The Olivet Discourse

[Last Daze]

6 minutes ago, Daniel 11:36 said:

This gathering will be of believing mortals who survived the tribulation period and they will enter and populate His millennial kingdom as mortals

Based on what scripture?  Or is that your opinion?

[Daniel 11:36]

"Are the Jews are going to be killed and hated by all nations because of the name of Jesus?  I don't think so.  It's clearly a message to Christians for the last days"

 

Yes they are .... 1/3 of the nation will turn to the Lord during the tribulation period [Zechariah 13:8-9]

You need to read all of the prophetic scriptures related to the 70th week decreed and not just a few

Edited June 14, 2018 by Daniel 11:36

[Willa]

Matt. 24-25.  When reading a passage we look to see who is being spoken to.  In this case the apostles are asking Jesus questions about the Temple and its destruction, the coming of the Son of Man, and the signs of the end of the age.  Jesus answers their question in the rest of the passage.

Mat 24:1   Jesus went out from the temple, and was going on his way. His disciples came to him to show him the buildings of the temple. Mat 24:2   But he answered them, “You see all of these things, don’t you? Most certainly I tell you, there will not be left here one stone on another, that will not be thrown down.”

Mat 24:3  As he sat on the Mount of Olives, the disciples came to him privately, saying, “Tell us, when will these things be? What is the sign of your coming, and of the end of the age?”

Jesus answers these questions: the first two of which pertain to the Temple, His coming again to Jerusalem, and to the end of the age.  The latter affects all of us but the first two questions were specific to Jerusalem.   

Often the principles of a message have universal applications, such as that we all should remain ready and expecting the Lord's return at any time.  We should be full of the Spirit and serving Him.  But it is true that any passage should be read in context.  

By the way, the earliest Christians were all Jewish believers.  

[Revelation Man]

2 hours ago, Last Daze said:

I don't see a rapture in Matthew 24:36-51 as you state.  Can you list the specific verse?  I do see the rapture as occurring in Matthew 24:31.

 

Well I gave the Scriptures brother, but I will oblige to go deeper, its what I do, but as a preacher sometime my explanations turn into 2 page theses ?

We are given the Matt. 24:1-6 Jesus to 70 AD Period via the Jews. We are then given the Disciples period where they get the Church off the ground and the 2000 year Church age which always has a few Messianic Jews in it even though God sees Israel as Dead Men's Bones. REMEMBER, these Disciples asked about the Events (Temples Destruction) Jesus spoke of, the Second Coming and the End of the World. So Jesus just covered the Jesus to 70 AD Period and the Church Age Period the Disciples were responsible for getting off the ground, then the GOSPEL MUST be Preached unto all the World and then THE END WILL COME.

Matt. 24:15-31 is the Tribulation and the Second Coming, that's is very obvious, Jesus is telling the Jews about Jacobs Troubles in the End Time. So the Second Coming is OVER, end of story, verses 32-35 is a parable of sorts, telling about all the Signs that have to be seen by the generation that will see the Second Coming. So that covers the Jews during the Tribulation period !! That covers basically every question they asked, EXCEPT ONE, Jesus has to cover the Messianic Jews that will be Raptured also, or he is not giving the Disciples their own fate and the fate of Messianic Jews, and of course Jesus has to tell this angle, BUT........this is supposed to only be given IN DETAIL unto Paul, so he gives this after he told of the Second Coming or Matthew just figured it was at the end times, he only gave the Rapture understanding unto Paul. This could go with the Matt. 25 Wedding Story. LETS LOOK AT IT: 

Matthew 24:36 But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only. 37 But as the days of Noah were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be. 38 For as in the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark, 39 And knew not until the flood came, and took them all away; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.

40 Then shall two be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left. 41 Two women shall be grinding at the mill; the one shall be taken, and the other left. 42 Watch therefore: for ye know not what hour your Lord doth come.

43 But know this, that if the goodman of the house had known in what watch the thief would come, he would have watched, and would not have suffered his house to be broken up. 44 Therefore be ye also ready: for in such an hour as ye think not the Son of man cometh. 45 Who then is a faithful and wise servant, whom his lord hath made ruler over his household, to give them meat in due season?

Lets look at verse 44 first, the Jews and ANYONE on earth will understand what is going on during the Tribulation, any Jew not dead will be protected by God in Petra, so Gods Protecting him, why must he worry about when the Lord is going to return? The Jews have been told very clearly they will be Protected in the Wilderness for 1260 days, it should be on a countdown clock !! If they weren't FAITHFUL SERVANTS via believing on Christ they would not be in Petra !!

Now as per verse 36, no man knows when Jesus is going to be sent back but God as per the Rapture. We all know after the Rapture when Jesus will return don't we ? 1260 days after the Beast conquers Jerusalem, it should be an EASY TELL, 7 Seals turn into 7 Trumpets and then we see Trees burn, Seas turn to blood, we see the 1st Woe and the 2nd Woe and the Two-witnesses die. Then we see the Vials go by one by one, the 6th Vial is all the Armies gathering at Armageddon, PLEASE TELL ME how everyone in the world doesn't know what is coming next? Its Jesus landing on Mt Zion !! NO ONE IS SURPRISED !! Come on guys, the Second Coming is not a SURPRISE nor can it be !! Verse 36 says you will not know the Day nor the hour, the Bible says we know the EXACT NUMBER OF DAYS the Beast Rules, 1260 Days.............. HEY, I NEED SOME SPLAINING HERE !! And that's just the Mathematical equation, the logic shows the same exact thing. 

Verse 37 says as in the Days of Noah so shall be the coming of Jesus (Son of Man) it then states before the Flood, they were EATING & DRINKING and giving in MARRIAGE until Noah entered the Ark, then the floods came and took them away, SO SHALL THE COMING of Jesus be. 

So were the people living in Noah's time partying and marrying during THE WRATH (Flood) ? Well of course not, so that has to mean the MARRYING and the EATING & DRINKING has to be before the Rapture, why would anyone think that JUST BEFORE THE Second Coming people on earth are going to be Drinkings, Partying, Marrying etc. etc ? NO !!! They are going to be dodging the Anti-Christ/Bowing unto him, dodging the Trumpet Judgments, dodging the Demons in Woe #1 and the 200 Million Angelic Army in Woe #2, the Boils via the Vials and all manner of Plagues, who could possibly think that just before Jesus Christ returns at the Second Coming people would have been Partying, Eating, Drinking and Marrying? NO WAY!! That can only be the Rapture, the PRE-TRIBULATION RAPTURE !! Amen. 

Then Jesus explains the Rapture Theory in verses 40-41, two will be in the field, ONE TAKEN and ONE LEFT.....two will be at the Grinding Mill, ONE TAKEN and ONE LEFT. The Rapture is this........All Christians will BE TAKEN.......THAT PREFERRED ONE who is a Christian. All non Christians will BE LEFT......THAT WICKED ONE who is not a Christian!

Finally verse 42 says, YOU KNOW NOT WHAT HOUR you Lord will come so BE READY. All the Christians (Remnant Christians who gave their lives into Christ AFTER the Rapture) will be dead at the Second Coming as will all the Jews who did not Flee unto Judea, all the Jews in Judea understand they have 1260 days to wait for Jesus' Second Coming. AMEN !! These Passages via Matthew 24:36-51 can ONLY BE about the Rapture.

Verse 31 is the Second Coming. 

 

Edited June 14, 2018 by Revelation Man

[Last Daze]

7 minutes ago, Revelation Man said:

why would anyone think that JUST BEFORE THE Second Coming people on earth are going to be Drinkings, Partying, Marrying etc. etc ?

Because the two witnesses are dead.  They even give each other gifts.

• And those who dwell on the earth will rejoice over them and celebrate; and they will send gifts to one another, because these two prophets tormented those who dwell on the earth.  Revelation 11:10

[Last Daze]

11 minutes ago, Revelation Man said:

Verse 31 is the Second Coming.

Agreed.  But doesn't it sound like the rapture too?

[Omegaman 3.0]

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Well I gave the Scriptures brother, but I will oblige to go  deeper, its what I do, but as a preacher sometime my explanations turn into 2 page theses ?

We are given the Matt. 24:1-6 Jesus to 70 AD Period via the Jews. We are then given the Disciples period where the get the Church off the ground and the Church age which always has a few Messianic Jews in it even though God sees Israel as Dead Men's Bones. REMEMBER, these Disciples asked about the Events Jesus spoke of, the Second Coming and the End of the World. So Jesus just covered the Jesus to 70 AD Period and the Church Age Period the Disciples were responsible for getting off the ground, then the GOSPEL MUST be Preached unto all the World and then THE END. 

Matt. 24:15-31 is the Tribulation and the Second Coming, that's is very obvious, Jesus is telling the Jews about Jacobs Troubles in the End Time. So the Second Coming is OVER, end of story, verses 32-35 is a parable of sorts, telling about all the Signs that have to be seen by the generation that will see the Second Coming. So that covers the Jews during the Tribulation period !! That covers basically every question they asked, EXCEPT ONE, Jesus has to cover the Messianic Jews that will be Raptured also, or he is not giving the Disciples their own fate and the fate of Messianic Jews, and of course Jesus has to tell this angle, BUT........this is supposed to only be given IN DETAIL unto Paul, so he gives this after he told of the Second Coming or Matt. just figured it was at the end times, he only gave the Rapture understanding unto Paul. This could go with the Matt. 25 Wedding Story. LETS LOOK AT IT: 

Matthew 24:36 But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only. 37 But as the days of Noah were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be. 38 For as in the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark, 39 And knew not until the flood came, andtook them all away; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.

40 Then shall two be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left. 41 Two women shall be grinding at the mill; the one shall be taken, and the other left. 42 Watch therefore: for ye know not what hour your Lord doth come.

43 But know this, that if the goodman of the house had known in what watch the thief would come, he would have watched, and would not have suffered his house to be broken up. 44 Therefore be ye also ready: for in such an hour as ye think not the Son of man cometh. 45 Who then is a faithful and wise servant, whom his lord hath made ruler over his household, to give them meat in due season?

Lets look at verse 44 first, the Jews and ANYONE on earth will understand what is going on during the Tribulation, any Jew not dead will be protected by God in Petra, so Gods Protecting him, why must he worry about when the Lord is going to return? The Jews have been told very clearly they will be Protected in the Wilderness for 1260 days, it should be on a countdown clock !! If they weren't FAITHFUL SERVANTS they would nit be in Petra !!

Now as per verses 36, no man knows when Jesus is going to be sent back but God as per the Rapture. We all know after the Rapture when Jesus will return, 1260 days after the Beast conquers Jerusalem, it should be an EASY TELL, 7 Seals turn into 7 Trumpets we see Trees burn, Seas turn to blood, we see the 1st Woe and the 2nd Woe and the Two-witnesses die. Then we see the Vials go by one by one, the 6th Vial is all the Armies gathering at Armageddon, PLEASE TELL ME how everyone in the world doesn't know what is coming next? Its Jesus landing on Mt Zion !! NO ONE IS SURPRISED !! Come on guys, the Second Coming is not a SURPRISE nor can it be !! Verse 36 says you will not know the Day nor the hour, the Bible says we know the EXACT NUMBER OF DAYS the Beast Rules, 1260 Days.............. HEY, I NEED SOME SPLAINING HERE !! And that's just the Mathematical equation, the logic shows the same exact thing. 

Verse 37 says as in the Days of Noah so shall be the coming of Jesus (Son of Man) it then states before the Flood, they were EATING & DRINKING and giving in MARRIAGE until Noah entered the Ark, then the floods came and took them away, SO SHALL THE COMING of Jesus be. 

So were the people living in Noah's time partying and marrying during THE WRATH (Flood) ? Well of course not, so that has to mean  the MARRYING and the EATING & DRINKING has to be before the Rapture, why would anyone think that JUST BEFORE THE Second Coming people on earth are going to be Drinkings, Partying, Marrying etc. etc ? NO !!! They are going to be dodging the Anti-Christ/Bowing unto him, dodging the Trumpet Judgments, the Demons in Woe #1 the 200 Million Angelic Army in Woe #2, the Boils via the Vials and all manner of Plagues, who could possibly think that just before Jesus Christ returns at the Second Coming people would have been Partying, Eating, Drinking and Marrying? NO WAY !! That can only be the Rapture, the PRE-TRIBULATION RAPTURE !! Amen. 

Then Jesus explains the Rapture Theory in verses 40-41, two will be in the field, ONE TAKEN and ONE LEFT.....two will be at the Grinding Mill, ONE TAKEN and ONE LEFT. The Rapture is this........All Christians will BE TAKEN.......THAT ONE who is a Christian. All non Christians will BE LEFT......THAT ONE who is not a Christian!

Finally verse 42 says, YOU KNOW NOT WHAT HOUR you Lord will come so BE READY. All the Christians will be dead at the Second Coming as will all the Jews who did not Flee unto Judea, all the Jews in Judea understand they have 1260 days to wait for Jesus' Second Coming. AMEN !! These Passages via Matthew 24:36-51 can ONLY BE about the Rapture.

Verse 31 is the Second Coming. 

Wow, there is SO Much wrong with the above post, it would take more time to unravel, than I have time for right now, but maybe later. In the mean time, maybe someone else will save me the trouble!

[Daniel 11:36]

"Then Jesus explains the Rapture Theory in verses 40-41, two will be in the field, ONE TAKEN and ONE LEFT.....two will be at the Grinding Mill, ONE TAKEN and ONE LEFT. The Rapture is this........All Christians will BE TAKEN.......THAT ONE who is a Christian. All non Christians will BE LEFT......THAT ONE who is not a Christian!"

 

Again, all of Matthew 24 is a focus upon Israel in the Middle East

One taken and the other left speaks of a separation in Israel of Israelites, not the church

[Revelation Man]

45 minutes ago, Daniel 11:36 said:

"Then Jesus explains the Rapture Theory in verses 40-41, two will be in the field, ONE TAKEN and ONE LEFT.....two will be at the Grinding Mill, ONE TAKEN and ONE LEFT. The Rapture is this........All Christians will BE TAKEN.......THAT ONE who is a Christian. All non Christians will BE LEFT......THAT ONE who is not a Christian!"

 

Again, all of Matthew 24 is a focus upon Israel in the Middle East

One taken and the other left speaks of a separation in Israel of Israelites, not the church

So you don't think any Jews will be Raptured brother? Touche...........that's my point brother. He gave them all the Answers, but he only explained the Rapture unto Paul, the Disciple of the Gentile.

[Revelation Man]

1 hour ago, Last Daze said:

Because the two witnesses are dead.  They even give each other gifts.

• And those who dwell on the earth will rejoice over them and celebrate; and they will send gifts to one another, because these two prophets tormented those who dwell on the earth.  Revelation 11:10

That is not what Matthew 24 is referring to Brother, its going to sink in one day, all the facts are slanted against you, it Might be when you are flying through the Air in SPIRIT FORM, I hope they put you in between me and Daniel 11:36 ? We are both going to be chanting ZOOM, ZOOM, ZOOM whose u daddy !! 

1 hour ago, Last Daze said:

Agreed.  But doesn't it sound like the rapture too?

No, there are a few reasons. 

1. The Rapture has already happened.

2. Why go the meet Jesus just to come straight back down.

3. How can we be married to Christ in our Marriage Chambers, then Return with Christ without a Rapture?  (Rev. 19)

4. The Jews are the Wheat who remain on earth with the Wicked. We are Raptured. 

5. It sounds like the Rev. ch. 19 return of Jesus and his Bride to the Marriage Supper. (Armageddon)

 

God Bless brother. 

Edited June 14, 2018 by Revelation Man