the flock of which the Holy Spirit has appointed you as overseers, to shepherd the church of God, which he purchased with his own blood.

So I'd put it at Calvary, maybe Pentecost.

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On ‎5‎/‎31‎/‎2018 at 9:42 PM, JoeChan82 said:

I think that the church began with Jesus and His disciples.  That seems to fit the definition of a called out assembly with Jesus Christ as the head.  I have seen posts in other threads where it is stated that the church began on the day of Pentecost.  I think that the church existed before Pentecost and was empowered by the Holy Spirit and members added.

Acts 2:41 Then they that gladly received his word were baptized: and the same day there were added unto them about three thousand souls.

I am not dogmatic about my position on this and really want to hear from others.  There must be some ramifications to which position one holds, but I don't know what they are. I wrote a Statement of Faith once in view of a call and was corrected on this and the man correcting me was very insistent. I don't understand why this is so important, but I want to know. 

the Church was born on Pentecost.   Jesus, in Matthew 16 said "upon this rock I will build my Church."   He did not say, "upon this rock I am building"  or "will continue to build..."    It was future tense in Jesus' ministry.   And it came into existence on the day of Pentecost.  

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On 6/1/2018 at 12:42 PM, JoeChan82 said:

I think that the church began with Jesus and His disciples.  That seems to fit the definition of a called out assembly with Jesus Christ as the head.  I have seen posts in other threads where it is stated that the church began on the day of Pentecost.  I think that the church existed before Pentecost and was empowered by the Holy Spirit and members added.

Acts 2:41 Then they that gladly received his word were baptized: and the same day there were added unto them about three thousand souls.

I am not dogmatic about my position on this and really want to hear from others.  There must be some ramifications to which position one holds, but I don't know what they are. I wrote a Statement of Faith once in view of a call and was corrected on this and the man correcting me was very insistent. I don't understand why this is so important, but I want to know. 

I believe the Church begain on the day of Penticost when the Apostles first recieved the Holy Spirit and thus first came to the real understanding of the Gospel message of the LORD Jesus Christ.. 

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Thanks all for the replies.  Because of the reasons ya'll gave I have never been dogmatic on my position.  I was wondering about the ramification of taking one position or another. I mean does one position make me part of the Reformed camp and the other position make me part of the Church is the new Israel camp or the Israel is completely different from the church camp.  You know, that sort of thing.

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Stephen used the same word Church/Assembly for Israel in Mount Sinai but was this the Church God spoke of or just the patriarchs whose children would become the church?  I submit that like Paul said that God's annointed have his Holy Spirit in them and this is the test of being in the Church.  This would lead me to believe the Church that Christ spoke of started  on Pentecost but was spoke of throughout the Old Testament.

 

2 Corinthians 13:5 Examine yourselves, whether ye be in the faith; prove your own selves. Know ye not your own selves, how that Jesus Christ is in you, except ye be reprobates?

Ephesians 1:13 In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,

1 Corinthians 3:16 Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you

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On ‎5‎/‎31‎/‎2018 at 10:42 PM, JoeChan82 said:

I think that the church began with Jesus and His disciples.  That seems to fit the definition of a called out assembly with Jesus Christ as the head.  I have seen posts in other threads where it is stated that the church began on the day of Pentecost.  I think that the church existed before Pentecost and was empowered by the Holy Spirit and members added.

Acts 2:41 Then they that gladly received his word were baptized: and the same day there were added unto them about three thousand souls.

I am not dogmatic about my position on this and really want to hear from others.  There must be some ramifications to which position one holds, but I don't know what they are. I wrote a Statement of Faith once in view of a call and was corrected on this and the man correcting me was very insistent. I don't understand why this is so important, but I want to know. 

Where the people who heard the disciple's preaching saved before Calgary?

The Seventy Sent Out

10 Now after this the Lord appointed [a]seventy others, and sent them in pairs ahead of Him to every city and place where He Himself was going to come. 2 And He was saying to them, “The harvest is plentiful, but the laborers are few; therefore beseech the Lord of the harvest to send out laborers into His harvest. 3 Go; behold, I send you out as lambs in the midst of wolves. 4 Carry no money belt, no bag, no shoes; and greet no one on the way. 5 Whatever house you enter, first say, ‘Peace be to this house.’ 6 If a [c]man of peace is there, your peace will rest on him; but if not, it will return to you. 7 Stay in [d]that house, eating and drinking [e]what they give you; for the laborer is worthy of his wages. Do not keep moving from house to house. 8 Whatever city you enter and they receive you, eat what is set before you; 9 and heal those in it who are sick, and say to them, ‘The kingdom of God has come near to you.’ 10 But whatever city you enter and they do not receive you, go out into its streets and say, 11 ‘Even the dust of your city which clings to our feet we wipe off in protest against you; yet [f]be sure of this, that the kingdom of God has come near.’ 12 I say to you, it will be more tolerable in that day for Sodom than for that city.

(Luke 10:1-12 NASB)

Did the people who were baptized by John have to be baptized again after Pentecost?  Is the Church a requirement for salvation?  What about the thief on the cross?

 

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Wasnt John already baptizing folks when Jesus came to John and said He needed to be baptized and John was confused saying it was him that should be baptized by Jesus? 

There may not be enough information in the bible to determine when.  There are a handful of scriptures to say people believed before Jesus began His ministry.  And i do not know if this would count (you be the judge) but the three wise men came when Jesus was born.  they brought frankincense and myrrh.  One is for celebrating and one for funerals.  some people already knew, and believed.  A lot of things in the bible are to happen in the future and yet are spoken of in past tense. 

Maybe it was when the veil was rent in two? 

Kinda hard to say. 

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The ekklesia (the gathered / called out) began with Abraham* (Hebrews 11).

Before the cross it was on credit (ahead of the actual purchase price being paid by Christ on the cross).

After the cross it is by credit (after the actual purchase price was paid on the cross by Christ). God accredits

the righteousness of Christ into our accounts with him through faith.

* Before Abraham, those who lived by faith were more or less individuals who did so. But the "church" the gathering (assembly / group) a specific people

began with father Abraham. And since then the covenants changed.

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