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1 hour ago, iamlamad said:

When you start out with the first seal is the wrath, which is error, why go on? You have it wrong. If the first seal is God's wrath, then the 5th seal is His wrath and it is GOD causing the martyrs: He is killing his own children in His wrath. This is of course silly: God LOVES His kids and would never make them martyrs due to His wrath.  (HOWEVER: those that are left behind will not only face God's wrath (no water to drink) but will also face Satan's wrath.)

The error of course is all yours. Jesus opens the Seal.........LIGHT-SWITCH ON !! God is perfect in His Symmetry. Jesus releases the Anti-Christ to go forth Conquering and to Conquer on a WICKED PEOPLE, the Church is already in Heaven, God protects the Jews that Repent in Petra/Wilderness. The 5th Seal is a Testimony as to why Gods Wrath escalates via the Supernatural events that take place at the 6th Seal. The Seals being Gods Wrath on mankind. The Remnant Church that dies tarried to long and thus missed the Rapture, they are the 5 Virgins that missed the Wedding, the Door will be **** on them, they will suffer from he Beasts dictates, just like Christians died all through the ages, the difference is the last 3.5 year of the 70th Week is Gods Wrath. Those Christians (Remnant Church who came to Christ after the Rapture) who missed the Rapture will be caught up in it because they did not take are of their business, they did not have enough OIL (Holy Spirit) in their Lamp. 

The Beast will have killed most of the Remnant Church by the 5th Seal. Its still Gods Wrath at mankind. God ordered Lot to LEAVE, if he had not of left he would have been destroyed, but he would have still been raised a the end because of his Faith in God. 

1 hour ago, iamlamad said:

How amazing: John starts the 42 months of the Beast in chapter 13, after the Midpoint of the week at the 7th trumpet, but YOU insist it starts with the first seal! Sorry, friend, but you are miles from the truth.  Again far off for those living in Judea begin to flea in 12:6 a moment after the 7th trumpet  marks the midpoint.  

 

Rev. 13 is a Parenthetical Citation. Its not a Real Time Event. PERIOD. Rev. 12 is also a Parenthetical Citation.

1 hour ago, iamlamad said:

 Your 75 days and 1335 are also miles off.  The two witnesses will be testifying all during the days of GT when the beast is deceiving the world.  That is when they will be needed on earth as witnesses. Since you are not following the script, if I were you I would give up and start over.

 

You just don't understand it, that has zero to do with the facts per se.

1 hour ago, iamlamad said:

Just so you know, there will be 1260 days from the 7th trumpet midpoint to the 7th vial end of the week.

There will also be an extra 30 days taking some event to the 1290th day after the midpoint. 

And then another event another 45 days after that!  These two unknown events come AFTER THE WEEK has finished!

I do not believe in bogus stories. There are 1260 days from the First Seal, which is the Anti-Christ. The 1290 is the AoD, so says Daniel ch. 12. Thus the 1335 is the Two-witnesses. 

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On 7/30/2018 at 10:15 PM, Revelation Man said:

The error of course is all yours. Jesus opens the Seal.........LIGHT-SWITCH ON !! God is perfect in His Symmetry. Jesus releases the Anti-Christ to go forth Conquering and to Conquer on a WICKED PEOPLE, the Church is already in Heaven, God protects the Jews that Repent in Petra/Wilderness. The 5th Seal is a Testimony as to why Gods Wrath escalates via the Supernatural events that take place at the 6th Seal. The Seals being Gods Wrath on mankind. The Remnant Church that dies tarried to long and thus missed the Rapture, they are the 5 Virgins that missed the Wedding, the Door will be **** on them, they will suffer from he Beasts dictates, just like Christians died all through the ages, the difference is the last 3.5 year of the 70th Week is Gods Wrath. Those Christians (Remnant Church who came to Christ after the Rapture) who missed the Rapture will be caught up in it because they did not take are of their business, they did not have enough OIL (Holy Spirit) in their Lamp. 

The Beast will have killed most of the Remnant Church by the 5th Seal. Its still Gods Wrath at mankind. God ordered Lot to LEAVE, if he had not of left he would have been destroyed, but he would have still been raised a the end because of his Faith in God. 

Rev. 13 is a Parenthetical Citation. Its not a Real Time Event. PERIOD. Rev. 12 is also a Parenthetical Citation.

You just don't understand it, that has zero to do with the facts per se.

I do not believe in bogus stories. There are 1260 days from the First Seal, which is the Anti-Christ. The 1290 is the AoD, so says Daniel ch. 12. Thus the 1335 is the Two-witnesses. 

You got one tiny thing almost right! I say almost. God will sort of release the antichrist because it is the departing of the church (rapture) (the one restraining taken out of the way) that allows the man of sin to be revealed. Up to the time of the rapture, the Holy Spirit will be restraining Him through the church  - His body on the earth.

Why don't you recognize 11:4-13 as parenthetical?  It is. You might as well believe it.  And you are totally mistaken about chapter 12. Only the first five  verses are written as a parenthesis. Do you not understand that the fleeing, as shown in 12:6 will be REALTIME and will be a second or two after the abomination?  And then the war in heaven will also be REAL TIME and will begin with the 7th trumpet sounding.

The "remnant" church is not mentioned until chapter 12! That is after the midpoint! It is the CHURCH, the body of Christ, that is being martyred at the 5th seal, for the rapture will not take place until the next seal. From the 7th seal opening and starting of the 70th week, only a remnant who love Jesus will be left. 

If I were you, I would change your title. You are mistaken on almost every point.

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On 6/7/2018 at 6:28 PM, Brother Duke said:

I think the 1st half of the 70th week is over and was completed when Christ died and was resurrected.

I believe the 2 witnesses start just before the great tribulation begins or near the beginning.  

I think they witness during the reign of the man of sin.  Then they are killed and resurrected at the end with the dead in Christ. 

The 70th week is in Revelation 11, represented in the first three verses.     The first half the 1260 days.   The 42 months the second half.     

The 70th week is in Revalation 12, the 1260 days, then the war in the second heaven, then the time, times, half time the second half.

 

Revelation 11 is the 7 years as related to the two witnesses.

Revelation 12 is the 7 years as related to Israel.

 

In Daniel 9, there are two gaps.    Jesus is crucified.   Then a gap until 70 ad and the city and sanctuary (temple) destroyed.     Then another gap for the time of the gentiles,  around 2000 years, as the gospel is preached to the nations.

 

The 70th week is still ahead.   It begins when the person becomes the Antichrist, and confirms the Mt. Sinai covenant for the 7 year shmita cycle that Moses required of all future leaders of Israel in Deuteronomy 31:9-13.    The Jews will think the person is the messiah.    

The two witnesses will begin their testimony, prophesying against the person, that he will betray the Jewish people.    Which takes place when he commits the act of 2Thessalonians2:4, and later is killed for it and comes back alive as the beast.       Which the two witnesses battle against him, as the Jews flee to the mountains.

 

 

 

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On 6/5/2018 at 6:06 PM, Brother Duke said:

Here is a study I have been working on.

 

Woe, Woe, woe.

Revelation uses woes as markers or time stamps. The trumpets, seals and bowls are grouped within the 3 woes. The word Alas is translated from the same word in the Greek that is Woe. I have also noticed the great earthquake is always around the resurrection. There was a great earthquake when Christ was resurrected and there was an earthquake when the two witness were brought back to life.

Revelation 8:13 And I beheld, and heard an angel flying through the midst of heaven, saying with a loud voice, Woe, woe, woe, to the inhabiters of the earth by reason of the other voices of the trumpet of the three angels, which are yet to sound!



1st woe devil is cast out and tribulation starts.

Revelation 9:1 And the fifth angel sounded, and I saw a star fall from heaven unto the earth: and to him was given the key of the bottomless pit.

Revelation 12:12 Therefore rejoice, ye heavens, and ye that dwell in them. Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea! for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time.

Matthew 24:9 Then shall they deliver you up to be afflicted, and shall kill you: and ye shall be hated of all nations for my name's sake. 

Matthew 24:21 For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.




2nd woe resurrection/rapture. Babylon is judged.

Matthew 24:29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken: 30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. 31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

Revelation 9:12 One woe is past; and, behold, there come two woes more hereafter.

Revelation 11:14 The second woe is past; and, behold, the third woe cometh quickly.

Revelation 11:13 And the same hour was there a great earthquake, and the tenth part of the city fell, and in the earthquake were slain of men seven thousand: and the remnant were affrighted, and gave glory to the God of heaven.

Revelation 16:18 And there were voices, and thunders, and lightnings; and there was a great earthquake, such as was not since men were upon the earth, so mighty an earthquake, and so great.

Revelation 6:12 And I beheld when he had opened the sixth seal, and, lo, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood; 

Revelation 9:13 And the sixth angel sounded, and I heard a voice from the four horns of the golden altar which is before God,

Revelation 11:11 And after three days and an half the Spirit of life from God entered into them, and they stood upon their feet; and great fear fell upon them which saw them.

Revelation 18:10 Standing afar off for the fear of her torment, saying, Alas, alas, that great city Babylon, that mighty city! for in one hour is thy judgment come.

Revelation 18:16 And saying, Alas, alas, that great city, that was clothed in fine linen, and purple, and scarlet, and decked with gold, and precious stones, and pearls! 

Revelation 18:19 And they cast dust on their heads, and cried, weeping and wailing, saying, Alas, alas, that great city, wherein were made rich all that had ships in the sea by reason of her costliness! for in one hour is she made desolate.

Revelation 14:8 And there followed another angel, saying, Babylon is fallen, is fallen, that great city, because she made all nations drink of the wine of the wrath of her fornication.

Revelation 6:9 And when he had opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of them that were slain for the word of God, and for the testimony which they held




3rd woe God's wrath

Revelation 11:15 And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever. 

Revelation 11:18 And the nations were angry, and thy wrath is come, and the time of the dead, that they should be judged, and that thou shouldest give reward unto thy servants the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear thy name, small and great; and shouldest destroy them which destroy the earth.

Revelation 6::17 For the great day of his wrath is come; and who shall be able to stand?

With the 5th Trumpet - 1st Woe, the star John saw fall does represent Satan, but it's not the timing of his casting out of Rev.12:7-9. He is simply taking the key and opening the bottomless pit to let the locusts out.

The 5th trumpet - 1st woe period is a prep working by the locust army of the Book of Joel.

On the 6th trumpet - 2nd woe is when the casting down of the devil is per Rev.12:7-9. That specific hour, day, month, year is about the tribulation. It continues all the way to the 7th trumpet - 3rd woe in Revelation 11.

 

 

 

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On 8/18/2018 at 4:05 AM, Salty said:

With the 5th Trumpet - 1st Woe, the star John saw fall does represent Satan, but it's not the timing of his casting out of Rev.12:7-9. He is simply taking the key and opening the bottomless pit to let the locusts out.

The 5th trumpet - 1st woe period is a prep working by the locust army of the Book of Joel.

On the 6th trumpet - 2nd woe is when the casting down of the devil is per Rev.12:7-9. That specific hour, day, month, year is about the tribulation. It continues all the way to the 7th trumpet - 3rd woe in Revelation 11.

No, the 6th trumpet comes before the midpoint, and the war in heaven will be AT the midpoint. Two separate times.

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On 8/15/2018 at 12:01 AM, douggg said:

The 70th week is in Revelation 11, represented in the first three verses.     The first half the 1260 days.   The 42 months the second half.     

The 70th week is in Revalation 12, the 1260 days, then the war in the second heaven, then the time, times, half time the second half.

 

Revelation 11 is the 7 years as related to the two witnesses.

Revelation 12 is the 7 years as related to Israel.

 

In Daniel 9, there are two gaps.    Jesus is crucified.   Then a gap until 70 ad and the city and sanctuary (temple) destroyed.     Then another gap for the time of the gentiles,  around 2000 years, as the gospel is preached to the nations.

 

The 70th week is still ahead.   It begins when the person becomes the Antichrist, and confirms the Mt. Sinai covenant for the 7 year shmita cycle that Moses required of all future leaders of Israel in Deuteronomy 31:9-13.    The Jews will think the person is the messiah.    

The two witnesses will begin their testimony, prophesying against the person, that he will betray the Jewish people.    Which takes place when he commits the act of 2Thessalonians2:4, and later is killed for it and comes back alive as the beast.       Which the two witnesses battle against him, as the Jews flee to the mountains.

Except all five mentions of the 3 1/2 year period of time is for events starting at the midpoint and going to the END. That means NONE of the mentions of the 3 1/3 years, whether given in days or in months is to represent the first half of the week, as Douggg suggests.

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