SmoothRiverFlow Posted June 4, 2018 Group: Members Followers: 1 Topic Count: 10 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 11 Content Per Day: 0.01 Reputation: 5 Days Won: 0 Joined: 05/30/2018 Status: Offline Share Posted June 4, 2018 I have a relative who is interested in the Calvinistic point of view. From what I understand, this perspective tells us that God chooses who will or will not be saved. This would infer that we do not have freewill, because God gives you the faith of belief and not of ourselves. Can some people believe with all their heart that they are Christians and saved, even though God has not chosen them, according the the Calvinistic point of view? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frienduff thaylorde Posted June 4, 2018 Group: Mars Hill Followers: 17 Topic Count: 18 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 13,256 Content Per Day: 5.35 Reputation: 1 Days Won: 62 Joined: 07/07/2017 Status: Offline Birthday: 03/25/1972 Share Posted June 4, 2018 My advice is research calvin. And by that I mean the way he ran things was very non christain . An example . Say I came and taught doctrine but at the same time I had men killed . Would you THINK I followed Christ . IF I had anyone killed for any reason , I would be no follower of Christ . We don't need this extra doctrinal stuff. All we need to KNOW is JESUS saves , IF you believe in HIM from the heart , confess him with the mouth . You saved . Don't worry about things or concern ourselves with things TOO HIGH for us . Just keep it simple . JESUS saves, KEEP that message , tell it to all and feast on sound bible doctrine by which one is made wise unto salvation through faith in Christ . Lets just keep it simple . 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
warrior12 Posted June 4, 2018 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 5 Topic Count: 53 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 2,411 Content Per Day: 0.88 Reputation: 1,508 Days Won: 0 Joined: 10/05/2016 Status: Offline Share Posted June 4, 2018 (edited) 1 hour ago, SmoothRiverFlow said: I have a relative who is interested in the Calvinistic point of view. From what I understand, this perspective tells us that God chooses who will or will not be saved. This would infer that we do not have freewill, because God gives you the faith of belief and not of ourselves. Can some people believe with all their heart that they are Christians and saved, even though God has not chosen them, according the the Calvinistic point of view? You have just phrased this question in a way that really points to Calvinism vs Arminianism debate, that has frustrated many saints. There are scriptures that points both ways and it all depends on the individual and how the Lord has spoken to him in his heart. This is how I address it anyways. Romans 3 King James Version (KJV) 9 What then? are we better than they? No, in no wise: for we have before proved both Jews and Gentiles, that they are all under sin; 10 As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one: 11 There is none that understandeth, there is none that seeketh after God. 12 They are all gone out of the way, they are together become unprofitable; there is none that doeth good, no, not one. 13 Their throat is an open sepulchre; with their tongues they have used deceit; the poison of asps is under their lips: 14 Whose mouth is full of cursing and bitterness: 15 Their feet are swift to shed blood: 16 Destruction and misery are in their ways: 17 And the way of peace have they not known: 18 There is no fear of God before their eyes. 19 Now we know that what things soever the law saith, it saith to them who are under the law: that every mouth may be stopped, and all the world may become guilty before God. Romans 10 King James Version (KJV) 9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved. 10 For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation. 11 For the scripture saith, Whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed. Edited June 4, 2018 by warrior12 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sower Posted June 4, 2018 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 14 Topic Count: 32 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 5,243 Content Per Day: 0.97 Reputation: 5,845 Days Won: 1 Joined: 07/09/2009 Status: Offline Share Posted June 4, 2018 51 minutes ago, Yowm said: What Calvinists will say is that man is free to choose..that is..he will choose according to His fallen nature which is totally depraved (as they say) and thus will reject God, and it therefore takes a divine intervention of God to save a person. They conclude therefore God must choose certain people to salvation otherwise all would be saved. I believe they overlook the power inherent in the Gospel message to quicken a person sufficiently to make a choice to either reject or accept Jesus Christ crucified for our sins. Calvinists would say only the elect can believe with all their heart and thus be saved. they overlook the power inherent in the Gospel message (the Word) to quicken a person sufficiently to make a choice Huge oversight! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest shiloh357 Posted June 4, 2018 Share Posted June 4, 2018 4 hours ago, SmoothRiverFlow said: I have a relative who is interested in the Calvinistic point of view. From what I understand, this perspective tells us that God chooses who will or will not be saved. This would infer that we do not have freewill, because God gives you the faith of belief and not of ourselves. Can some people believe with all their heart that they are Christians and saved, even though God has not chosen them, according the the Calvinistic point of view? The notion that God chooses who will or will not be saved is false teaching and does not exist in the whole of Scripture. The Bible says that God wants all men to be saved (I Tim. 2:4). He is not willing that anyone should perish but desires that all men come to repentance (II Pet. 3:9). The 'limited atonement' of Calvinism is false teaching, to be honest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SisterActs2 Posted June 4, 2018 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 23 Topic Count: 7 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 1,000 Content Per Day: 0.37 Reputation: 1,655 Days Won: 1 Joined: 11/27/2016 Status: Offline Birthday: 12/08/1950 Share Posted June 4, 2018 Shiloh you are absolutely right! Nothing more to add. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justin Adams Posted June 4, 2018 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 26 Topic Count: 61 Topics Per Day: 0.03 Content Count: 9,604 Content Per Day: 3.98 Reputation: 7,795 Days Won: 21 Joined: 09/11/2017 Status: Offline Share Posted June 4, 2018 9 hours ago, SmoothRiverFlow said: I have a relative who is interested in the Calvinistic point of view. From what I understand, this perspective tells us that God chooses who will or will not be saved. This would infer that we do not have freewill, because God gives you the faith of belief and not of ourselves. Can some people believe with all their heart that they are Christians and saved, even though God has not chosen them, according the the Calvinistic point of view? Welcome. Calvin was one sick puppy - enough said. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
enoob57 Posted June 4, 2018 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 35 Topic Count: 99 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 41,062 Content Per Day: 7.97 Reputation: 21,390 Days Won: 76 Joined: 03/13/2010 Status: Offline Birthday: 07/27/1957 Share Posted June 4, 2018 In order to hold judgment upon something -that thing (whatever) must have responsibility of being 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not me Posted June 4, 2018 Group: Royal Member Followers: 14 Topic Count: 512 Topics Per Day: 0.23 Content Count: 3,184 Content Per Day: 1.44 Reputation: 3,349 Days Won: 1 Joined: 04/06/2018 Status: Offline Share Posted June 4, 2018 Any teaching or doctrine that ascribes any evil to or in God, is a doctrine or teaching in error. For God is eternaly good, always has been, always will be. For He is perfect in all His ways. Much love in Christ, Not me 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wayne222 Posted June 4, 2018 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 32 Topic Count: 475 Topics Per Day: 0.17 Content Count: 6,556 Content Per Day: 2.29 Reputation: 7,634 Days Won: 9 Joined: 06/12/2016 Status: Offline Share Posted June 4, 2018 It takes the holy spirit to draw someone to God. But men can resist the holy spiritm. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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