Jesus is the Holy Spirit.
God is Jesus, "God was manifested in the Flesh" = Jesus 1 Timothy 3:16
"God is A Spirit" is the verse, vs some phony bibles that say "God is Spirit", .. so, check yours.....becasue "A" Spirit, is a specific TYPE....Its a HOLY One...."Holy Spirit". See, there is an UNHOLY Spirit, the spirit of "anti=Christ", and then there a "A" Spirit, (God is A Spirit), that designates for you the literal and clear distinction between Holy and unholy....so, if your bible says...."God is Spirit"< John 4:24 then get yourself a real bible that says.. "God is A Spirit". Very important. And also check and see if your bible says..."GOD was manifested in the Flesh" in 1 Timothy 3:26, as if it says, "He" instead of "God", then get rid of this bible, as its flawed, and not literally accurate. A flawed bible creates a flawed Christian. Thats a fact.
The Holy Spirit is the "comforter" and Jesus is the "Prince of Peace". The Holy Spirit gives you comfort, and this is the "God kind".
Jesus said, "My peace , (MY SPECIFIC TYPE OF PEACE), This is the Holy Spirit)... The peace I give is NOT as the (spirit of the world) gives,".. John 14: 27.... because Christ's peace IS the Holy Spirit, The Comforter... which is a heavenly peace. THIS Spirit, is God's, and it is the One that "fills you", and it is the one that "indwells you" only if you are born again, as this is the reason you are born again, and this is why the NT says that "if you don't have the Spirit of God, ( Holy Spirit indwelling you) then you are none of God's", you are not born again, and you are not saved. Romans 8:9
The Peace of God is not "happiness" , its a deep wellness in the soul. Its a comfort that is deeper then feelings. Its supernatural. This is the peace of God, Himself, that comes to live in a person the INSTANT they "Believe on the Lord and you SHALL BE SAVED",= right then.....and this is why many cry and cry when this happens, because this peace heals broken hearts. This peace heals wounded souls. This indwelling of the peace of God, which IS the Love of God, fills the emptiness, and this peace replaces addiction, lust, greed, envy, pride, hate, with self control.... and fills the human heart with contentment. AS ALL THIS is the indwelling fruit of the Holy Spirit. ( Jesus the Vine into us the Branches) Its the "God Effect" that comes to live inside a born again Person. Its the "Kingdom of God" that enters you as you enter INTO it. Colossians 1:13 = BORN AGAIN
A mystery is something that has not been uncovered or revealed.
The Trinity is really not a mystery, as this is a misapplied definition that someone once used who didn't understand it, or didnt want to believe it, and it has sort of hung around Christendom, seemingly forever.
Now then......The Bible lays out the reality of God's existence, generally, as 3 distinct aspects, yet as One individual whole....
So, here we go.... Lets take a look :
First......Think of yourself......are you a spirit , a soul, and a body?......... How many is that?......Well, you are Tri-part being. You are 3 in One.
Have you ever noticed the sun in the sky? The Sun: is Heat, Light, and Actinic rays. (ultraviolet, etc). That is 3 parts of the same ONE..... So, is that a mystery?
The reason most Christians think of these type things as mysteries, is because we live in the natural world, we exit in the natural realm, and so, what we don't see with our eyes, = "mystery". "seeing is believing".
So, God is 3. But He is One. ... Like this :
Christ said that He is "In the Father", John 10:30
Thomas kneeled before Christ and said...>"my Lord and my GOD",..... and Jesus didn't correct Him. John 20:28
Christ said......."touch me not, i have not yet ascended to my Father and yours"........ John 20:17
The reason the Pharisees wanted to kill Jesus is .....1.) Envy. 2.) Legalism: Religious Spirit, and because Jesus said......"Before Abraham was...... I AM"....and this is Jesus referring to Himself "pre incarnate", as in Genesis 1, when He was not yet "God manifested as a man, in the FLESH". John 8:58 1 Timothy 3:16
So, we see that Jesus is talking about Himself (referring to Himself as God), before He was later come down from heaven as " God manifested in the FLesh"....... John 8:58 and 1 Timothy 3:16
Ok then, i wrote a simple and quick "Trinity" study recently that i'll now post for you to use if you feel like studying all this, that im posting for yuo
Here is the rest....
1.) John 1:10.. If you read it, you'll read that Jesus was in and literally placed His feet on the World HE created.
2. ) Colossians 1:6 says that through JESUS, and by Jesus, all things were created.
3.) 1 Timothy 3:16 says that "God" was manifested, (was made flesh and walked among us as a Man) ""
4. ) John 20:28 says that Thomas the Apostle, upon first seeing Jesus after He rose from the dead , said... "My Lord AND MY GOD"....
JESUS is the "word made flesh".
God made all that you see, by speaking words. "Let there BE...... light, nature, creation, all of it"....>"Let there BE" is like saying, let there BECOME..... God spoke it, and it (creation) appeared.
Genesis 1. In the beginning was the Word and the Word (Jesus) was with God, and the Word (Jesus) was/is God.
So, there you have Jesus as the Word before He was sent here to die, being worshipped as God after He was sent here.
That is God the Father, and Jesus as the Word made flesh = 2
Then add the Holy Spirit, the comforter...... = 1
2 +1 = 3
Three are "One", as Jesus says. "I and my Father are ONE"..... yet, they are each, one of themselves.
Gospel : Paul teaching = "preaching of the Cross". "we preach Christ Crucified"..."Jesus sent me not to baptize but to preach the Gospel".."faith comes by hearing this".....
So, all that, if believed by an unbeliever resolves an eternal issue......
What is the issue?
What is God's purpose for coming to earth to die as Jesus The Christ on a Cross?
What is He doing?...What is He alone solving, that all our 10 commandment keeping and holy lifestyle can never solve, which is WHY HE had to solve it? ?
And right here is what is so often misunderstood, or not taught correctly, and this is why so many people who mean well, and love Jesus, or would like to love him, do not understand <>WHAT IS<> the actual reason that God came here to die.
So what is that reason?
The reason, is that keeping the law, the 10 commandments, and doing good works, confessing sin, and living as holy as we can, could not make us acceptable to God..
And here is the "catch 22".... It also can't AFTER you are saved.
And right here is where "Legalism vs Grace" becomes the touchstone of constant fighting on forums, and everywhere else that it can show up where believers WILL clash.
(Apparently this clash became such a long standing fight and fury on this forum that members here are barred from posting- fighting about it.)
It is a fact and statement of the CROSS that the law and the 10 Commandments can't make you righteous, they can only show you that you are unrighteous., as that is the actual purpose of the Law, as well as outlining what God expects regarding our basic moral conduct & behavior, once we are born again.
So, how can it be that half the body of Christ is trying to keep all this, all these works, and they believe that this is "keeping them saved".
Whereas the other half of the body of Christ is trusting in Jesus to keep them saved.
So, do you see the line in the sand?
Its this " What is keeping you SAVED"....that is the minefield of theological confusion.
THATS the fight.
Legalism vs Grace.
Its happening on every forum like this one, and its the reason for 5000 denominations that don't agree, and 300 bibles that don't agree.
This issue started with Paul and his preaching of "justification by Faith" >alone, and he wrote the letter to the Galatians that talks about it, and explains it.
2000 yrs later, this issue of Legalism vs Grace is still a fist fight between "Christians".
Here on this forum, apparently they outlawed the battle.
Isn't it interesting to realize that if the 10 commandments, or lawkeeping, or living holy, could save you or keep you saved, if that were the truth, then Jesus could have stayed in Heaven and saved Himself some PAIN.....
But ita not the case.
Now im not certain what you have been taught, but i teach that you "present your body a living sacrifice" and you to "live holy as God is holy", not to save yourself or keep yourself saved, but because this is what you should do, and what God expects, .. because you ARE saved.
The Legalist would argue that .."no, you do it to stay saved", and if you don't then you're not.
I wonder, reader, what you believe.
However, keep it to yourself, as this is between you and God, tho make sure you get it right, as if you get it wrong and you are teaching it, then Galatians 1:8 has become quite a literal issue for you.
So, leaving all that now, lets just look at the problem that God had to come here and solve for us, as to look at this, is to understand the reason for Salvation which is to understand Salvation.
Our problem we had, before we were saved, is only one thing, one issue only. And God Himself had to solve it, because we can't.
We are born, and we get older, and we don't have any righteousness.
And so, God can't accept us, because we are UNRIGHTEOUS.
This is "lost", "unsaved"....hellbound = we don't have any RIGHTEOUSNESS< as all of ours, are "filthy rags".
So, in steps SALVATION... Down from Heaven God as The Christ arrives... The Cross has been raised.... As God bleeding out on the "tree" has come down from Heaven to give us HIS righteousness so that He can accept us, based on THAT.......and for no other reason will He accept you, or me.
God, literally became a man, and died on a Cross, to GIVE US "the righteousness of Christ". (God's very own righteousness).
And that is what salvation actually is....Its God coming to earth to give us His righteousness so that HE can accept us, as by giving us His very righteousness, this makes us acceptable to God.
Welcome to Salvation.
Salvation is only.... "what makes you acceptable to God"....and that is one thing, its GOD'S Righteousness, becoming ours.
A born again person, has literally BECOME "the righteousness of Christ", and Christ is GOD.
To say that God's Grace is amazing, is really the least of what it is...
How can you describe the wonder of God, dying to give you His righteousness in place of your unrighteousness, as a free Gift?
Is there a word that can even claim to honor this spiritual transaction enough?
God is LOVE.
When Calvin wasn't trying to get more people burned at the Stake, he also created theologically backwards ideas like : YOU have no choice about your Salvation....God chose you, and that settles that.
So, lets look at this one point of his 5 point "salvation theory" system.... and then compare it to the Grace of GOD, which is OSAS.
Now, to believe this, you have to pretend that Free Will, is not in fact, real.
And here is the thing....
God is JUST....which means, regarding heaven and hell, and people going there....He would not be JUST, if He denied you the freewill to end up in >either place<.
Heaven is a choice. Hell is a choice.. A person, who is breathing, while still an unbeliever.. makes the choice to trust Christ or reject Christ, (Hebrews Ch 4 and 10, Unsaved Hebrews) and GOD accepts their choice now and in eternity, and they get to experience the fruit of their choice, just as soon as they DIE.
A Person who ends up in Hell, chose to go there. A person who ends up in Heaven, chose to go there.
Jesus is THE WAY.... John 14:6 And if you receive Him as the WAY, you go to heaven, and if you reject Him as the ONLY Way, you go to Hell, and then later, the Lake of Fire.
And this is not a myth.
Its a FACT and this is a situation that every person reading this and everyone in the entire world, living-breathing... or yet to be born, is going to have to face, unless they die as a baby or a very very young child.
Think of it like this. Lets say, as some heretics teach, that God decides you are one of the unlucky ones who is born to go to hell.
That God chose you, to go to hell.
How can that be JUST ? How could that be right? How could it possibly be that...."God is Love", if He is choosing some for the lake fo fire, just because they were born, and they have no part in the decision.
That's the theology of judging God as evil, and its theological insanity to do it, and to teach it... but it is taught and it is believed.
There are actually people on this Forum, and on all Christian Forums, that have been taught that some people are born to go to hell, and that God chooses them to go.
I know the scriptures they twist to try to prove this Satanic theology, and i won't be quoting them here.
So that theology is demonic, but, what is worse is that this doctrine is absolutely creating the Idea of God, as way beyond the evil of Hitler...... and in fact, its painting God as black as the Devil's heart, but worse, Because, its people pretending they are CHRISTIANS who are vilifying God this way.
So, a JUST God, would never behave like this, and in fact....... Father God is a completely Just God.
GOD, the Father of Jesus, is so Just, that He allowed the killing of a Sinless Son, to allow for the recreation of the SINNER, into the SINLESS. This is how salvation actually works.
God takes the sinlessness of Christ and exchanges it for our Sin, and we end up as righteous as Christ, and Jesus ends up as "became sin" on the Cross and DIES FOR OUR SIN.
Reader, the Cross is a SWAP.....Its where God's righteous Son gives us His Righteousness, and He takes all our sin....our entire lifetime of it, and dies for it ALL.
And being saved, works exactly the same...regarding God's Justice.. God does not choose some for Heaven, as that is actually the same as choosing some for hell. Its the same thing.
That is not how "freewill", "justification by faith", and "Christ in you the hope of Glory". works.
God is not going to tell you....in John 3:16 that he'll accept "whosoever", and in another verse. "ALL that believe on Jesus, shall be saved", or "as MANY as will believe"...... God is not going to offer Salvation to any and all, worldwide and universe deep, then choose some for Hell.
Yet, there are preachers that preach this message, and their Church is full of people that shout "AMEN" when he speaks about God choosing some for the Lake of Fire.
And some of these people, are on this Forum.
Salvation is a Free gift. We dont earn it, and God does not force it on anyone, nor does He take it away after we are born again.
A born again person, is IN CHRIST....and Christ "in you = hope of HEAVEN, (glory)"".
So, when you are dead, you will end up wherever Christ is, and that wont be Hell or the Lake of Fire.
The Born again are in Him and He is IN Us, """SEALED unto the day of redemption""", and so, we have to end up where Jesus ends up, as we are IN HIM......IN HIM.....IN HIM.
We go where He goes, where He IS, after we die, or are Raptured.
Final Answer, is...Salvation is not a temporary situation. This is why The one who SAVES, and KEEPS YOU SAVED, said from the Cross that .. Philippians 1:6. "IT (Salvation) is FINISHED".
We dont finish it., we dont keep ourselves saved.
Christ said "it is FINISHED"""< and when we are saved, born again, our salvation is FINISHED.
So, once again, remember that OSAS, only means that Salvation is God saving you, through Faith, when you believe on Christ, and then you become born again, and this can never cease to be your ETERNAL reality, because God Himself has saved you with the Blood of Jesus, and this HOLY Blood's power to redeem, redeems you for all eternity. "IT IS FINISHED". = SALVATION.
The Blood that was shed on the Cross is GOD's BLOOD, and that is why it has the Power to keep you saved, and not just start your salvation.
That is OSAS.
ITs that simple.
And no one who simply believes and accepts by FAITH the finished work of JESUS ON the Cross, who would explain it as OSAS...... has ever taught or will ever teach, that because we are always kept saved by God's grace, (BLOOD OF JESUS).. then we can then sin all we like and enjoy it. And you hear this on Forums like this one....These liars lying about OSAS, using the term "license to sin"....
Its a lie, (reader).... Reader.....don't believe it.
You've noticed that in the last 10 days, i've just basically written a BOOK about Legalism and Legalist here on this Forum, within many Threads, and never have I or would i ever say or teach that ... because the Blood of Jesus saved you and keeps you saved...that you can go out and live in sin and enjoy it.
Paul said if you do this, and you won't stop, you will die. Romans 8:13
So that is the end result of living in sin, after you are saved.
It'll finally cost you your earthly life, but before it does, it'll destroy your life, first.
You'll lose everything except your Salvation, if you live in sin, after you are born again.
You'll lose your witness, your money, your family, your friends, finally your health, and then you'll die.
THATS the result of "living in sin" as a born again believer in Yeshua.
But no... it won't cost you your Salvation, as you don't control that part.
That part is controlled by the one who " FINISHED IT"< on the Cross, and has created a believer as born again.
Born again, this status of a "New creation in Christ", a born again SPIRIT< living inside the corrupt body, is an eternal situation.
Hyper-Religious - Self Righteous- Legalists...... flip out when they are told this, because they believe in themselves to stay saved by works...., and so, that is why they can't allow God the Savior to keep them saved if they are..... "bad".
But that is exactly what He has already done. He has already taken your LIFETIME OF BAD, and sent Jesus to the Cross to pay for it all so that YOU don't have to pay for it, in ETERNITY.
What actually happens to a Legalist, who is saved .... who USE TO BE a Legalist, but has seen the Light of the Cross and now trusts in Christ alone to keep them saved......This person is freed from the impossible burden of trying to keep themselves saved, and they find that this frees them to actually live a more holy life then they were trying to live as a legalist.
As now they are committing to their "be holy as God is holy" lifestyle that God EXPECTS, = = EMPOWERED by God's GRACE, instead of by their FLESH.
Flesh fails, Grace doesn't.
A Legalist, who has come to see the Light of Grace in the Face of Jesus, = the finished blood atonement, finds that living for the Lord becomes empowered by Grace, which allows you more self control then they ever had when they were trying to work to stay saved, and were always failing and confessing, failing and confessing............ always feeling condemned, always feeling guilty.........>.
Grace, OSAS,..... once you come to realize this truth that God who saved you, will KEEP YOU SAVED, HIMSELF. Philippians 1:6. .....then (Grace understood) will empower you to live the Holy Life.
That's the effect of the Grace of God, as its the Power of Christ's Blood having this empowering effect on you, simply because you understand it properly.
Understand....."revelation" "seeing the Light" is not just comprehension of theological data, but it is in fact, LIFE POWER from GOD which empowers you to be what God wants you to be.
Here are some thoughts you might consider, regarding "Losing your Faith"...... and if your bible is near by..........
Here is the reality... > Your Faith does not save you.
God SAVED you through your Faith.
So, falling away from it after you are SAVED, basically does nothing but allow God and others to esteem you as a backslider.
This person is a sheep who is off the main path but they are not a "LOST" sheep, as they were previously found by Jesus's Blood and redeemed.
There are a lot of Christian sheep who are no where near the path of Light, yet they are all Children of the Light.
There is no verse in the NT that says....>"ok, you fell out of Christ".
And that is because you can't.
You are "bone of Jesus Christ's bones, and flesh of Jesus Christ's flesh".
"As Jesus is so are the born again in this world".... right now.
"seated in heavenly placed, IN CHRIST....right now".
And a backslidden (Christian) says,"" but, i downloaded porn yesterday, and today i stole money from my mother's bank account, and tomorrow im going to fornicate with my stepson again after he's back from Church."""
And this person, who is saved, yet doing all this..... is going to suffer down here.
Not today, as sentence against sin, "reaping and sowing", is coming...but it does not happen the day you sin.....but its COMING.... So this person is going to HURT for what they are doing........its coming.........."Sowing and Reaping".
This is explained by Ecclesiastes 8:11
Its explained by the "long-suffering (Patience) of God.
However.....Paul details it the same.. = that if they dont turn from their "works OF the flesh", repent..... and get back into the righteous walk, then they will "reap what they have sown", be "chastened of God" over and over, and if that won't make them stop, they will , over time, lose everything, except for their Salvation.
Family, job, money, friends, lifestyle .GONE.....and then they will get sick, and then they will die. Romans 8:13
As THAT is the final result of SIN, (sinning), as a believer, and continuing to LIVE IN IT.
But, what is also a fact, is that this born again person, wont suffer in eternity for those sins, because Jesus has already died for all of them, on a Cross, on Earth.
We as BIBLE believers are to understand that in Eternity, in Heaven, the only Sin that God evaluates, to evaluate you, is the one that rejected the Cross.
This is the unpardonable sin., as if you do this one, then you prevent the Cross from taking your sin,.....and you die "un-pardoned".....= the un-pardonable....sin. = Christ Rejection.
This is actually choosing to go to Hell.
See.....Its only a Christ Rejector......it only THIS sin, that is alone dealt with In Heaven, in Revelation 20:11. Great White Throne.
Believers die and meet Christ because we Trusted Him on EARTH, but if you didn't, then you dont meet Christ as your Savior, you only meet the JUDGE who Sent Jesus here, and you Rejected Him. And now God will reject YOU.......= Hell .... = THE LAKE OF FIRE !
So, if you are not saved, and you are reading this... please do not reject Christ and meet God as you Judge.
Please don't do that.
Received Jesus, Trust in Jesus..... kneel at the Cross and receive the LOVE of God.... End up happy in Heaven, and eternally so.
Down here, on earth, a believer's bad behavior is dealt with by THE LAW OF... "reaping and sowing".
And God will also correct a born again believer, .. Hebrews 12:6...and will anyway.
Most Christians have not been taught all this basic NT understanding, but, i just told you, Saints...so, if this is not what you have known before........now you do.
The born again meet God as their Father.
The unsaved, meet God as their Judge.
On earth, all meet "reaping and sowing" for sin or "works of the flesh"..., so, be sure your deeds are not the type that are going to harvest a season of pain in your life.
It will come for you, if you do.
Your sin will find you out, and it will HURT YOU when it finds you.
See, we as humans, we want to judge how WE see it.
But God's ways are higher then ours, as in as high as Heaven is from the earth, is how differently God's thinks and behaves, as compared to how we would try to do the same.
WE, as humans, can't even grasp how a holy God would come to earth and die for the UNGODLY.
So, that is why, many believers can't stand the fact that God's Grace continues to be the same, for people who are born again,, but who don't live a holy life.
What we want to think about them, is that they deserve hell.
Thats how we feel....
That's our flesh. That is how it reacts, against the Grace of God, at times.
The more of a legalist you are, the more you will have these types of feelings and beliefs.
The more you are like Jesus, the less of them, will you have.
But God does not see it OUR way. He only sees HIS OWN as "through the Blood".
Our flesh rebels at this........but that is not How God responds to THEM.
They are His Blood bought Children, and He does not love them less because they are horrible people.
He saved them knowing they would turn out to be rotten stinking Christians.
But Christians they are, and to HIM they belong, as "new BIRTH", as the Blood Atonement.....decided this for them.
To God, ALL sin is pardoned on the CROSS and offered as SALVATION.
In fact, that He does not charge you for yours, as Christ has already died for them ALL,
is explained in this NT verse. Romans 4:8.
If you reader, have not studied this verse deeply, then you are lacking even a shallow understanding of Grace.
And you need to study this one also..... Hebrews 13:9.
AS if you don't follow that one, early in your born again "babe in Christ" experience, then you'll end up as a devout Legalist on a forum like this one at some point teaching Galatians 1:8.
So, sgain....about "losing Faith"....
A weak analogy would be : a marriage contract.
Say you are married, and your wife or husband hates you.
Hates you......Despises you.....and wished you would die....they wish you were dead.
Well, do their feelings and attitude and "heart condition" and "words" .... end the marriage?
NO < because there is a contract that overrides their hate and words.
So, its the same with the Blood of Jesus...It overrides all we do wrong, after we are saved, including what we SAY or DO.
""where SIN Abounds (in the LIFE OF A BORN AGAIN CHRISTIAN), .. GRACE more abounds".
"God who began your salvation in you, will HIMSELF be FAITHFUL to COMPLETE it".
"Jesus is the author and FINISHER of your FAITH"
In other words, you can't out-sin Grace.
Many try it, but it can't be done.
You can only "fall away" from it, and become what Paul is describing in Galatians.
""are you so FOOLISH< (that you use to Trust Christ to keep you saved) , but now you are gone BACK into the (flesh) worrying about the 10 commandments, and the law, and lifestyle, as the WAY you keep yourself saved"?
You are FALLEN.......(gotten away from),........"Fallen from GRACE."
This is the Legalist.
So, understand that "holding onto your faith", is not principally different then keeping the 10 commandments, regarding its inability to save you or keep you saved.
A person says......"but my faith is what saved me".
And the NT says...."no, God saved you, through your faith".
And Jesus said while ON the Cross, "it if finished".
A believer says.... "ummm, well, ok, faith does not save me, it's God through the Blood of Jesus who SAVED me.....I see, BUT....what if i fall out of faith". ?????
What if you do?
What if you don't.
This does not stipulate or control or condemn the redemption that has happened to you.
"New Creation IN CHRIST".
Faith does not do this, it only allows GOD TO DO IT TO YOU, FOR YOU, through your Faith.
HE DID iT.
ITS DONE. .... if you are born again.
Ok, well, there are Legalists that hate this understanding.
They will hate my entire Post.
They hate it, because it does not allow them to feel they are saving themselves, and that of course, is their problem.
Their legalism has replaced real FAITH In Christ ALONE... and so, Now they have resorted to faith in their faith, or its faith in their works.,, or both.
This is Legalism.
Legalism is literally a person climbing up on the Cross in their self effort to keep themselves SAVED.
The legalist, has replace Jesus with > SELF Faith< (what i have to DO)... to TRY to KEEP themselves saved.
Thats their issue.
This is the issue of Legalism.
Paul wrote all about this, in Galatians.
Find a lot more about it there.......
So, It really does come down to one realization.
Its not what you trusted to SAVE YOU< but its what you are trusting to KEEP YOU SAVED.....is the issue.
AS right here is where a legalist "falls from Grace", and into "self saving."
This is why the legalist can't talk about the Cross, can't talk about Grace, can't talk about the Blood of Jesus with joy or deep understanding...... and how could they?... They can only talk about THEIR savior...which is themselves, trying not to "lose it"....and here comes their list of "do's and don't does to keep themselves saved.
...........10 commandments, overcoming, enduring to the end, the Law, lifestyle, holding unto their faith... and their "saving myself" list just keeps going and going, ...........
And what is not on their list, is the Cross or Jesus or the Blood.
So, that is the Legalist.
They are "fallen from Grace".
Grace no longer has a part in their redemption, in THEIR Mind, but in God's perspective these are just people who lost the light and pride kept it turned off .
If they were born again, then this is unchanged.......and thank God for that.
And one more about......." quitting faith, losing faith, ...."
Lets say a Christian born again mother has a 2 yr old, that is kidnapped and murdered.
So, they catch the person, and he goes to prison for life.
But, in her broken and devestated heart, she is asking "why", Why didn't God prevent this.. ?? !!!!!
So she says, and means it....
="" I HATE YOU GOD.
BURN IN HELL JESUS>
DIE HOLY SPIRIT, .. I hope Heaven BURNS with the Angels in it SCREAMING !!!!!!!!"""""
Now do you see that?
You are awake now....right?
Do you really think that God is going to cast HIS Child of God into the Lake of Fire for eternity....for those words, and that attitude?
Is God's love unconditional ? Is the Cross weak at Redemption?
Jesus, who is GOD, said that He is ""touched with the FEELINGS of our FEELINGS"".
He knows exactly why we feel what we feel, and why we behave like we behave.
So....no....this hurting broken destroyed woman is not going into the Lake of fire because she is literally blaming and hating God, and will continue to.......and may die this way, as a broken heart can kill you.........if its broken enough.
And if she dies....then she'll meet Jesus, and there is her little girl."mama",, "mama".
Talk about happy tears........
So, why does God Hating mama not end up in the Lake of Fire is she dies hating Christ ??? Because this person belongs to God.. She was bought with a price.
Redemption is not a temporary solution. Redemption is an Eternal forgiveness.
She is "in Christ", and "Christ IN this woman is her hope of Glory".
YET....Christians have this idea that God is some sort of anemic, sensitive, can't deal with anything...... vengeful, lightning bolts, revenge seeking, neurotic, emotional infant.
But the fact is, God is Love and Love is God's Grace, and Grace is the Blood Atonement, and this is so strong and so eternal, that you cant wash the Blood Of Jesus off your born again spirit by a bad attitude or a mouthful of Hate or a lifetime of living in the flesh.
Salvation, is an eternal blood bought contract between the Blood of Jesus and your initial Faith, that results in you going to heaven to be with the family that GOD Joined you to, and put you in, based on THE CROSS.....ALONE.
Its because.... once you signed up with Faith, God signed you up with His Eternal Blood.
God , is Jesus on the Cross.....shedding His blood to bring you HOME AND KEEP YOU THERE.
This is GRACE.
Therefore, when you are "atoned for" by God's blood, (GRACE) it does not become voided by hatred, backsliding, or anything we do, and that is because it is GOD who created the means of the CROSS to accept us, and once He does......then that is the final answer.
"Accepted in the Beloved".
Now here is a little bit more for you....
So, "Faith, faith, faith"., what if i lose my faith".
Ok, there is a unique answer for that question also given in the NT.
Its in Romans.
"Whatsoever is not of FAITH is sin..."
So, if you lose your faith, you have sinned.
And Romans 4:8 says that God does not charge your SIN to you....after you are washed in the blood of Jesus....so, the "lost faith" sin, is just one more that is under that blanket of Blood, ... all washed clean..
White as snow.