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22 minutes ago, JoeCanada said:

Hi Hadasa....

The following scripture is from Rev 7. It follows Rev 6 where the first 6 seals have been opened/unsealed.....

And I saw another angel ascending from the rising of the sun, having the seal of the living God; and he cried out with a loud voice to the four angels to whom it was granted to harm the earth and the sea, saying, “Do not harm the earth or the sea or the trees until we have sealed the bond-servants of our God on their foreheads.”  And I heard the number of those who were sealed, one hundred and forty-four thousand sealed from every tribe of the sons of Israel. (Rev. 7:2-4)......( note...they only have the seal of God )
So these 144,000 are "sealed". And sealed is usually a term that means saved. ( Eph 1:13, 4:30....2Cor 1:22 )
Why are these 144,000 chosen to be sealed?  It is these who place their faith in Jesus when He appears in the sky, prior to the Rapture.
In Rev 14, we see them again....
Then I looked, and behold, on Mount Zion stood the Lamb, and with him 144,000 who had his name and his Father’s name written on their foreheads . . . These have been redeemed from mankind as first fruits for God and the Lamb, (Rev. 14:1,4)
Now we see that they have the name of Jesus and the name of God the Father written on their foreheads.
And we are also told that these are redeemed from mankind as "first fruits". They are saved at this point.
It is the first fruits of the harvest that BEGINS when the fullness of the gentiles has come in; the moment after the partial hardening has been lifted.......they can then come to faith.
Lest you be wise in your own sight, I do not want you to be unaware of this mystery, brothers: a partial hardening has come upon Israel, until the fullness of the Gentiles has come in.  And in this way all Israel will be saved, as it is written, The Deliverer will come from Zionhe will banish ungodliness from Jacob” (Rom. 11:25-26)
The "fullness of the gentiles has come in" is a harvest term, the "gathering in" of the crop. So, after the full number of the gentiles to be harvested have been saved, it is only then that the "first fruits" of the Jewish harvest would begin. In ancient Israel, the first fruit offerings were given to God, with a "pledge" that the rest of the harvest would come in.
All of Israel is not saved when Jesus comes on the clouds....(Rev 6:16, Rev 1:7, Matt 24:30, Mark 13:26 )
The prophet Joel says that prior to Jesus coming on the clouds, God will send His Spirit in the form of dreams and visions....
And it shall come to pass afterward, that I will pour out my Spirit on all flesh; your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, your old men shall dream dreams, and your young men shall see visions. (Joel 2:28)
This will be a mighty move of the Holy Spirit, and will prepare the apostate remnant for what comes next....
And I will show wonders in the heavens and on the earth, blood and fire and columns of smoke.  The sun shall be turned to darkness and the moon to blood, before the great and awesome day of the Lord comes.  (Joel 2:30-31)
After the great move of the Spirit of grace depicted in Joel 2:28 and Zech. 12:10 comes the Celestial Earthly Disturbance, the sixth seal of Rev. 6:12-15 and Matt. 24:29.
Joel continues.....
And it shall come to pass that everyone who calls on the name of the Lord shall be saved. For in Mount Zion and in Jerusalem there shall be those who escape, as the Lord has said, and among the survivors shall be those whom the Lord calls. (Joel 2:32)
Now we look at the testimony of Revelation.....
The 6th seal is opened and we see the Celestial Earthly Disturbance.....Rev 6: 12-14,  Math 24:29, Joel 2: 30-31
Jesus is seen coming on the clouds and all the tribes of the earth will mourn.......Rev 6: 15-17, Math 24: 29-30, Rev 1:7
The 144,000 are then sealed. They call upon the Lord....Rev 7: 1-8, Joel 2: 32
This small group of first fruits of the Jewish remnant is then raptured into heaven with the saints of all ages....Rev 7: 9-17
They escape the "Day of the Lord"....Joel 2:32
This then fulfills the ancient prophecy from Isaiah....
In that day the Lord will start his threshing from the flowing stream of the Euphrates to the brook of Egypt, and you will be gathered up one by one, O sons of Israel. It will come about also in that day that a great trumpet will be blown, and those who were perishing in the land of Assyria and who were scattered in the land of Egypt will come and worship the Lord in the holy mountain at Jerusalem. (Isa. 27:12-13)
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So, this is all scriptural. Nothing here is of my own opinion or interpretation.
I have yet to find ANY scripture that supports the notion that the 144,000 of Rev 7 will evangelize the world, or that they will be sealed before or at the beginning of the tribulation. 

I said the Rev14 will evangelize the world and that they the 144,000 of Rev7 will be sealed through what is coming and is at hand. The rev.14 and rev.7 I said are the two covenants and will be under one house. The Rev7 will hold to this NEW Song. The New Song is the EVERLASTING Gospel taught in a New way. It is not in a way you or ANY denomination has heard it- or spoken of. It can be revealed now because it is time and there will be NO stopping it. Though the dragon stands before the Woman to devour the Male Child Rev.12, the Male child will be brought forth who was caught up to God's throne and to His rest and who took the Ark of His strength with Him. And He will take the 144,000 of Rev.14 with Him in the same way. Read carefully, you are stating things I never said. But the 144,000 of Rev7 will proclaim these truths all must , no one puts a light under the measure but upon the mantle that all may see.

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17 minutes ago, Hadasa said:

 

I said the Rev14 will evangelize the world

Hi Hadasa....

The 144,000 are sealed AFTER the 6th seal. 

AFTER the 6th seal is the Resurrection, Rapture of the righteous in Christ. Then comes the Day of the Lord, the Day of His Wrath, a year long event. The 7th seal then opens up the Lamentations and Woes of God's Wrath, the trumpets and seals.

There is no time for the 144,000 to declare the gospel to the world. 

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13 minutes ago, Daniel 11:36 said:

Then comes the Day of the Lord, the Day of His Wrath, a year long event"

 

Scriptures please

 

Isa 34:8.......For it is the day of the Lord's vengeance, and the year of recompences for the controversy of Zion.

Isa 61:2......To proclaim the acceptable year of the Lord, and the day of vengeance of our God; to comfort all that mourn;

Isa 63:4......For the day of vengeance is in mine heart, and the year of my redeemed is come.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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"For the day of vengeance is in mine heart, and the year of my redeemed is come"

 

Your answer is peace meal and not inclusive .... the day of the Lord will begin with the 70th week decreed for Israel, and from then on

The 70th week will begin in Revelation chapter 8 and end in Revelation chapter 19 .... all of the judgments will be from the Lord

Then He will gather all of the people who are left upon the earth and begin His 1000 year millennial kingdom upon the earth

Edited by Daniel 11:36

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4 hours ago, Hadasa said:

Then you have a problem with the Word! Learn the meaning of semantics.

se·man·tics
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noun: semantics; noun: logical semantics; noun: lexical semantics

Nice dodge, but the burden of proof rests with you.

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On 6/19/2018 at 5:13 AM, brujaq said:

Let me ask that previous question another way .. When Jesus feet hits the Mt of Olive to defeat all the enemies gathered against Israel is that his second return or his third and what part of the end time is that ? Plus are we taken up to be with him forever then on the way to the battle of Armageddon ? I'm thinking between mid and and post trib . I don't know

Hi brujaq

Jesus only comes once, and first only "appears" in the sky during the war of man against man in Israel.  This appearing stops that war.  They all "gather" at "Meggido" to prepare war against the Lamb now.  Jesus then descends on to the Mt of Olives where his feet touches the ground.  This is to lure the armies to come down from Meggido towards his direction.  They come down from the West and East surrounding the City of Jerusalem but with their faces towards the Mt of Olives where Christ is (East of the city)

* East down through the Valley of Jehoshaphat (Kidron Valley)

* West  down through the Hinnom Valley.
 

Jesus comes down to the Mount of Olives with "ten thousands of his saints", ...not "hundreds of thousands", of them, or "millions" of them, but coming down with his elect only, the firstfruits. (Zech 14:4, Jude 1:14, Rev 14:1)  The rest will be gathered shortly after.

 

 Jeremiah 31:40   And the whole valley of the dead bodies, and of the ashes, and all the fields unto the brook of Kidron, unto the corner of the horse gate toward the east, shall be holy unto the LORD; it shall not be plucked up, nor thrown down any more for ever.

 

Joel 3:12   Let the heathen be wakened, and come up to the valley of Jehoshaphat: for there will I sit to judge all the heathen round about.

 

 Jeremiah 7:32   Therefore, behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that it shall no more be called Tophet, nor the valley of the son of Hinnom, but the valley of slaughter: for they shall bury in Tophet, till there be no place.

 

Joel 2:20   But I will remove far off from you the northern army, and will drive him into a land barren and desolate, with his face toward the east sea, (Dead Sea) and his hinder part toward the utmost sea, (Mediterranean Sea) and his stink shall come up, and his ill savour shall come up, because he hath done great things.

 

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On 7/13/2018 at 3:02 AM, JoeCanada said:

Hi Hadasa....

The 144,000 are sealed AFTER the 6th seal. 

AFTER the 6th seal is the Resurrection, Rapture of the righteous in Christ. Then comes the Day of the Lord, the Day of His Wrath, a year long event. The 7th seal then opens up the Lamentations and Woes of God's Wrath, the trumpets and seals.

There is no time for the 144,000 to declare the gospel to the world. 

Hi JoeCanada

The 144K are sealed before the 6th seal. 

Revelation 7:3   Saying, Hurt not the earth, neither the sea, nor the trees, till we have sealed the servants of our God in their foreheads.

All the trumpets and the vials start at the 6th seal.  They are sealed before the plagues come.

The 7th Seal is when Christ judges the nations (only one day).  This is the 7th trump, the last trump.

 

 Revelation 16:17   And the seventh angel poured out his vial into the air; and there came a great voice out of the temple of heaven, from the throne, saying, It is done.

 

 Revelation 10:7   But in the days of the voice of the seventh angel, when he shall begin to sound, the mystery of God should be finished, as he hath declared to his servants the prophets.

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Revelation 14:3   And they sung as it were a new song before the throne, and before the four beasts, and the elders: and no man could learn that song but the hundred and forty and four thousand, which were redeemed from the earth.

 

This song is the Old and New Testament.  They whole lot they were given.  They were given this before their resurrection.  The whole truth.  It's not new, because they've been singing it the whole time, so they sang it as if it was new.  They are glorifying, praising the Lord.

 

Revelation 15:3   And they sing the song of Moses the servant of God, and the song of the Lamb, saying, Great and marvellous are thy works, Lord God Almighty; just and true are thy ways, thou King of saints.

 

 

 

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