Jump to content

144.000 Thousand and Gods focus on Israel.

Recommended Posts

10 minutes ago, Hadasa said:

You do not see it because you do not read on . You think the Revelation is in chronological order. John states the condition of those which receive the NEW SONG then reveals from where it comes from and who is pouring it out upon peoples and nations.

Revelation 14

The Lamb and the 144,000

14 Then I looked, and there was the Lamb, standing on Mount Zion! And with him were one hundred forty-four thousand who had his name and his Father’s name written on their foreheads. And I heard a voice from heaven like the sound of many waters and like the sound of loud thunder; the voice I heard was like the sound of harpists playing on their harps, and they sing a new song before the throne and before the four living creatures and before the elders. No one could learn that song except the one hundred forty-four thousand who have been redeemed from the earth. It is these who have not defiled themselves with women, for they are virgins; these follow the Lamb wherever he goes. They have been redeemed from humankind as first fruits for God and the Lamb, and in their mouth no lie was found; they are blameless.

The Messages of the Three Angels

Then I saw another angel flying in midheaven, with an eternal gospel to proclaim to THOSE who live on the earth—to every nation and tribe and language and people. He said in a loud voice, “Fear God and give him glory, for the hour of his judgment has come; and worship him who made heaven and earth, the sea and the springs of water.”( The New Song can not be anything other than the everlasting gospel for there is NO OTHER WRITTEN TRUTH UNDER HEAVEN. This is presently being proclaimed to them by the Angel of the Lord as proclaimed to Mary and hence , the Song of Mary which could not come before the angel proclaimed the GOOD NEWS TO HER. This too for this portion of the Bride.) In this the Two witnesses too come forth and now the following words come and correlate with Rev.18 and Rev19. No chronological order but Gods order revealed for these end of times. If not this way the enemy would know all God's plans. As it is God reveals His plans to His Elect.

Witnesses Against IsraelAmos 3:6-8
6If a trumpet sounds in a city, will the people not tremble? If calamity comes to a city, has not the LORD caused it? 7Surely the Lord GOD does nothing without revealing His plan to His servants the prophets. 8The lion has roared—who will not fear? The Lord GOD has spoken—who will not prophesy?… The Witnesses will hammer the Everlasting gospel HOME and come with the power to perform many of God's righteous judgements during this time.They will affirm all that which 144, 000  Rev14 teach and support those sealed from out of the Old covenant, they will speak what the seven thunders speak, this is only for them (concerning the message of the thunders of God). BIG THINGS COMING the governments and denominations are right to fear the toppling of their thrones.

REV14 continued:

Then another angel, a second, followed, saying, “Fallen, fallen is Babylon the great! She has made all nations drink of the wine of the wrath of her fornication.”

Then another angel, a third, followed them, crying with a loud voice, “Those who worship the beast and its image, and receive a mark on their foreheads or on their hands, 10 they will also drink the wine of God’s wrath, poured unmixed into the cup of his anger, and they will be tormented with fire and sulfur in the presence of the holy angels and in the presence of the Lamb. 11 And the smoke of their torment goes up forever and ever. There is no rest day or night for those who worship the beast and its image and for anyone who receives the mark of its name.”

12 Here is a call for the endurance of the saints, those who keep the commandments of God and hold fast to the faith of[b] Jesus.

13 And I heard a voice from heaven saying, “Write this: Blessed are the dead who from now on die in the Lord.” “Yes,” says the Spirit, “they will rest from their labors, for their deeds follow them.”

Reaping the Earth’s Harvest

14 Then I looked, and there was a white cloud, and seated on the cloud was one like the Son of Man, with a golden crown on his head, and a sharp sickle in his hand! 15 Another angel came out of the temple, calling with a loud voice to the one who sat on the cloud, “Use your sickle and reap, for the hour to reap has come, because the harvest of the earth is fully ripe.” 16 So the one who sat on the cloud swung his sickle over the earth, and the earth was reaped.

17 Then another angel came out of the temple in heaven, and he too had a sharp sickle. 18 Then another angel came out from the altar, the angel who has authority over fire, and he called with a loud voice to him who had the sharp sickle, “Use your sharp sickle and gather the clusters of the vine of the earth, for its grapes are ripe.” 19 So the angel swung his sickle over the earth and gathered the vintage of the earth, and he threw it into the great wine press of the wrath of God. 20 And the wine press was trodden outside the city, and blood flowed from the wine press, as high as a horse’s bridle, for a distance of about two hundred miles.

Hi Hadasa....

The following scripture is from Rev 7. It follows Rev 6 where the first 6 seals have been opened/unsealed.....

And I saw another angel ascending from the rising of the sun, having the seal of the living God; and he cried out with a loud voice to the four angels to whom it was granted to harm the earth and the sea, saying, “Do not harm the earth or the sea or the trees until we have sealed the bond-servants of our God on their foreheads.”  And I heard the number of those who were sealed, one hundred and forty-four thousand sealed from every tribe of the sons of Israel. (Rev. 7:2-4)......( note...they only have the seal of God )
So these 144,000 are "sealed". And sealed is usually a term that means saved. ( Eph 1:13, 4:30....2Cor 1:22 )
Why are these 144,000 chosen to be sealed?  It is these who place their faith in Jesus when He appears in the sky, prior to the Rapture.
In Rev 14, we see them again....
Then I looked, and behold, on Mount Zion stood the Lamb, and with him 144,000 who had his name and his Father’s name written on their foreheads . . . These have been redeemed from mankind as first fruits for God and the Lamb, (Rev. 14:1,4)
Now we see that they have the name of Jesus and the name of God the Father written on their foreheads.
And we are also told that these are redeemed from mankind as "first fruits". They are saved at this point.
It is the first fruits of the harvest that BEGINS when the fullness of the gentiles has come in; the moment after the partial hardening has been lifted.......they can then come to faith.
Lest you be wise in your own sight, I do not want you to be unaware of this mystery, brothers: a partial hardening has come upon Israel, until the fullness of the Gentiles has come in.  And in this way all Israel will be saved, as it is written, The Deliverer will come from Zionhe will banish ungodliness from Jacob” (Rom. 11:25-26)
The "fullness of the gentiles has come in" is a harvest term, the "gathering in" of the crop. So, after the full number of the gentiles to be harvested have been saved, it is only then that the "first fruits" of the Jewish harvest would begin. In ancient Israel, the first fruit offerings were given to God, with a "pledge" that the rest of the harvest would come in.
All of Israel is not saved when Jesus comes on the clouds....(Rev 6:16, Rev 1:7, Matt 24:30, Mark 13:26 )
The prophet Joel says that prior to Jesus coming on the clouds, God will send His Spirit in the form of dreams and visions....
And it shall come to pass afterward, that I will pour out my Spirit on all flesh; your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, your old men shall dream dreams, and your young men shall see visions. (Joel 2:28)
This will be a mighty move of the Holy Spirit, and will prepare the apostate remnant for what comes next....
And I will show wonders in the heavens and on the earth, blood and fire and columns of smoke.  The sun shall be turned to darkness and the moon to blood, before the great and awesome day of the Lord comes.  (Joel 2:30-31)
After the great move of the Spirit of grace depicted in Joel 2:28 and Zech. 12:10 comes the Celestial Earthly Disturbance, the sixth seal of Rev. 6:12-15 and Matt. 24:29.
Joel continues.....
And it shall come to pass that everyone who calls on the name of the Lord shall be saved. For in Mount Zion and in Jerusalem there shall be those who escape, as the Lord has said, and among the survivors shall be those whom the Lord calls. (Joel 2:32)
Now we look at the testimony of Revelation.....
The 6th seal is opened and we see the Celestial Earthly Disturbance.....Rev 6: 12-14,  Math 24:29, Joel 2: 30-31
Jesus is seen coming on the clouds and all the tribes of the earth will mourn.......Rev 6: 15-17, Math 24: 29-30, Rev 1:7
The 144,000 are then sealed. They call upon the Lord....Rev 7: 1-8, Joel 2: 32
This small group of first fruits of the Jewish remnant is then raptured into heaven with the saints of all ages....Rev 7: 9-17
They escape the "Day of the Lord"....Joel 2:32
This then fulfills the ancient prophecy from Isaiah....
In that day the Lord will start his threshing from the flowing stream of the Euphrates to the brook of Egypt, and you will be gathered up one by one, O sons of Israel. It will come about also in that day that a great trumpet will be blown, and those who were perishing in the land of Assyria and who were scattered in the land of Egypt will come and worship the Lord in the holy mountain at Jerusalem. (Isa. 27:12-13)
So, this is all scriptural. Nothing here is of my own opinion or interpretation.
I have yet to find ANY scripture that supports the notion that the 144,000 of Rev 7 will evangelize the world, or that they will be sealed before or at the beginning of the tribulation. 

Share this post

Link to post
Share on other sites
17 minutes ago, Hadasa said:


I said the Rev14 will evangelize the world

Hi Hadasa....

The 144,000 are sealed AFTER the 6th seal. 

AFTER the 6th seal is the Resurrection, Rapture of the righteous in Christ. Then comes the Day of the Lord, the Day of His Wrath, a year long event. The 7th seal then opens up the Lamentations and Woes of God's Wrath, the trumpets and seals.

There is no time for the 144,000 to declare the gospel to the world. 

Share this post

Link to post
Share on other sites
13 minutes ago, Daniel 11:36 said:

Then comes the Day of the Lord, the Day of His Wrath, a year long event"


Scriptures please


Isa 34:8.......For it is the day of the Lord's vengeance, and the year of recompences for the controversy of Zion.

Isa 61:2......To proclaim the acceptable year of the Lord, and the day of vengeance of our God; to comfort all that mourn;

Isa 63:4......For the day of vengeance is in mine heart, and the year of my redeemed is come.




















Share this post

Link to post
Share on other sites

"For the day of vengeance is in mine heart, and the year of my redeemed is come"


Your answer is peace meal and not inclusive .... the day of the Lord will begin with the 70th week decreed for Israel, and from then on

The 70th week will begin in Revelation chapter 8 and end in Revelation chapter 19 .... all of the judgments will be from the Lord

Then He will gather all of the people who are left upon the earth and begin His 1000 year millennial kingdom upon the earth

Edited by Daniel 11:36

Share this post

Link to post
Share on other sites
4 hours ago, Hadasa said:

Then you have a problem with the Word! Learn the meaning of semantics.

noun: semantics; noun: logical semantics; noun: lexical semantics

Nice dodge, but the burden of proof rests with you.

Share this post

Link to post
Share on other sites
On 6/19/2018 at 5:13 AM, brujaq said:

Let me ask that previous question another way .. When Jesus feet hits the Mt of Olive to defeat all the enemies gathered against Israel is that his second return or his third and what part of the end time is that ? Plus are we taken up to be with him forever then on the way to the battle of Armageddon ? I'm thinking between mid and and post trib . I don't know

Hi brujaq

Jesus only comes once, and first only "appears" in the sky during the war of man against man in Israel.  This appearing stops that war.  They all "gather" at "Meggido" to prepare war against the Lamb now.  Jesus then descends on to the Mt of Olives where his feet touches the ground.  This is to lure the armies to come down from Meggido towards his direction.  They come down from the West and East surrounding the City of Jerusalem but with their faces towards the Mt of Olives where Christ is (East of the city)

* East down through the Valley of Jehoshaphat (Kidron Valley)

* West  down through the Hinnom Valley.

Jesus comes down to the Mount of Olives with "ten thousands of his saints", ...not "hundreds of thousands", of them, or "millions" of them, but coming down with his elect only, the firstfruits. (Zech 14:4, Jude 1:14, Rev 14:1)  The rest will be gathered shortly after.


 Jeremiah 31:40   And the whole valley of the dead bodies, and of the ashes, and all the fields unto the brook of Kidron, unto the corner of the horse gate toward the east, shall be holy unto the LORD; it shall not be plucked up, nor thrown down any more for ever.


Joel 3:12   Let the heathen be wakened, and come up to the valley of Jehoshaphat: for there will I sit to judge all the heathen round about.


 Jeremiah 7:32   Therefore, behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that it shall no more be called Tophet, nor the valley of the son of Hinnom, but the valley of slaughter: for they shall bury in Tophet, till there be no place.


Joel 2:20   But I will remove far off from you the northern army, and will drive him into a land barren and desolate, with his face toward the east sea, (Dead Sea) and his hinder part toward the utmost sea, (Mediterranean Sea) and his stink shall come up, and his ill savour shall come up, because he hath done great things.





Edited by Sister

Share this post

Link to post
Share on other sites
On 7/13/2018 at 3:02 AM, JoeCanada said:

Hi Hadasa....

The 144,000 are sealed AFTER the 6th seal. 

AFTER the 6th seal is the Resurrection, Rapture of the righteous in Christ. Then comes the Day of the Lord, the Day of His Wrath, a year long event. The 7th seal then opens up the Lamentations and Woes of God's Wrath, the trumpets and seals.

There is no time for the 144,000 to declare the gospel to the world. 

Hi JoeCanada

The 144K are sealed before the 6th seal. 

Revelation 7:3   Saying, Hurt not the earth, neither the sea, nor the trees, till we have sealed the servants of our God in their foreheads.

All the trumpets and the vials start at the 6th seal.  They are sealed before the plagues come.

The 7th Seal is when Christ judges the nations (only one day).  This is the 7th trump, the last trump.


 Revelation 16:17   And the seventh angel poured out his vial into the air; and there came a great voice out of the temple of heaven, from the throne, saying, It is done.


 Revelation 10:7   But in the days of the voice of the seventh angel, when he shall begin to sound, the mystery of God should be finished, as he hath declared to his servants the prophets.

Share this post

Link to post
Share on other sites

Revelation 14:3   And they sung as it were a new song before the throne, and before the four beasts, and the elders: and no man could learn that song but the hundred and forty and four thousand, which were redeemed from the earth.


This song is the Old and New Testament.  They whole lot they were given.  They were given this before their resurrection.  The whole truth.  It's not new, because they've been singing it the whole time, so they sang it as if it was new.  They are glorifying, praising the Lord.


Revelation 15:3   And they sing the song of Moses the servant of God, and the song of the Lamb, saying, Great and marvellous are thy works, Lord God Almighty; just and true are thy ways, thou King of saints.




Share this post

Link to post
Share on other sites