Daniel 11:36 Posted June 21, 2018 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 2 Topic Count: 10 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 1,957 Content Per Day: 0.56 Reputation: 295 Days Won: 0 Joined: 10/17/2014 Status: Offline Share Posted June 21, 2018 "Do you realize this doesn't help" Truth is a problem for some Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeCanada Posted June 29, 2018 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 9 Topic Count: 75 Topics Per Day: 0.03 Content Count: 1,248 Content Per Day: 0.55 Reputation: 671 Days Won: 0 Joined: 01/26/2018 Status: Offline Share Posted June 29, 2018 On 6/2/2018 at 7:39 AM, angels4u said: 144 Thousand God's focus turns to Israel Hi angels4u.... In Rev 7:1, John says....AFTER these things ( this follows Rev 6 and the opening of the 6 seals) I saw four angels standing on the four corners of the earth, holding the four winds of the earth, that the wind should not blow on the earth, nor on the sea, nor on any tree.... Rev 7:2 And I saw another angel ascending from the east, having the seal of the living God: and he cried with a loud voice to the four angels, to whom it was given to hurt the earth and the sea, Rev 7:3 Saying, Hurt not the earth, neither the sea, nor the trees, till we have sealed the servants of our God in their foreheads. So it is here that these 144,000 are sealed ..........................after the 6th seal and before the 7th seal. After the 7th seal is opened, then the angels who have the 7 trumpets begin to sound. It is here that the earth, sea and trees are harmed. Rev 8:7 The first angel sounded, and there followed hail and fire mingled with blood, and they were cast upon the earth: and the third part of trees was burnt up, and all green grass was burnt up. Rev 8:8 And the second angel sounded, and as it were a great mountain burning with fire was cast into the sea: and the third part of the sea became blood; Rev 8:10 And the third angel sounded, and there fell a great star from heaven, burning as it were a lamp, and it fell upon the third part of the rivers, and upon the fountains of waters; So if the 144,000 are not sealed until after the 6th seal and before the 7th seal, how can they be evangelists that are sealed BEFORE the beginning of the Tribulation and minister to the whole world? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
n2thelight Posted June 29, 2018 Group: Non-Conformist Theology Followers: 2 Topic Count: 48 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 2,139 Content Per Day: 0.69 Reputation: 796 Days Won: 1 Joined: 10/20/2015 Status: Offline Share Posted June 29, 2018 1 minute ago, Davida said: You don't seem to like Jews much- perhaps it was emphasized by some denomination that you belong or listen to, that Jews were just disobedient and murdered Jesus & therefore you were taught that GOD revoked HIS promises to the Jews - to Israel. The 144,000 are male virgins, Israel Jews that DO BELIEVE in JESUS, they are SEALED with GOD's Protection, who proclaim the Gospel during the Tribulation. No,it's those that call themselves Jews but are not. Nothing whatsoever against Judah. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel 11:36 Posted June 29, 2018 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 2 Topic Count: 10 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 1,957 Content Per Day: 0.56 Reputation: 295 Days Won: 0 Joined: 10/17/2014 Status: Offline Share Posted June 29, 2018 (edited) "No,it's those that call themselves Jews but are not" Another bad interpretation .... those who say they are Jews and are not are Gentiles These scriptures are given to the church of primarily Gentiles You need to restudy scripture for understanding Dump Arnold Murray's rant and return to the scriptures Edited June 29, 2018 by Daniel 11:36 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
n2thelight Posted June 30, 2018 Group: Non-Conformist Theology Followers: 2 Topic Count: 48 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 2,139 Content Per Day: 0.69 Reputation: 796 Days Won: 1 Joined: 10/20/2015 Status: Offline Share Posted June 30, 2018 17 hours ago, Daniel 11:36 said: "No,it's those that call themselves Jews but are not" Another bad interpretation .... those who say they are Jews and are not are Gentiles These scriptures are given to the church of primarily Gentiles You need to restudy scripture for understanding Dump Arnold Murray's rant and return to the scriptures Who was Christ talking to? John 8:44-46 King James Version (KJV) 44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it. I'm good on my study. Maybe you need to get off the milk. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
n2thelight Posted June 30, 2018 Group: Non-Conformist Theology Followers: 2 Topic Count: 48 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 2,139 Content Per Day: 0.69 Reputation: 796 Days Won: 1 Joined: 10/20/2015 Status: Offline Share Posted June 30, 2018 19 hours ago, Davida said: Does the land & nation of Israel is on belong to them by God's decree & their 3000yr archeological history or are you basically anti-Israel? You need to figure out who Isreal is. Those in that nation state, ain't them. Read scripture on those who deny Christ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
n2thelight Posted June 30, 2018 Group: Non-Conformist Theology Followers: 2 Topic Count: 48 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 2,139 Content Per Day: 0.69 Reputation: 796 Days Won: 1 Joined: 10/20/2015 Status: Offline Share Posted June 30, 2018 On 6/21/2018 at 11:03 AM, Daniel 11:36 said: "Do you realize this doesn't help" Truth is a problem for some Is that why you're having problems Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeCanada Posted June 30, 2018 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 9 Topic Count: 75 Topics Per Day: 0.03 Content Count: 1,248 Content Per Day: 0.55 Reputation: 671 Days Won: 0 Joined: 01/26/2018 Status: Offline Share Posted June 30, 2018 22 hours ago, Davida said: The 144,000 are male virgins, Israel Jews that DO BELIEVE in JESUS, they are SEALED with GOD's Protection, who proclaim the Gospel during the Tribulation. " who proclaim the gospel DURING the tribulation" Perhaps you could answer this question for me.... In Rev 7:1, John says....AFTER these things ( this follows Rev 6 and the opening of the 6 seals) I saw four angels standing on the four corners of the earth, holding the four winds of the earth, that the wind should not blow on the earth, nor on the sea, nor on any tree.... Rev 7:2 And I saw another angel ascending from the east, having the seal of the living God: and he cried with a loud voice to the four angels, to whom it was given to hurt the earth and the sea, Rev 7:3 Saying, Hurt not the earth, neither the sea, nor the trees, till we have sealed the servants of our God in their foreheads. So it is here that these 144,000 are sealed ..........................after the 6th seal and before the 7th seal. After the 7th seal is opened, then the angels who have the 7 trumpets begin to sound. It is here that the earth, sea and trees are harmed. Rev 8:7 The first angel sounded, and there followed hail and fire mingled with blood, and they were cast upon the earth: and the third part of trees was burnt up, and all green grass was burnt up. Rev 8:8 And the second angel sounded, and as it were a great mountain burning with fire was cast into the sea: and the third part of the sea became blood; Rev 8:10 And the third angel sounded, and there fell a great star from heaven, burning as it were a lamp, and it fell upon the third part of the rivers, and upon the fountains of waters; So if the 144,000 are not sealed until after the 6th seal and before the 7th seal, how can they be evangelists that are sealed BEFORE the beginning of the Tribulation and minister to the whole world? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Revelation Man Posted June 30, 2018 Group: Royal Member Followers: 9 Topic Count: 12 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 4,065 Content Per Day: 1.41 Reputation: 551 Days Won: 0 Joined: 06/01/2016 Status: Offline Share Posted June 30, 2018 On 6/19/2018 at 3:53 AM, n2thelight said: They were sealed before the start of the tribulation,as per the below verses Revelation 7:2 "And I saw another angel ascending from the east [sun rising], having the seal of the living God: and he cried with a loud voice to the four angels, to whom it was given to hurt the earth and the sea." Revelation 7:3 "Saying, Hurt not the earth, neither the sea, nor the trees, till we have sealed the servants of our God in their foreheads." The whole 70th week is seen as Jacobs Troubles by most. I think you know hes saying they "got saved" after the Rapture, why play semantic games? It doesn't help brother. The Jews are actually protected BEFORE the 1260 begins if you want to get technical, the 1290 comes before the 1260. Rev. 7 is a flashback of sorts to just before the Anti-Christ comes forth. On 6/19/2018 at 10:27 AM, Daniel 11:36 said: "God will seal the 144.000 in the beginning of the Tribulation" This is true .... all of the 144000 are of Israel and these will be sealed for a specific purpose as stated in Revelation 7 and 14 They are mortals and will need protection during the coming tribulation period These are the 1/3 of the Jews that Flee Judea, it will not be 144,00, it will be in the Millions. I think 6 Million Jews live in Israel now (6.5 Million) so that means at least 2 Million Jews will flee unto Judea. God/Jesus told John 144,000 to represent the 1/3 of the Jews who will be there, or 2 Million of the 6 Million. The 12 x 12 x 12 = FULLNESS or as is stated by Isaiah and quoted by Paul, ALL ISRAEL will be saved, or ALL JEWS who Repent and believe in Christ Jesus as their Messiah, there s no 144,000 per se. Revelation is a Book of METAPHORS !! On 6/19/2018 at 10:00 PM, n2thelight said: How in the heck they need protection,better still how they gonna get it when they don't believe in Christ?????? The sealing is for the Elect,who already have the seal in their mind,which is the Word And again the sealing is before the tribulation....That's why the winds are held back Read Malachi 4:5-6, Elijah (Two-witnesses) are set to turn Israel back unto God BEFORE the Dreadful day of the Lord. The Day of the Lord begins with the very Firs Seal being opened. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeCanada Posted June 30, 2018 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 9 Topic Count: 75 Topics Per Day: 0.03 Content Count: 1,248 Content Per Day: 0.55 Reputation: 671 Days Won: 0 Joined: 01/26/2018 Status: Offline Share Posted June 30, 2018 34 minutes ago, Davida said: Where does it say sealed BEFORE the beginning of the Trib? They are saved during the Trib. Hi Davida.... I'm just quoting what you said..... "The 144,000 are male virgins, Israel Jews that DO BELIEVE in JESUS, they are SEALED with GOD's Protection, who proclaim the Gospel during the Tribulation. " Rev 7 comes after Rev 6....its chronological...... It is in Rev 7, after the 6th seal of Rev 6, that the 144,000 are sealed. Is it not? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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