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On 6/16/2018 at 8:18 PM, DaughterOfAKing said:

I'll try to make this as brief as possible.

A little under two years ago, I started talking to a colleague at work. At first, I was just simply attracted to his appearance but the more we started talking, the more my feelings developed. He comes from a Catholic background, he goes clubbing, drinks and he smokes marijuana. I can always resist the temptation to go clubbing (or pubbing should I say) but when I have been invited and I know he'll be there, I'll instantly agree to tag along. I left my job, the autumn of last year, he attended my leaving do and we were inseparable for the night, outside in the smoking area (I don't smoke by the way), next to each other in photos and on the dancefloor. 

I secured and left three positions after this job in question but I ended up returning to this same company office, a little over a week ago. The only difference is, I am now working in another department. My main problem is, I cannot stop thinking about him, he is constantly on my mind. I'm a little confused, I understand that God has a reason for everything he does but I don't understand why/how I ended back at the same company for my crush to resume. 

I understand that we must not be unequally yoked, in my mind as I am sure some believers have been in my position, I'm hopeful that he his relationship with God will blossom. I'm about 75% sure that the feeling is mutual (maybe not to my extent but there is some certainty he may feel the same way) I have prayed on it but what else should I do?

Was following all the responses, after reading your original Post, Sister.

You know, when we have deep and tender feelings for someone as you are describing, ...you can call it a crush......its very powerful......Its can be life altering and become an obsession.   It possible to go to bed thinking about it, then dream about it, then wake up and its all you think about all day...

And when we can get no relief or closure from our feelings, our desires, then this can be such a battle inside us, where we know what is right, and we see what is wrong, and we clearly comprehend the consequences, yet, we are just twisted into a knot with all these feelings that just persist and drive and demand.

Truly, Sister, the only way you could have resolved this so that you were not taken so deep within your feelings, was to let it go, in the beginning..   Stop it at the start.

You didnt, and believers seldom do.... and now this passion has become quite consuming, and you are in the middle and its very hard to let it go.   At this point, it has you, more then you have it.

I realize that when a person, a sister in the Lord comes to this forum, or any  Christian forum, there is always the tendency to start throwing  scriptures around and posting what might be more condemning  then actually helpful to you..      So, when i read what DavidA wrote to you, i was satisfied that you were given a perfect answer, upon first response.

Sometimes, Sister, you dont need someone to beat you with a Bible, as you are already beaten up emotionally by the situation.....What you need is to know that its all going to be ok.....and it will.

So,  if  we were in my office and we were talking this through, i would just suggest that you continue to realize that unless this person becomes a believer and follower in and of Yeshua, Jesus The Lord,  then any hope of you and them being happy together will not work, as light and dark do not make a happy romance, and certainly not a happy marriage...

And the other thing is this..... What is being harmed in you is not just feelings that you can't allow or release, but, your time is being stolen from you, by you being so consumed with this issue, and that is the devil.  As if he can't get you wrapped up with this person, in real life, then he'll happily keep providing you with situations with this person where your feelings keep getting stimulated (triggered) again so that you stay within a sort of perpetual emotional frustration, with the end result being,......."how much time have you spent and wasted on this situation"......as the Devil will gladly help you waste a few more years.....  He's all for it.

 

God bless,

 

 

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3 hours ago, Behold said:

Was following all the responses, after reading your original Post, Sister.

You know, when we have deep and tender feelings for someone as you are describing, ...you can call it a crush......its very powerful......Its can be life altering and become an obsession.   It possible to go to bed thinking about it, then dream about it, then wake up and its all you think about all day...

And when we can get no relief or closure from our feelings, our desires, then this can be such a battle inside us, where we know what is right, and we see what is wrong, and we clearly comprehend the consequences, yet, we are just twisted into a knot with all these feelings that just persist and drive and demand.

Truly, Sister, the only way you could have resolved this so that you were not taken so deep within your feelings, was to let it go, in the beginning..   Stop it at the start.

You didnt, and believers seldom do.... and now this passion has become quite consuming, and you are in the middle and its very hard to let it go.   At this point, it has you, more then you have it.

I realize that when a person, a sister in the Lord comes to this forum, or any  Christian forum, there is always the tendency to start throwing  scriptures around and posting what might be more condemning  then actually helpful to you..      So, when i read what DavidA wrote to you, i was satisfied that you were given a perfect answer, upon first response.

Sometimes, Sister, you dont need someone to beat you with a Bible, as you are already beaten up emotionally by the situation.....What you need is to know that its all going to be ok.....and it will.

So,  if  we were in my office and we were talking this through, i would just suggest that you continue to realize that unless this person becomes a believer and follower in and of Yeshua, Jesus The Lord,  then any hope of you and them being happy together will not work, as light and dark do not make a happy romance, and certainly not a happy marriage...

And the other thing is this..... What is being harmed in you is not just feelings that you can't allow or release, but, your time is being stolen from you, by you being so consumed with this issue, and that is the devil.  As if he can't get you wrapped up with this person, in real life, then he'll happily keep providing you with situations with this person where your feelings keep getting stimulated (triggered) again so that you stay within a sort of perpetual emotional frustration, with the end result being,......."how much time have you spent and wasted on this situation"......as the Devil will gladly help you waste a few more years.....  He's all for it.

 

God bless,

 

 

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Wow, you and @Davida have been little gems, I mean you all have been but the last two posts have thoroughly touched me. In a way, I was aware of what you were saying in regards to how the devil plays games, sometimes it's just hearing it from other people that can create an impact.

God bless you both.

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5 hours ago, Billiards Ball said:

It's not just mutual feelings or unequal yoking here. If he was a Christian, born again, I'd say, "Bad company corrupts good morals, why date a drinker who goes clubbing and smokes pot?" Even if this fellow was saved, he's need to be more mature to date my daughter...

I completely understand where you're coming from, I guess I was making excuses to enlighten the situation. Excuses being that I am in a way just as bad, I struggle with honesty at times, impatience, anger (frustration may be a more appropriate term) and lust. You could say I was looking at it in the way of, "God sees all sin the same." Now that I am actually reflecting on this by writing it down, I see how incredibly silly my logic and reasoning is. 

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16 hours ago, DaughterOfAKing said:

I completely understand where you're coming from, I guess I was making excuses to enlighten the situation. Excuses being that I am in a way just as bad, I struggle with honesty at times, impatience, anger (frustration may be a more appropriate term) and lust. You could say I was looking at it in the way of, "God sees all sin the same." Now that I am actually reflecting on this by writing it down, I see how incredibly silly my logic and reasoning is. 

Good! You can see the way out now, better, because you are Daughter of a King! This relationship has to return to friends status (friends without ANY "benefits" of any kind!) until or if he repents and becomes a whole person. You need a whole, independent Christian to love.

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Hi DaughterOfAKing!

I'm glad your picking up on the great advice here, simply to add these verses you already knew about in your original post!

2Corinthians 6:14-18  Be ye not unequally yoked together with unbelievers: for what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? and what communion hath light with darkness?  (15)  And what concord hath Christ with Belial? or what part hath he that believeth with an infidel?  (16)  And what agreement hath the temple of God with idols? for ye are the temple of the living God; as God hath said, I will dwell in them, and walk in them; and I will be their God, and they shall be my people.  (17)  Wherefore come out from among them, and be ye separate, saith the Lord, and touch not the unclean thing; and I will receive you,  (18)  And will be a Father unto you, and ye shall be my sons and daughters, saith the Lord Almighty.

That being said, a few "real life" examples of a few marriages I've witnessed over the years, with one "Saved" and one not.
All of these couples with the exception of the young woman, knew what they were getting into. The young woman knew of these verses, but was fooled for a short season:

1. A Christian woman marries an unsaved man, figuring she will "get him saved" yet knowing good and well what the good Lord had to say on the matter. 25 years later, they are still together, he still is not saved. He commits adultery on her regularly. For now she is still married, and continues to pray for him.

2. Young Christian woman, 18, knows very little of the Lord, yet knows when she marries, that the man "should be" a Christian. For a short time dates an "UN-saved" man who would love to have her for a good time... So, still as an Un-Saved man, he professes to a Preacher he is now "Saved," and even gets baptized. Yet, as a false convert, he was just a dry sinner, coming up a wet one... A divorce follows a short time later when she comes home early one day, with another woman in their bedroom...

3. Christian woman marries an unsaved man, figuring she will "get him saved" yet knowing good and well what the good Lord had to say on the matter. 40 years into there marriage, and he still is not Saved. Their marriage has been a tough one, I prayed for them a number of times, and witnessed to the man of our glorious Savior Jesus Christ one day. Nothing but a cold "I know better than you" smile on his part. He dies. And unless he had a "death bed conversion," he goes on to an eternity in Hell.

I could go on with several others I know of, but I hope this too will give you some reflection.

DaughterOfAKing, Stand fast in the Lord, keep Him always as your first love, and trust Him for the outcome. :)
And continue to prayerfully renew your mind with His Word!

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On 6/19/2018 at 2:25 PM, Billiards Ball said:

Good! You can see the way out now, better, because you are Daughter of a King! This relationship has to return to friends status (friends without ANY "benefits" of any kind!) until or if he repents and becomes a whole person. You need a whole, independent Christian to love.

Amen, most definitely :) Thank you dearly and God bless you :)

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On 6/20/2018 at 6:05 AM, B3L13v3R said:


Hi DaughterOfAKing!

I'm glad your picking up on the great advice here, simply to add these verses you already knew about in your original post!

2Corinthians 6:14-18  Be ye not unequally yoked together with unbelievers: for what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? and what communion hath light with darkness?  (15)  And what concord hath Christ with Belial? or what part hath he that believeth with an infidel?  (16)  And what agreement hath the temple of God with idols? for ye are the temple of the living God; as God hath said, I will dwell in them, and walk in them; and I will be their God, and they shall be my people.  (17)  Wherefore come out from among them, and be ye separate, saith the Lord, and touch not the unclean thing; and I will receive you,  (18)  And will be a Father unto you, and ye shall be my sons and daughters, saith the Lord Almighty.

That being said, a few "real life" examples of a few marriages I've witnessed over the years, with one "Saved" and one not.
All of these couples with the exception of the young woman, knew what they were getting into. The young woman knew of these verses, but was fooled for a short season:

1. A Christian woman marries an unsaved man, figuring she will "get him saved" yet knowing good and well what the good Lord had to say on the matter. 25 years later, they are still together, he still is not saved. He commits adultery on her regularly. For now she is still married, and continues to pray for him.

2. Young Christian woman, 18, knows very little of the Lord, yet knows when she marries, that the man "should be" a Christian. For a short time dates an "UN-saved" man who would love to have her for a good time... So, still as an Un-Saved man, he professes to a Preacher he is now "Saved," and even gets baptized. Yet, as a false convert, he was just a dry sinner, coming up a wet one... A divorce follows a short time later when she comes home early one day, with another woman in their bedroom...

3. Christian woman marries an unsaved man, figuring she will "get him saved" yet knowing good and well what the good Lord had to say on the matter. 40 years into there marriage, and he still is not Saved. Their marriage has been a tough one, I prayed for them a number of times, and witnessed to the man of our glorious Savior Jesus Christ one day. Nothing but a cold "I know better than you" smile on his part. He dies. And unless he had a "death bed conversion," he goes on to an eternity in Hell.

I could go on with several others I know of, but I hope this too will give you some reflection.

DaughterOfAKing, Stand fast in the Lord, keep Him always as your first love, and trust Him for the outcome. :)
And continue to prayerfully renew your mind with His Word!

 

Thank you very much, I will pray for those behind the stories you mentioned. I guess being unequally yoked is an issue more common than we like to believe and it's not only an issue for the believer but for their children. I have heard a couple testimonies of those brought up in multi-faith families and they were in a confused state of mind, I guess God can still find a purpose in our mess but it is something that can be avoided. I don't know why I'm saying all of this when you know already lol.

Thank you for your message and God bless you :) 

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On 6/16/2018 at 8:18 PM, DaughterOfAKing said:

A little under two years ago, I started talking to a colleague at work. At first, I was just simply attracted to his appearance but the more we started talking, the more my feelings developed. He comes from a Catholic background, he goes clubbing, drinks and he smokes marijuana. I can always resist the temptation to go clubbing (or pubbing should I say) but when I have been invited and I know he'll be there, I'll instantly agree to tag along. I left my job, the autumn of last year, he attended my leaving do and we were inseparable for the night, outside in the smoking area (I don't smoke by the way), next to each other in photos and on the dancefloor. 

I secured and left three positions after this job in question but I ended up returning to this same company office, a little over a week ago. The only difference is, I am now working in another department. My main problem is, I cannot stop thinking about him, he is constantly on my mind. I'm a little confused, I understand that God has a reason for everything he does but I don't understand why/how I ended back at the same company for my crush to resume. 

I understand that we must not be unequally yoked, in my mind as I am sure some believers have been in my position, I'm hopeful that he his relationship with God will blossom. I'm about 75% sure that the feeling is mutual (maybe not to my extent but there is some certainty he may feel the same way) I have prayed on it but what else should I do?

I noticed you've already worked through the issue, so just thought I'd give you a word of encouragement. I've been there, and it can sometimes be much more than just physical attraction. Sometimes you just really hit it off with the person even though they're unsaved. The personalities just click in spite of it. The problem is this: It's only a matter of time before the infatuation starts to wear a little thin, and then the religious differences start to come more to the forefront... and eventually it creates a division, and ultimately things ugly, at least they did for me. I can't tell you for certain this would happen, but it's likely.

Just sharing with you from one who went through it.

Blessings in Christ.

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Hi DaughterOfAKing,

I keep on saying please and thankyou for everything when really I don't need to - I got this problem too and it makes you look vulnerable which also attracts the wrong guys (I am not gay but my husband is lol :)). Stop saying it and start reading Proverbs (wisdom literature) whilst praying for a spirit of wisdom - this will put you in a better place for relationships i.e. wiser and safer.

I am not having a go, I just want to help.

 

On the early posts, it was stated that by your pastor and another pastor that Satan also opens doors - this is correct so make sure that you wait for the guy that God has for you and you will both be blessed. That is the answer - follow it or your will end up with years that you will want to forget.

 

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      And this is not a myth.
      Its a FACT and this is a situation that every person reading this and everyone in the entire world, living-breathing... or yet to be born, is going to have to face, unless they die as a baby or a very very young child.

      Think of it like this. Lets say, as some heretics teach, that God decides you are one of the unlucky ones who is born to go to hell.
      That God chose you, to go to hell.
      How can that be JUST ? How could that be right? How could it possibly be that...."God is Love", if He is choosing some for the lake fo fire, just because they were born, and they have no part in the decision.
      That's the theology of judging God as evil, and its theological insanity to do it, and to teach it... but it is taught and it is believed.
      There are actually people on this Forum, and on all Christian Forums, that have been taught that some people are born to go to hell, and that God chooses them to go.
      I know the scriptures they twist to try to prove this Satanic theology, and i won't be quoting them here.
      No worries.
      So that theology is demonic, but, what is worse is that this doctrine is absolutely creating the Idea of God, as way beyond the evil of Hitler...... and in fact, its painting God as black as the Devil's heart, but worse, Because, its people pretending they are CHRISTIANS who are vilifying God this way.


      So, a JUST God, would never behave like this, and in fact....... Father God is a completely Just God.
      GOD, the Father of Jesus, is so Just, that He allowed the killing of a Sinless Son, to allow for the recreation of the SINNER, into the SINLESS. This is how salvation actually works.
      God takes the sinlessness of Christ and exchanges it for our Sin, and we end up as righteous as Christ, and Jesus ends up as "became sin" on the Cross and DIES FOR OUR SIN.
      Reader, the Cross is a SWAP.....Its where God's righteous Son gives us His Righteousness, and He takes all our sin....our entire lifetime of it, and dies for it ALL.
      = Salvation.
      = OSAS.

      And being saved, works exactly the same...regarding God's Justice.. God does not choose some for Heaven, as that is actually the same as choosing some for hell. Its the same thing.
      That is not how "freewill", "justification by faith", and "Christ in you the hope of Glory". works.
      God is not going to tell you....in John 3:16 that he'll accept "whosoever", and in another verse. "ALL that believe on Jesus, shall be saved", or "as MANY as will believe"...... God is not going to offer Salvation to any and all, worldwide and universe deep, then choose some for Hell.
      Yet, there are preachers that preach this message, and their Church is full of people that shout "AMEN" when he speaks about God choosing some for the Lake of Fire.
      And some of these people, are on this Forum.

      Salvation is a Free gift. We dont earn it, and God does not force it on anyone, nor does He take it away after we are born again.
      A born again person, is IN CHRIST....and Christ "in you = hope of HEAVEN, (glory)"".
      So, when you are dead, you will end up wherever Christ is, and that wont be Hell or the Lake of Fire.
      The Born again are in Him and He is IN Us, """SEALED unto the day of redemption""", and so, we have to end up where Jesus ends up, as we are IN HIM......IN HIM.....IN HIM.
      We go where He goes, where He IS, after we die, or are Raptured.
      Final Answer, is...Salvation is not a temporary situation. This is why The one who SAVES, and KEEPS YOU SAVED, said from the Cross that .. Philippians 1:6. "IT (Salvation) is FINISHED".
      We dont finish it., we dont keep ourselves saved.
      Christ said "it is FINISHED"""< and when we are saved, born again, our salvation is FINISHED.
      Philippians 1:6
      OSAS.

      So, once again, remember that OSAS, only means that Salvation is God saving you, through Faith, when you believe on Christ, and then you become born again, and this can never cease to be your ETERNAL reality, because God Himself has saved you with the Blood of Jesus, and this HOLY Blood's power to redeem, redeems you for all eternity. "IT IS FINISHED". = SALVATION.
      The Blood that was shed on the Cross is GOD's BLOOD, and that is why it has the Power to keep you saved, and not just start your salvation.
      That is OSAS.
      ITs that simple.

      And no one who simply believes and accepts by FAITH the finished work of JESUS ON the Cross, who would explain it as OSAS...... has ever taught or will ever teach, that because we are always kept saved by God's grace, (BLOOD OF JESUS).. then we can then sin all we like and enjoy it. And you hear this on Forums like this one....These liars lying about OSAS, using the term "license to sin"....
      Its a lie, (reader).... Reader.....don't believe it.

      You've noticed that in the last 10 days, i've just basically written a BOOK about Legalism and Legalist here on this Forum, within many Threads, and never have I or would i ever say or teach that ... because the Blood of Jesus saved you and keeps you saved...that you can go out and live in sin and enjoy it.
      Not quite.
      Paul said if you do this, and you won't stop, you will die. Romans 8:13
      So that is the end result of living in sin, after you are saved.
      It'll finally cost you your earthly life, but before it does, it'll destroy your life, first.
      You'll lose everything except your Salvation, if you live in sin, after you are born again.
      You'll lose your witness, your money, your family, your friends, finally your health, and then you'll die.
      THATS the result of "living in sin" as a born again believer in Yeshua.

      But no... it won't cost you your Salvation, as you don't control that part.
      That part is controlled by the one who " FINISHED IT"< on the Cross, and has created a believer as born again.
      Born again, this status of a "New creation in Christ", a born again SPIRIT< living inside the corrupt body, is an eternal situation.
      Hyper-Religious - Self Righteous- Legalists...... flip out when they are told this, because they believe in themselves to stay saved by works...., and so, that is why they can't allow God the Savior to keep them saved if they are..... "bad".
      But that is exactly what He has already done. He has already taken your LIFETIME OF BAD, and sent Jesus to the Cross to pay for it all so that YOU don't have to pay for it, in ETERNITY.
      = Salvation.
      = Grace.
      = OSAS

      What actually happens to a Legalist, who is saved .... who USE TO BE a Legalist, but has seen the Light of the Cross and now trusts in Christ alone to keep them saved......This person is freed from the impossible burden of trying to keep themselves saved, and they find that this frees them to actually live a more holy life then they were trying to live as a legalist.
      As now they are committing to their "be holy as God is holy" lifestyle that God EXPECTS, = = EMPOWERED by God's GRACE, instead of by their FLESH.

      Flesh fails, Grace doesn't.

      A Legalist, who has come to see the Light of Grace in the Face of Jesus, = the finished blood atonement, finds that living for the Lord becomes empowered by Grace, which allows you more self control then they ever had when they were trying to work to stay saved, and were always failing and confessing, failing and confessing............ always feeling condemned, always feeling guilty.........>.
      Grace, OSAS,..... once you come to realize this truth that God who saved you, will KEEP YOU SAVED, HIMSELF.  Philippians 1:6. .....then (Grace understood) will empower you to live the Holy Life.
      That's the effect of the Grace of God, as its the Power of Christ's Blood having this empowering effect on you, simply because you understand it properly.
      Understand....."revelation" "seeing the Light" is not just comprehension of theological data, but it is in fact, LIFE POWER from GOD which empowers you to be what God wants you to be.
      "God's Grace"
      OSAS.
    • By Behold
      Here are some thoughts you might consider, regarding "Losing your Faith"...... and if your bible is near by..........

      Here is the reality... > Your Faith does not save you.
      God SAVED you through your Faith.
      Big difference.
      Vital Distinction.

      So, falling away from it after you are SAVED, basically does nothing but allow God and others to esteem you as a backslider.
      This person is a sheep who is off the main path but they are not a "LOST" sheep, as they were previously found by Jesus's Blood and redeemed.
      There are a lot of Christian sheep who are no where near the path of Light, yet they are all Children of the Light.
      There is no verse in the NT that says....>"ok, you fell out of Christ".
      And that is because you can't.
      You are "bone of Jesus Christ's bones, and flesh of Jesus Christ's flesh".
      "ONE"...>"In Christ".
      "As Jesus is so are the born again in this world".... right now.
      "seated in heavenly placed, IN CHRIST....right now".

      And a backslidden (Christian) says,"" but, i downloaded porn yesterday, and today i stole money from my mother's bank account, and tomorrow im going to fornicate with my stepson again after he's back from Church."""

      And this person, who is saved, yet doing all this..... is going to suffer down here.
      Not today, as sentence against sin, "reaping and sowing", is coming...but it does not happen the day you sin.....but its COMING.... So this person is going to HURT for what they are doing........its coming.........."Sowing and Reaping".
      This is explained by  Ecclesiastes 8:11
      Its explained by the "long-suffering (Patience) of God.
      However.....Paul details it the same.. = that if they dont turn from their "works OF the flesh", repent..... and get back into the righteous walk, then they will "reap what they have sown", be "chastened of God" over and over, and if that won't make them stop, they will , over time, lose everything, except for their Salvation.
      Family, job, money, friends, lifestyle .GONE.....and then they will get sick, and then they will die.  Romans 8:13
      As THAT is the final result of SIN, (sinning), as a believer, and continuing to LIVE IN IT.
      Seems fair...
      But, what is also a fact, is that this born again person, wont suffer in eternity for those sins, because Jesus has already died for all of them, on a Cross, on Earth.
      We as BIBLE believers are to understand that in Eternity, in Heaven, the only Sin that God evaluates, to evaluate you, is the one that rejected the Cross.
      This is the unpardonable sin., as if you do this one, then you prevent the Cross from taking your sin,.....and you die "un-pardoned".....= the un-pardonable....sin. = Christ Rejection.
      This is actually choosing to go to Hell.
      Bad choice.
      See.....Its only a Christ Rejector......it only THIS sin, that is alone dealt with In Heaven, in Revelation 20:11. Great White Throne.
      Believers die and meet Christ because we Trusted Him on EARTH, but if you didn't, then you dont meet Christ as your Savior, you only meet the JUDGE who Sent Jesus here, and you Rejected Him. And now God will reject YOU.......= Hell .... = THE LAKE OF FIRE !
      So, if you are not saved, and you are reading this... please do not reject Christ and meet God as you Judge.
      Please don't do that.
      Received Jesus, Trust in Jesus..... kneel at the Cross and receive the LOVE of God.... End up happy in Heaven, and eternally so.

      Down here, on earth, a believer's bad behavior is dealt with by THE LAW OF... "reaping and sowing".
      And God will also correct a born again believer, .. Hebrews 12:6...and will anyway.
      Most Christians have not been taught all this basic NT understanding, but, i just told you, Saints...so, if this is not what you have known before........now you do.
      The born again meet God as their Father.
      The unsaved, meet God as their Judge.
      On earth, all meet "reaping and sowing" for sin or "works of the flesh"..., so, be sure your deeds are not the type that are going to harvest a season of pain in your life.
      It will come for you, if you do.
      Your sin will find you out, and it will HURT YOU when it finds you.

      See, we as humans, we want to judge how WE see it.
      (self righteousness)
      But God's ways are higher then ours, as in as high as Heaven is from the earth, is how differently God's thinks and behaves, as compared to how we would try to do the same.
      WE, as humans, can't even grasp how a holy God would come to earth and die for the UNGODLY.
      So, that is why, many believers can't stand the fact that God's Grace continues to be the same, for people who are born again,, but who don't live a holy life.
      What we want to think about them, is that they deserve hell.
      Thats how we feel....
      That's our flesh. That is how it reacts, against the Grace of God, at times.
      The more of a legalist you are, the more you will have these types of feelings and beliefs.
      The more you are like Jesus, the less of them, will you have.
      But God does not see it OUR way. He only sees HIS OWN as "through the Blood".
      Our flesh rebels at this........but that is not How God responds to THEM.
      They are His Blood bought Children, and He does not love them less because they are horrible people.
      He saved them knowing they would turn out to be rotten stinking Christians.
      But Christians they are, and to HIM they belong, as "new BIRTH", as the Blood Atonement.....decided this for them.

      To God, ALL sin is pardoned on the CROSS and offered as SALVATION.
      In fact, that He does not charge you for yours, as Christ has already died for them ALL,
      is explained in this NT verse.  Romans 4:8.
      If you reader, have not studied this verse deeply, then you are lacking even a shallow understanding of Grace.
      And you need to study this one also..... Hebrews 13:9.
      AS if you don't follow that one, early in your born again "babe in Christ" experience, then you'll end up as a devout Legalist on a forum like this one at some point teaching Galatians 1:8.
      Really.

      So, sgain....about "losing Faith"....
      A weak analogy would be : a marriage contract.
      Say you are married, and your wife or husband hates you.
      Hates you......Despises you.....and wished you would die....they wish you were dead.
      Well, do their feelings and attitude and "heart condition" and "words" .... end the marriage?
      NO < because there is a contract that overrides their hate and words.
      So, its the same with the Blood of Jesus...It overrides all we do wrong, after we are saved, including what we SAY or DO.
      ""where SIN Abounds (in the LIFE OF A BORN AGAIN CHRISTIAN), .. GRACE more abounds".
      "God who began your salvation in you, will HIMSELF be FAITHFUL to COMPLETE it".
      Philippians 1:6
      "Jesus is the author and FINISHER of your FAITH"
      Hebrews 12:2
      In other words, you can't out-sin Grace.
      Many try it, but it can't be done.
      You can only "fall away" from it, and become what Paul is describing in Galatians.
      ""are you so FOOLISH< (that you use to Trust Christ to keep you saved) , but now you are gone BACK into the (flesh) worrying about the 10 commandments, and the law, and lifestyle, as the WAY you keep yourself saved"?
      You are FALLEN.......(gotten away from),........"Fallen from GRACE."
      This is the Legalist.

      So, understand that "holding onto your faith", is not principally different then keeping the 10 commandments, regarding its inability to save you or keep you saved.

      A person says......"but my faith is what saved me".
      And the NT says...."no, God saved you, through your faith".
      And Jesus said while ON the Cross, "it if finished".

      A believer says.... "ummm, well, ok, faith does not save me, it's God through the Blood of Jesus who SAVED me.....I see, BUT....what if i fall out of faith". ?????
      What if you do?
      What if you don't.
      This does not stipulate or control or condemn the redemption that has happened to you.
      "New Birth".
      "New Creation IN CHRIST".
      Faith does not do this, it only allows GOD TO DO IT TO YOU, FOR YOU, through your Faith.
      HE DID iT.
      ITS DONE. .... if you are born again.

      Ok, well, there are Legalists that hate this understanding.
      They will hate my entire Post.
      They hate it, because it does not allow them to feel they are saving themselves, and that of course, is their problem.
      Their legalism has replaced real FAITH In Christ ALONE... and so, Now they have resorted to faith in their faith, or its faith in their works.,, or both.
      This is Legalism.
      Legalism is literally a person climbing up on the Cross in their self effort to keep themselves SAVED.
      The legalist, has replace Jesus with > SELF Faith< (what i have to DO)... to TRY to KEEP themselves saved.
      Thats their issue.
      This is the issue of Legalism.
      Paul wrote all about this, in Galatians.
      Find a lot more about it there.......

      So, It really does come down to one realization.
      Its not what you trusted to SAVE YOU< but its what you are trusting to KEEP YOU SAVED.....is the issue.
      AS right here is where a legalist "falls from Grace", and into "self saving."
      This is why the legalist can't talk about the Cross, can't talk about Grace, can't talk about the Blood of Jesus with joy or deep understanding...... and how could they?... They can only talk about THEIR savior...which is themselves, trying not to "lose it"....and here comes their list of "do's and don't does to keep themselves saved.
      ...........10 commandments, overcoming, enduring to the end, the Law, lifestyle, holding unto their faith... and their "saving myself" list just keeps going and going, ...........
      And what is not on their list, is the Cross or Jesus or the Blood.
      So, that is the Legalist.
      They are "fallen from Grace".
      Grace no longer has a part in their redemption, in THEIR Mind, but in God's perspective these are just people who lost the light and pride kept it turned off .
      If they were born again, then this is unchanged.......and thank God for that.
      ---
       
      And one more about......." quitting faith, losing faith, ...."
      Lets say a Christian born again mother has a 2 yr old, that is kidnapped and murdered.
      So, they catch the person, and he goes to prison for life.
      But, in her broken and devestated heart, she is asking "why", Why didn't God prevent this.. ?? !!!!!
      So she says, and means it....
      ="" I HATE YOU GOD.
      BURN IN HELL JESUS>
      DIE HOLY SPIRIT, .. I hope Heaven BURNS with the Angels in it SCREAMING !!!!!!!!"""""

      Now do you see that?
      You are awake now....right?
      Do you really think that God is going to cast HIS Child of God into the Lake of Fire for eternity....for those words, and that attitude?
      Is God's love unconditional ? Is the Cross weak at Redemption?
      Jesus, who is GOD, said that He is ""touched with the FEELINGS of our FEELINGS"".
      He knows exactly why we feel what we feel, and why we behave like we behave.
      So....no....this hurting broken destroyed woman is not going into the Lake of fire because she is literally blaming and hating God, and will continue to.......and may die this way, as a broken heart can kill you.........if its broken enough.
      And if she dies....then she'll meet Jesus, and there is her little girl."mama",, "mama".
      Talk about happy tears........
      So, why does God Hating mama not end up in the Lake of Fire is she dies hating Christ ??? Because this person belongs to God.. She was bought with a price.
      Redemption is not a temporary solution. Redemption is an Eternal forgiveness.
      She is "in Christ", and "Christ IN this woman is her hope of Glory".
      YET....Christians have this idea that God is some sort of anemic, sensitive, can't deal with anything...... vengeful, lightning bolts, revenge seeking, neurotic, emotional infant.
      But the fact is, God is Love and Love is God's Grace, and Grace is the Blood Atonement, and this is so strong and so eternal, that you cant wash the Blood Of Jesus off your born again spirit by a bad attitude or a mouthful of Hate or a lifetime of living in the flesh.

      Salvation, is an eternal blood bought contract between the Blood of Jesus and your initial Faith, that results in you going to heaven to be with the family that GOD Joined you to, and put you in, based on THE CROSS.....ALONE.
      Its because.... once you signed up with Faith, God signed you up with His Eternal Blood.
      God , is Jesus on the Cross.....shedding His blood to bring you HOME AND KEEP YOU THERE.
      This is GRACE.
      Therefore, when you are "atoned for" by God's blood, (GRACE) it does not become voided by hatred, backsliding, or anything we do, and that is because it is GOD who created the means of the CROSS to accept us, and once He does......then that is the final answer.
      "Accepted in the Beloved".

      Now here is a little bit more for you....

      So, "Faith, faith, faith"., what if i lose my faith".

      Ok, there is a unique answer for that question also given in the NT.
      Its in Romans.

      "Whatsoever is not of FAITH is sin..."
      So, if you lose your faith, you have sinned.
      And Romans 4:8 says that God does not charge your SIN to you....after you are washed in the blood of Jesus....so, the "lost faith" sin, is just one more that is under that blanket of Blood, ... all washed clean..
      White as snow.

       
       
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