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Can only Pastor's or every believers have the right to give water baptism to other?

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2 hours ago, mel85 said:

Can only Pastor's or every believers have the right to give water baptism to other?

Many in my family were baptized by others in my family. We are told to. Our authorization is the word.

Mat 28:19
  Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost.

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41 minutes ago, Gary Lee said:

Many in my family were baptized by others in my family. We are told to. Our authorization is the word.

Mat 28:19
  Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost.

I've led many to the Lord Jesus in all kinds of places, I don't see where baptizing them would be any different except maybe sharing the experience with others or making it formal with a church authority .. I have no problem at all either way .

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If you look to the Word of God for your comfort in this matter, you might be surprised to see something less formalised, but more strongly recognised.

 

Acts 8:36-39

Phillip baptised!

HE WAS...

  • An "evangelist" (Acts 21:8)
  • A 'deacon' - of sorts (Acts 6:5)

HE WAS NOT [of an authoritative church position]...

  • A Pastor/Overseer/Elder
  • An Apostle (Note Acts 8:1, 4-5, 14).

THEREFORE, his role was not an 'authoritative' one in the church (A Deacon is not an 'office' of authority).

 

HIS BAPTISING WAS DONE (1) NOT in a church meeting, (2) NOT needing to be in front of a crowd. 

IT WAS preached to him as his necessary response to the gospel in the first instance of hearing it.

 

Based on this event you are safe to discard much of what is put on baptism today. It is between and before you and God when you believe. It should be done ASAP to your conversion. The New Testament in 1Cor and Rom doesn't leave room for a delay between baptism and salvation. Wasn't it Christ in whom you were baptised into. Does it worry you that at no point in time Paul thought he had to bring up 'now it's time for you to get baptised'. It was done as immediately after as is a call to the saved. Note what Peter asked them to do at the end of Acts Ch2 sermon. Do we promote similar practice today? Or is it not the Scriptures that any more inform us?

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16 hours ago, mel85 said:

Can only Pastor's or every believers have the right to give water baptism to other?

Go therefore and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, teaching them to observe all that I have commanded you. 

If we have been made disciples, and we are to observe all that Jesus taught His disciples, then what would I do as an obedient Christian? I will make more disciples, and baptize them and teach them, that is the design. Says nothing about pastors there. the model is not complicated.

Disciples make more disciples, baptizing them and teaching them. Right? Of course, if would be good to know everything that Jesus commanded. You cannot teach, what you do not know! By the way, it is not a "right" it is a privilege and a duty.

Matt 28:19

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We understand by reading the scriptures as a whole that JESUS is with the Father and when we believe in him we are in him and we are in the Father. 

When we say the Father we should clarify that we do not have the Father of the Jews in mind, the Father of the old testiment, the Lord God of the Jews only, the one who gave Moses the old way of the forgivness of sins, the one who interacted with Abraham and took a people for himself, from the clan of Jacob and exluded the rest of the world. (added the procylites). 

As to the baptism of water, which is a very delicate issue, we understand that if we have JESUS we also have the HEAVENLY FATHER. 

Since we cannot have JESUS without the FATHER and definitely we cannot have the FATHER without JESUS CHRIST. 

In the Old Covenant the Jews did not have the FATHER because they did not have the CHRIST, and as a result did not have a Heavenly inheritance, or did not have the LIFE. 

To be baptized in the name of JESUS is for those who have believed in JESUS CHRIST and have the LIFE and the FATHER by default, people who are not in their sins. 

One baptism in the name of JESUS is enough to informed the believer that he is in JESUS CHRIST and also in the FATHER, 

As Jesus said and we have come to understand that Jesus is in the FATHER and we are in JESUS and because of JESUS being in the FATHER we are also by default in the FATHER and we are in the LIFE. 

Is it not the multiple baptism one in the name of JESUS and the other in the name of the Father perplex. 

The disciples all of them were baptizing only in the name of JESUS CHRIST and they pray for the baptism of the Holy Spirit, and not all the time, the Holy Spirit is with the believer according to the will of JESUS CHRIST, some times with the evidence of tongues and some times not. 

And as the Holy Spirit is here on earth doing the will of JESUS CHRIST, there is not limit how and with whom is working with our own understanding. 

And how it wills and with whom it wills to work with. 

There is an example at the time of Moses when the Lord had chosen some people for a propose , at the time of blessing, if I can use this word, or the annoyding, or the equipping for their mission, a few of them were not present at the ceremony of the blessing. 

But the Lord founded them wherever they were and pour his spirit upon those people, it is important to understand that some things are done in the eyes of the public, and are accepted by the public , even thought not for all of them. 

In this specific  situation with Moses those who were the witness or partakers of the public ceremony, those are the ones who took offence that the Lord had pour his Spirit out side the participants in the ceremony, and they becoming extremely jealous they wanted to eliminate those whom the Lord had bless outside their institution. 

Is their any similarity as to what we may find in our time and all the times that the organizations protect their own ways by trying to discredit those whom the Lord has bless outside their institution. 

Even Paul was one whom the Lord had bless outside the institutions. 

Paul being question and opposed by many not only because of his past, but also because he was not one of the people who follow Jesus throughout his time here on earth. 

As the blind man said: 

This is not even more amazing that a blind man from earth can now see. 

Yes it is because the blind man from birth does not have any memmory of the real world to relayed to. And if he does could only be distorted. 

But JESUS touch not only the phycical eyes of that man but he also must have put gifts within him to hepl him identified and relayed correctly what it is what this man could see. And correctly reason in his mind to tell and distinguish one from the other. 

Perhaps that what happened to Paul, but some people cannot see the gifts, just the past behaviour and ways. 

Paul was able ti understand this more than anyone else, and he was able to reach the Gentiles in their own wold, and trusted them with the Gospel and the Gifts of the Holy Spirit , and one of this group is the Korinthians. 

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