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13 hours ago, JoeCanada said:

I will pour out on the house of David and on the inhabitants of Jerusalem, the Spirit of grace and of supplication, so that they will look on Me whom they have pierced; and they will mourn for Him, as one mourns for an only son, and they will weep bitterly over Him like the bitter weeping over a firstborn.  (Zech. 12:10)

This is the pouring out of the Spirit mentioned in Joel 2:28-29, which He pours out on the Jewish remnant, which takes place immediately before the celestial earthly disturbance.

Greetings in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ,

Have you considered that Peter applied Joel's prophecy to the giving of the promise of the Father at Pentecost:

Act 2:14  But Peter, standing up with the eleven, lifted up his voice, and said unto them, Ye men of Judaea, and all ye that dwell at Jerusalem, be this known unto you, and hearken to my words:
Act 2:15  For these are not drunken, as ye suppose, seeing it is but the third hour of the day.
Act 2:16  But this is that which was spoken by the prophet Joel;
Act 2:17  And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh: and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams:
Act 2:18  And on my servants and on my handmaidens I will pour out in those days of my Spirit; and they shall prophesy:
Act 2:19  And I will shew wonders in heaven above, and signs in the earth beneath; blood, and fire, and vapour of smoke:
Act 2:20  The sun shall be turned into darkness, and the moon into blood, before that great and notable day of the Lord come:
Act 2:21  And it shall come to pass, that whosoever shall call on the name of the Lord shall be saved.

Hallelujah

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22 hours ago, Steve Conley said:

Greetings in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ,

Have you considered that Peter applied Joel's prophecy to the giving of the promise of the Father at Pentecost:

Act 2:14  But Peter, standing up with the eleven, lifted up his voice, and said unto them, Ye men of Judaea, and all ye that dwell at Jerusalem, be this known unto you, and hearken to my words:
Act 2:15  For these are not drunken, as ye suppose, seeing it is but the third hour of the day.
Act 2:16  But this is that which was spoken by the prophet Joel;
Act 2:17  And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh: and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams:
Act 2:18  And on my servants and on my handmaidens I will pour out in those days of my Spirit; and they shall prophesy:
Act 2:19  And I will shew wonders in heaven above, and signs in the earth beneath; blood, and fire, and vapour of smoke:
Act 2:20  The sun shall be turned into darkness, and the moon into blood, before that great and notable day of the Lord come:
Act 2:21  And it shall come to pass, that whosoever shall call on the name of the Lord shall be saved.

Hallelujah

Hi Steve....

Brilliant. Scripture always has a few witnesses.......In the mouth of two or three witnesses shall every word be established.

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On 6/2/2018 at 9:39 AM, angels4u said:

144 Thousand
   God's focus turns to Israel

The fullness of the Gentiles will conclude the age of Grace with the rapture of the Church. The Lord will then once again call on Israel to be a spiritual witness and light to the nations during the seven year tribulation that will follow. The Jewish witnesses will not only include the much speculated about Two Witnesses (many believe to be Elijah & Moses) (Revelation 11:3-13), but also 144,000 sealed Jewish witnesses made up of 12,000 Jews from each of Israel’s 12 tribes (Revelation 7:4-8).

Despite terrible persecution and martyrdom, hundreds of millions “of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues” will hear the witness that they proclaim about the coming Messiah (Revelation 7:9). As a result, these hundreds of millions will become tribulation saints (Revelation 7:14-17). During the Great Tribulation, many will worship the antichrist and take his mark (Revelation 13:8, Revelation 13:15-18). But others will see through his deception and teach the truth, even though it will cost them their lives (Daniel 11:33,35). These courageous believers who by the witnesses of the 144 thousand and the two prophets give their lives to Jesus will risk everything to lead others to Christ. Many will be martyred for their faith (Revelation 6:9-11, Revelation 13:10), but their very willingness to die for the truth will inspire some to seek Jesus. Though the world will heartlessly discard them, God will not forget them (1 Corinthians 15:58). To Him, will be “like the stars forever and ever” (Daniel 12:3).

These new believers are those to whom God will give “insight” (Daniel 12:3), an understanding of His Word and the time in which they are living. Wisely, they will give teach and give testimony to the death and resurrection of Jesus Christ in order to encourage believers and reach people in the midst of the terrible suffering.

The Sealing of the 144,000

Even though the 144,000 Jews will be miraculously used by God, their life will be full of turmoil and persecution thanks to the Antichrist. Just as the Antichrist will demand his followers take the mark of the beast in either their right hand or forehead, the 144,000 witnesses will receive their own seal of God on their forehead. These 12,000 Jews from all twelve tribes of Israel will be tribulation evangelist. The seal of God upon this group will protect them as God judges and pours out His wrath on a non-believing earth. The non-believing earth will stand in rebellion against God, but the 144,000 as witnesses of God will faithfully proclaim the gospel. They will keep the commandments of God and hold the testimony of Jesus (Revelation 12:17) in the face of severe persecution inflicted on them by God’s enemies.

They will escape the impact of God’s wrath, such as the "locust" plague which will hurt only "the men who do not have the seal of God on their foreheads" (Revelation 9:4). This will free them to conduct their worldwide ministry of evangelism in those last days. These faithful 144,000 will be His voice in a world marked by unbridled human sin and darkened by the reign of the false Christ. That will be their role.

A Multitude Will be Saved

One of the most frequently asked questions in regard to the Tribulation time period is whether or not anyone will come to a saving faith in Jesus Christ during that difficult time.

2 Thessalonians 2:7
“For the secret power of lawlessness is already at work; but the one who now holds it back will continue to do so till he is taken out of the way”.

After the Rapture the Holy Spirit will still convict people of sin, but his restraining ministry will be over and all of satan’s evil will break loose on earth. We already know that 144 thousand people from the 12 tribes of Israel will be set apart for the Lord, but they will not be alone!

Those who come to believe during the Great Tribulation will be in one of two groups. The first group will be the remnant of physical Israel sealed for protection and called to testify concerning Christ (Revelation 7:1-8). The second group will be comprised of the masses of gentiles who believe in Christ and suffer persecution and martyrdom for their faith. These martyrs will come out of the Great Tribulation through death, but their suffering will instantly give way to victorious worship as they join the heavenly chorus in praise to “our God who sits on the throne, and to the Lamb” (Revelation 7:10)

John tells us about them in his vision of a different group, other than the 144,000 (Revelation 7:9-17). We know this is another body of people because rather than definite number of 144,000, this group is comprised of a crowd so large that no one could count how many there were. Instead of coming from the twelve tribes of Israel, this crowd came from every nation. The fact that this large group "have washed their robes and made them white in the blood of the Lamb" (Revelation 7:14) demonstrates that they have believed in Christ and had their sins forgiven. This large a gathering of believers—so large that they cannot be counted—may seem a bit surprising in light of Jesus’ teaching that many are called but only a few are chosen (Matthew 22:14) and that only a few enter through the narrow gate to find eternal life (Matthew 7:14); yet with the rate of growth of the world’s population so rapid, a few or a small percentage of the vast number now living still constitutes a considerable group. Remember that this crowd comes from "every nation and all tribes and peoples and tongues" throughout the world (Revelation 7:9), so even though they are a small minority, the number is still significantly large.

This event will be the largest soul harvest the world has even seen. Some Biblical scholars believe that more people may come to Jesus in period than in the last 2,000 years since Christ first walked the Earth.

Conclusion

What would it take for Israel to come to believe in Christ as a nation? Regrettably, it will take the awesome time of the Tribulation, with all of its judgments falling from Heaven, and its persecution of the Jewish people by the Antichrist. Through the testimony of the 144,000 Jewish evangelists and the Two Witnesses, by the end of the Tribulation Israel will be able, willing, and eager to receive their long-lost Yeshua as Messiah:

Zechariah 12:10
“And I will pour upon the house of David, and upon the inhabitants of Jerusalem, the spirit of grace and of supplications: and they shall look upon him whom they have pierced, and they shall mourn for him, as one mourneth for his only son, and shall be in bitterness for him, as one that is in bitterness for his firstborn.”

Zechariah 14:4
“And his feet shall stand in that day upon the mount of Olives, which is before Jerusalem on the east.”

When Israel repents and believes in the One whom they have pierced, the Lord Jesus Christ will return to the very place, the Mount of Olives, where He bade Jerusalem farewell so many centuries ago.

God will never leave the world without a witness to Himself. Fellow Christian, you and I are His witnesses during the present era as we await our Lord’s coming for His church. We must be faithful to represent Him because many around us need to hear and embrace the good news that Jesus saves. We will face opposition, but we can rest assured that He will protect us as long as He has a job for us to do just as He will protect the 144,000 in the future. The pressure upon us is far less direct and harsh than that upon our future fellow-witnesses, but on us the temptation to remain silent will perhaps be more subtle. Let’s not be lulled to sleep by the enemy. Let’s redeem the time because the days are evil.

References 
Holy Bible
Dr. Thomas McCall: Zola Levitt Ministries
Chuck Missler: Koinonia House
Charles Swindoll: Daniel, Volume 2: God’s Plan for the Future
Charles Swindoll: Revelation—Unveiling the End
Tim LaHaye and Ed Hindson: The Popular Encyclopedia of Bible Prophecy 
Grant Jeffrey: Countdown To The Apocalypse
Others

Sorry, but I think you mistaken. First, there is not one word about the 144,000 that they will testify or witness or preach. Second, I don't agree with your take on the great crowd, too large to number. 

Chapter 7 is an intermission places between the 6th and 7th seals. The 7th seal officially opens the 70th week, so everything must be ready. Have you ever been at a play where they close the curtains between acts? What happens behind the curtain? They are rearranging the set so it will "fit" the next act. 

This is what John is doing in chapter 7. You see, before the 7th seal can open the trumpet judgments, which will come with God's wrath, two events MUST take place (rearranging the set). 

First, the 144,000 must be sealed for their protection, and second, the church MUST be taken out of the world to miss the wrath of God.  This great crowd, too large to number, is the just raptured church. John did not see the rapture, but saw the effects of it: the church in heaven. 

Don't get thrown off by "great tribulation." John is not jumping around in time, and neither is he speaking of the days of great tribulation Jesus spoke of that will come late in the SECOND HALF of the week. No, John is talking about the end of the church age. When people die for their testimony, it is great tribulation for them! How could it get any greater? They cannot be killed twice. Where do we find the days of GT in Revelation? AFTER chapter 14 where God warns of the mark, and in chapter 15 where we see the beheaded begin to arrive in heaven.

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On 7/2/2018 at 12:00 PM, angels4u said:

What do you believe? The 144.000 will not come from heaven..

I'm ok if you disagree :)

Agree to disagree?

They come from earth, but end up in heaven as firstfruits! 

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3 hours ago, Hadasa said:

Yes this coincides with this:

Where O Death is Your Victory? 1 Corinthians 15:50-52
50Now I declare to you, brothers, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God, nor does the perishable inherit the imperishable. 51Listen, I tell you a mystery: We will not all sleep, but we will all be changed — 52in an instant, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet. For the trumpet will sound, the dead will be raised imperishable, and we will be changed.…

Those who are preserved through the Tribulation and do not experience martyrdom will experience an instant death and resurrection by Christ. And one person experienced this in her life in Christ. Her life was a precursor of what will be for the end time Bride who too are intended for an immaculate purpose, this portion is of the Rev.14 144,000 they are not the same as the Rev.7 144,00. The symbolism of Rev.12 represents two covenants those of the New and of the Old. The New covenant portion is made up of gentiles who are called His Beloved brought under Israel (The apple tree- SONG OF SONGS) by the New Covenant. They will NOT BE HARMED = have their lives taken by man. A sword shall pierce their heart though. We know how painful it is to see our brethren suffer as Christ.

The Calling of the Gentiles Romans 9:24-26
24including us, whom He has called not only from the Jews, but also from the Gentiles? 25As He says in Hosea: “I will call them My people who are not My people, and I will call her My Beloved who is not My beloved,” 26and, “It will happen that in the very place where it was said to them, ‘You are not My people,’ they will be called ‘sons of the living God.’”…

As all the matriarchs and patriarchs of the OT where precursors and their lives represented Christ and Israel and what was to come , Mother Miriam (Mary ) is an example of what the End Time Bride will be. I know it is a touchy subject for some in this forum but it is true. What was designed for her is designed in spirit for a portion of the Bride of Christ. This includes the assumption into heaven or what many in this forum call raptured and what the scriptures call a 'snatching up'. I can prove with scripture that she was snatched up and this is why it is purposed for the the woman of Rev.12 = the Bride in her immaculate image.

In Rev.14 -this group of people are given a new song, which is the everlasting gospel. They were redeemed from among men and no lie was found in them, they are WITHOUT BLEMISH= Immaculate , spotless without blemish (AFTER THEIR REDEMPTION). This is why it is important to study the scriptures to know CORRECTLY those things about Mary.

 

Hi Hadasa....

You said......"I can prove with scripture that she was snatched up and this is why it is purposed for the the woman of Rev.12 = the Bride in her immaculate image."

. I'm an EX-catholic for many years, but I've never seen any proof. Not by any priest or anyone. It was always 'inferred'.

So......let's have it then.....the scripture proof.

You also said....."the Rev.14 144,000 they are not the same as the Rev.7 144,00".

Well, I'm interested in hearing "WHY"...... again, scriptural support please.

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If you want to see an example of the old and the new covenants being unified by Christ, study the book of Ruth. In the book of Ruth you have a Jewish and a Gentile bride, namely Naomi and Ruth. Both are redeemed by the child born in Bethlehem Judah. That child is the kinsman redeemer. 

Ruth 4:13-22 ¶ So Boaz took Ruth, and she was his wife: and when he went in unto her, the LORD gave her conception, and she bare a son. 14 And the women said unto Naomi, Blessed be the LORD, which hath not left thee this day without a kinsman, that his name may be famous in Israel. 15 And he shall be unto thee a restorer of thy life, and a nourisher of thine old age: for thy daughter in law, which loveth thee, which is better to thee than seven sons, hath born him. 16 And Naomi took the child, and laid it in her bosom, and became nurse unto it. 

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1 hour ago, Hadasa said:

A person spent page upon page saying why Mother Miriam(Mary) is not the God Bearer and posting all kinds of scripture which they falsely interpreted.

Now you are playing at semantics. You cannot explain nor define the trinity. If that is your basis for defending the assumption of Mary, you will persuade no one here.

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1 hour ago, Hadasa said:

 And they were given a New song , the everlasting Gospel!

Hi Hadasa.....

Rev 14..... the new song is NOT the everlasting gospel.

"And they sung as it were a new song before the throne, and before the four beasts, and the elders; and no man could learn that song but the 144,000, which were redeemed from the earth...."...Rev 14:3

No man could learn that song but the 144,000. The new song is not the everlasting gospel.

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1 hour ago, Hadasa said:

The Holy Trinity is defined by the Word , no semantics needed , HE'S GOT IT COVERED! And they were given a New song , the everlasting Gospel!

Make no mistake, I believe the trinity. What I don't believe is making Mary the Queen of Heaven by saying that Christ is God and therefore Mary is the mother of God. That is the semantics to which I referred. 

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2 hours ago, Hadasa said:

If only your opinion NOT SUBSTANTIATED  by scripture is your only means of rebuttal then you will NOT convince me otherwise. PROVE ME WRONG!

The Bible says nothing about the assumption of Mary. Nothing for it. Nothing against it. So arguing from a position of silence is pointless.

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