Book of Genesis

[Gus]

2 hours ago, eileenhat said:

Tree of Life

The context is misguided here.  The "Tree of Life" references God's eternal lineage, ie. his family. 

Tree of Knowledge (holy spirit tells me "Learning" is correct translation:

Regarding "Tree of Knowledge":  There was no actual 'fruit' tree.  In fact, this so called "apple" did not exist.  Jewish rabbi's say what they ate was a wheat product*.

1.  *http://www.zoharebook.com/was-wheat-the-forbidden-fruit/

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Kabbalah Teaches That the Fruit Is Wheat

However, the deeper sources such as the Sefer HaYetzirah (the Book of Formation), the first book of the Kabbalah supposedly written by the patriarch Abraham, tells us something quite different. Rather than an apple, the produce of the tree was in fact wheat. This kabbalistic teaching is also found in the Babylonian Talmud where Rabbi Yehuda tells us that the fruit was wheat because it is only after a child begins to eat wheat that he gains the knowledge to distinguish himself from the rest of the world and speak calling his parents mother and father."

2.  *https://jewishaction.com/religion/jewish-law/whats-truth-apple-garden-eden/

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Classic Suggestions:
Chazal state that the Forbidden Fruit was one of following:

Wheat: The Gemara explains that children know how to say “Daddy” and “Mommy” only after beginning to consume grains. The Midrash says that when one lacks intelligence, others comment that he has not eaten wheat bread. These statements provide a basis for concluding that the “Tree of Knowledge” was actually wheat. The Midrash,1 however, raises an obvious question: the verse discusses the “Tree of Knowledge” (eitz); how does a wheat stalk resemble a tree? The response given is that in the Garden of Eden, wheat stalks resembled pillars as tall as cedars in Lebanon. The Talmud (Ketubot 111b) foretells that in the future, wheat stalks will appear gigantic once again. An alternative answer provided is that the word “eitz” in the Bible can refer to either tree or wood, and thus, in this context, it could have meant “wood,” referring to the stalk of the wheat. Such a usage of the word eitz is found in Sefer Yehoshua regarding flax (2:6; Shabbat2:3). Identifying the Forbidden Fruit as wheat is further supported by the similarity between the words chitah (wheat) and cheit (sin), alluding to the fact that this was the quintessential sin.

Wheat is not usually eaten raw. Did Chava actually produce bread? The Midrash implies that she did not, but rather the wheat stalks in the Garden of Eden gave forth finished bread. Adam’s punishment that “by the sweat of your brow you will eat bread” (Bereishit 3:19; cf. Berachot 58a) seems to support this idea by suggesting that post-sin, the acquisition of bread became significantly more difficult."

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Conclusion:

"Apple Tart"

God revealed to me that Eve ate a wheat product similar to an apple tart.

So here we have a family of God's living an eternal life where God instructs them solely.  He manages Adam's life but then his sole mate eats a fruit tart made by another "Tree" that exists on their earth.  Sounds like someone we do not know made this fruit treat (ie. apple) that entices with smell (yeast plus sugar entices the senses) to catch Eve's attention (ie. wants/desires).

Eve decided to join a tribe of people who used their hands and gained knowledge by learning that way.  We do not know what "joining" another "Tree" means.  Here we get into talking about the blood of the lamb etc.  God is also referencing "joining him" with the Lord's supper by eating of "Jesus" bread and drinking his blood.  So too in the Garden did Eve eat someone else's product and at this point we have to assume we do not know what changes that made in her.  

"Body Changes"

I did have a vision about the physical change of Eve.  But it did not come from eating the apple fruit tart made from wheat.  It had to do with her fall after God's pronouncement.  She became wrapped into a potato like root structure (spiritually) that became a living breathing earth family we know today as the human race.

Back then the only forms (beings) we are made aware of are Adam's, Eve's, an angel named Lucifer and God the Father (plus various family members like angels).  Other "trees" true identities are not discussed further.

"Farms"

Since there were no actual farms that Adam tended, we assume that the trees** he harvested where from these fruit tart producing "trees" or families of what we do not know about.  Since adam was not tending this one family of "trees of learning", we have to assume that this family did not service God.  Lucifer used this "family that taught itself" to tease Eve into addressing earthly desires (re: her eyes were opened).

Someone's comments about below that are interesting:

**https://hermeneutics.stackexchange.com/questions/27071/how-can-the-trees-in-eden-the-garden-of-god-be-literal-in-light-of-ezekiel-318?rq=1

Title: "How can the trees in Eden the garden of God be literal in light of Ezekiel 31:8-9, Isaiah 14, Isaiah 5, Psalm 80, etc? "

 

Well if you are going change scripture to say it wasn't an actual fruit but was an apple tart, then anything is game for being interpreted the way we want really isn't it? And does it matter anyway. Fruit? Tart? It's still the same effect.

[Guest shiloh357]

9 hours ago, Gus said:

Well he nuked a fully functioning world before (the flood), so why not previous to this?

There was no pre-Adamite earth before our current earth.   The Bible knows nothing of that and as I said earlier, the Hebrew grammar of Genesis 1 doesn't allow for a previous earth.

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20 hours ago, Gus said:

The sun and moon could be the first lights. When it comes to the 4th day, that seems to be about the stars, and the sun and moon are just being mentioned again to highlight that they separate day and night.

No the greater and lesser lights cannot be the Stars because in the verse the stars are mentioned as being other then the two lights..

Genesis 1:

16 "And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: he made the stars also."

He made the stars also meaning they where not the greater or lesser light.

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18 hours ago, eileenhat said:

Kabbalah Teaches That the Fruit Is Wheat

However, the deeper sources such as the Sefer HaYetzirah (the Book of Formation), the first book of the Kabbalah supposedly written by the patriarch Abraham, tells us something quite different. Rather than an apple, the produce of the tree was in fact wheat. This kabbalistic teaching is also found in the Babylonian Talmud where Rabbi Yehuda tells us that the fruit was wheat because it is only after a child begins to eat wheat that he gains the knowledge to distinguish himself from the rest of the world and speak calling his parents mother and father."

I don't believe any Christian should be reading or seeking to find out things about God from the kabbalah.....  It is not inspired scriptures.. far far far from it..

[other one]

13 hours ago, Adstar said:

I don't believe any Christian should be reading or seeking to find out things about God from the kabbalah.....  It is not inspired scriptures.. far far far from it..

I've studied the Kabbalah and I do believe it is inspired........  inspired by what, is the real question.

[frienduff thaylorde]

On ‎6‎/‎19‎/‎2018 at 8:16 PM, other one said:

I've studied the Kabbalah and I do believe it is inspired........  inspired by what, is the real question.

That buffalo ,  it looks entirely serious .    Not something we wanna play fetch with ,   or let the kiddies ride for fun .    And the thing is , I bet that buffalo knows  its boss of the plains .

[frienduff thaylorde]

What on earth is the kabbalah .    

[Behold]

48 minutes ago, frienduff thaylorde said:

What on earth is the kabbalah .    

 

The ancient Jewish tradition of mystical interpretation of the Bible

 

""""Generally speaking, Kabbalah is divided into three categories: the theoretical, which concerns itself primarily with the inner dimensions of reality; the spiritual worlds, souls, angels, and the like, and the meditative, where the goal is to train the person who is studying to reach higher elevated meditative states of consciousness and, perhaps, even a state of prophecy through employing the Divine names, letter permutations, and so forth. The third type of Kabbalah is the magical, which concerns itself with altering and influencing the course of nature. It also uses the Divine names, incantations, amulets, magical seals and various other mystical exercises. """""""

[frienduff thaylorde]

3 hours ago, Behold said:

 

The ancient Jewish tradition of mystical interpretation of the Bible

 

""""Generally speaking, Kabbalah is divided into three categories: the theoretical, which concerns itself primarily with the inner dimensions of reality; the spiritual worlds, souls, angels, and the like, and the meditative, where the goal is to train the person who is studying to reach higher elevated meditative states of consciousness and, perhaps, even a state of prophecy through employing the Divine names, letter permutations, and so forth. The third type of Kabbalah is the magical, which concerns itself with altering and influencing the course of nature. It also uses the Divine names, incantations, amulets, magical seals and various other mystical exercises. """""""

Now I got one more question .     Behold .     HOW do you think THIS makes     GOD FEEL .      OH,    I already know the answer .   But what do you think .

[frienduff thaylorde]

1 hour ago, Cletus said:

wheat dont grow on a tree.  so... no go on wheat. 

 

 

Cletus ,     THROW those hands up and PRAISE the LORD .     you loved Cletus .