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3 hours ago, Butero said:

I have most certainly mentioned the blood of Jesus.

In which believers can fall away and be lost forever, so His blood doesn't cover future sins?

You have the knowledge of His blood, but do you really know what it stands for? God bless.

3 hours ago, Butero said:

Your faith is in the god OSAS, your doctrine.  That is what you are believing and trusting in to save you.

No, OSAS faith is in the shed blood of Jesus Christ which is tangible in the hearts of believers.

Heb 4:12 For the word of God is alive and active. Sharper than any double-edged sword, it penetrates even to dividing soul and spirit, joints and marrow; it judges the thoughts and attitudes of the heart.

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2 hours ago, Yowm said:

We use to call that 'galvation'. lol


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5 hours ago, Butero said:

What in the world are you talking about?  Did you go back and read 4000 of my posts?  If you read my last 4000 posts, it would show what you said is a lie.  I have most certainly mentioned the blood of Jesus.  You continue to make the same error others like you have done.  You pit one book of the Bible against another, and choose which ones to hold to.  You accuse me of ignoring the writings of Paul, but you will ignore Matthew, James and Hebrews.  That is a bazaar thing to say, because Hebrews was written by Paul.  You are also having to ignore Peter and the writings of John, especially the book of 1 John, chapter 3.  Your post is full of errors, so there really isn't much more to say about it.  

You most certainly are working your way to heaven.  Your faith is in the god OSAS, your doctrine.  That is what you are believing and trusting in to save you.  So long as you believe in OSAS, you remain saved.  You may as well set up a graven image to OSAS.  

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On ‎6‎/‎14‎/‎2018 at 4:30 PM, Gideon said:

Do we not understand that this conflict.... flesh vs. Spirit  is not the state of a believer walking in his new nature. Does not Paul tell us in Romans 7:5:

”For when we were in the flesh, the motions of sins, which were by the law, did work in our members to bring forth fruit unto death.”

              Romans 7:5 

And again, in Romans 8, Paul follows up by telling us:

So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God. But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you.

 Therefore, brethren, we are debtors, not to the flesh, to live after the flesh. For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live.

                 Romans 8:8-13 

And it is this truth that we are being awakened to is these last days. There are not three options here..... flesh, Spirit and a mix to one degree or another of both. No, there are but two. We have been taught that we are slowly being transformed from old creatures to new ones, where we have less and less of our fleshly nature and more and more of our new victorious one. We have been taught wrong. 

We are either walking in the flesh or walking in the Spirit... I.e. the new man. If we are in the flesh, sin, to one degree or another, will reign over us. But praise God, if we are walking in the Spirit, we are told we owe the flesh nothing and that we will not fulfill the lusts of the flesh, amen? 

Ever since the early rain ended, Satan has been able to convince us through a watering down of the truth, that in this life we will never escape the grip of sin, nd that our flesh will always be present, like an anchoring keeping us from soaring as overcomers.  But our God’s salvation is far greater than any of us have ever believed, and in these last days, we will understand exactly who we are in Christ. We are new creatures, overcomers of the world, the flesh and the devil. We owe the flesh and sin that goes with it NOTHING, and as our faith grows to believe this, so will our victory. 

Those who are born again, are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit. 

We are not being transformed from old to new, but are being transformed into the image of Christ on a daily basis.  

We will always war against the flesh.  And sometimes, we win the battle and sometimes we don't.   Our sinful nature has not yet been eradicated.   We have victory over it because as believers we have overcome (I John 5: 4-5).   But that does not mean we never fail.  We are not prisoners to sin, but we still fail from time to time.   I am not an overcomer when I am not sinning.   I am an overcomer for no other reason than having put my faith in Jesus Christ.   


Is there security for the believer here? Absolutely! God can and will keep us from falling, just as He promised. Our shields of faith WILL quench all the fiery arrows Satan throws at us. And when we are tempted, not only will He not allow us to be tempted above our ability to resist, and not only will He make a way of escape so that we do not give into it, He will also.... listen closely, steuggling saints.... He will also CAUSE US to take that way of escape.... every time! Now that is security!

You are misapplying that verse:  "There hath no temptation taken you but such as is common to man: but God is faithful, who will not suffer you to be tempted above that ye are able; but will with the temptation also make a way to escape, that ye may be able to bear it." (1Co 10:13)

The word for "temptation"  in that verse refers to testing and trials.   "Temptation" is not always referring to that spiritual  "tug" we feel toward sin.  Paul is saying that we will not suffer trials and testing above what we are able to endure, but will provide a  way of escape. 


if sin still rears it’s ugly head in our lives, and here I am talking willful sin that we know is wrong and do it anyway, we are being ignorant of the danger that comes from sin, where our hearts can be hardened to the point that  our faith is slowly turned into head knowledge.  There is great danger here. Sin.... willful sin... must go.

Willful sin...  As opposed to what?   All sin is willful.



Here is the question each one of us will have to answer in the days to come as the veil is pulled back to the truth that we are destined to walk totally victorious over the sins that once tripped us up time and again. And what is that question? 

Do we actually want to stop sinning?

Or do we see it too restrictive, infringing on our “free will”?  We have been clearly told that our God can and will cause us (His words, not mine) to will AND to do of His good pleasure. He has promised to insure we walk in true full obedience, abiding in Him all day every day. The only real question is..... does that appeal to us? It is one thing to say “I want such a walk but do not see how it is possible.” To you, God will move mountains to breathe  on your faith to see that you can believe it. But if your answer is “No thanks, even if it is possible”, great danger lurks. 


If you are arguing that as Christians should not sin and that our security rests in not sinning any longer, you are presenting a false doctrine not in the Bible.




Listen, our fleshly nature is a liar and a traitor. We cannot re-train it. We cannot discipline it. We cannot force it to be good. And we cannot kill it.  We have one option. One. We can reckon it dead by faith, believing that when Christ died, so did the old us. Our flesh can be very religious, it can appear to be quite good outwardly. But it is still flesh, and they that are in the flesh cannot please God. Cannot.

That is a hard pill to swallow. But it is truth, truth that will set us free indeed if we will humble ourselves and tell our God we NEED new natures. We NEED victory. We NEED to abide in Him, 24/7/365. Will we admit it, or will we dig in our heels and tell God that we need nothing and that we are walking totally pleasing to Him and see no need for anything more?

The answer to this critical question will be required of each one of us as we enter the valley of decision. May there not be one heart resisting the truth that Christ in us can do what we could never do. Victory over Saran is our birthright. We have wandered in the wilderness of unbelief far to long. The land of promis3 awaits us. Shall we not go in together? 

Many blessings to all, 



We have a sin nature and we will fail and stumble at times.  Even YOU  sin on a daily basis.

This is why our justification is by faith and not works.   This is why our justification doesn't depend on our sanctification.   You are trying to connect eternal security with sanctification, making our security conditional on where we are in the sanctification process at any given time.  Authentic Christians are not looking for a way to sin, are not desirous to live in sin. But we do fail at times and fortunately, God gave us a plan of salvation that we cannot mess up with our failures and shortcomings.   

As a Christian I have victory over sin and that victory was purchased for me.  It exists and operates independent of me and is based solely on the work and merits of Jesus Christ.   I am victorious over sin, even when I fail.  

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