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3 minutes ago, Revelation Man said:

That treaties is already in place, its with the E.U. and MANY Nations in the Mediterranean Sea Region. 

Sorry, this has to do with rebuilding the Temple and honoring the Jewish nation. It has zero to do with the virulent antisemitism oozing from world organizations.

Rome, Europe, EU, etc. Are not in on this one. 

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1 minute ago, Revelation Man said:

The Church is in Heaven, the REPENTANT Jews are protected in Petra, thus those Gentiles who came unto Christ AFTER the Rapture or Jews who came to Christ but did not make it to Petra will have to lay their lives down like just like the Disciples did and many others. They could have made the Rapture, but they tarried. They are the 5 virgins who were shut out of the Wedding. 

God's Wrath against the World will come to pass, if Noah had a Family Member that refused to get in the Ark do you think God would have changed His mind about flooding the whole world? Lots family was saved, but his wife LOOKED BACK and thus was turned to Salt. 

Those who miss the Rapture will ave to face Consequences. You do see MARTYRS UNDER THE ALTER Don't you?  Gods Wrath is unleashed on Mankind, his INSTRUMENT the Anti-Christ will also kill Christians who missed the Rapture. The Church is in Heaven, the Church could not be defeated by Satan, that is what Jesus stated, if you are smart and you are a Christian, you would flee to Petra like the Jews, of you can get there, most will not be able to however. 

Its best to be ready, we should be on the "Ark" if not we will be in the FLOOD, but our FAITH will still gain Heaven for us. Its that simple, BE READY !!

From the First Seal on is Gods Wrath, who OPENED the Seals?  Do not miss the Ark............Marriage to the Lamb. 

The ELECT are in Heaven, the ELECT Jews are protected in Petra. 

Rev. ch. 6 clearly states its the Wrath of the Lamb, this all of the Seals are the Lambs Wrath. 

Greetings in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ,

So you are saying, this is a sort of purgatory for those who didn't believe soon enough? Likewise, you are saying that you only have to own Christ in the face of death if you were an Apostle or end up being persecuted by the Beast? Man, we need to quickly tell all those dear saints around the world who are losing their lives for Jesus, that it's OK not to own Christ in the face of martyrdom now. God forbid!

It sounds as though you are saying that the nature of the Gospel changes from easy believism to enduring to the end once the Beast shows up. If the "tribulation saints" must die for their faith, is the means of salvation different for the saints that face the Beast?

All praise be to the Lamb

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29 minutes ago, Revelation Man said:

Which means it didn't start there right? All of the wrath comes from the Seven Seals that Jesus opened. The Seven Trumpets ARE the 7th Seal and the Seven Vials ARE the 7th Trumpet which comes out of the SEVENTH SEAL.

Not quite.  The seven plagues are comprised of the seven trumpets and seven bowls.  The opening of the seven seals shares the same pattern as the march around Jericho.  They marched around the city once for six days, and on the seventh day they marched around the city seven times.  There were seven, and seven within the seventh.  There are seven seals, and seven plagues within the seventh seal.

  • Then I saw another sign in heaven, great and marvelous, seven angels who had seven plagues, which are the last, because in them the wrath of God is finished.  Then one of the four living creatures gave to the seven angels seven golden bowls full of the wrath of God, who lives forever and ever.  Revelation 15:1,7

This shows that there are seven angels with seven plagues.  What are those seven plagues if they are not the seven trumpets/bowls?  Have you ever noticed the strong correlation between the trumpets and bowls?

44 minutes ago, Revelation Man said:

Those are Bowls of Gods Wrath, what do you think the Trumpets are?

Mostly God's judgment of those who worship the man of sin.  They are God's call for repentance.  It's difficult to determine when God's judgment turns into His wrath, but His wrath is His anger at those who refuse to accept His judgment and repent.

I've put together a little video on the seven plagues if you're interested.   Here's the link.

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"Its all God's Wrath"

 

Yes .... the entire tribulation period includes all of God's wrath

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19 hours ago, Diaste said:

I believe many will believe only when they finally see.

I think you're correct about that, provided that they even have the wherewithal to discern what's going on.  Some people believe what they want to believe and will not be persuaded otherwise.  Not a good way to be.  

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3 hours ago, Steve Conley said:

Greetings in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ,

So you are saying, this is a sort of purgatory for those who didn't believe soon enough? Likewise, you are saying that you only have to own Christ in the face of death if you were an Apostle or end up being persecuted by the Beast? Man, we need to quickly tell all those dear saints around the world who are losing their lives for Jesus, that it's OK not to own Christ in the face of martyrdom now. God forbid!

It sounds as though you are saying that the nature of the Gospel changes from easy believism to enduring to the end once the Beast shows up. If the "tribulation saints" must die for their faith, is the means of salvation different for the saints that face the Beast?

All praise be to the Lamb

It is what it is, I am quoting the scriptures, if you have a issue with God that is on you. Jesus i the wedding Parable clearly states if you do not have enough OIL (Holy Spirit) in your LAMP (Body) you will not be able to make the Marriage and thus you will be SHUT OUT, and there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth. And LIKEWISE I have no clue what you are speaking about as per OWN Christ, that is your backward interpretation of something, not mine, of course those Martyrs who die are the Christian REMNANT. Its very clear if you read chapter 12, the Dragon can not get at the WOMAN (Israel) thus he goes after the REMNANT who keep the Commandments of Jesus Christ. (REMNANT CHURCH....Remnant means small part of something that is LEFT !! Boom. ) 

It sounds as if you have a problem understanding scriptures to me. If you MISSED the rapture then decide to ACCEPT Christ then you will have to DEAL with the Anti-Christ. That is pretty easy stuff there brother. 

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2 hours ago, Revelation Man said:

It sounds as if you have a problem understanding scriptures to me. If you MISSED the rapture then decide to ACCEPT Christ then you will have to DEAL with the Anti-Christ. That is pretty easy stuff there brother. 

If the antichrist is Gods wrath then no believer will have to deal with the antichrist. Remember? Believers are not appointed to wrath. Heavy contradiction in the doctrine. 

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"If the antichrist is Gods wrath then no believer will have to deal with the antichrist. Remember? Believers are not appointed to wrath."

 

This is true .... and the antichrist is definitely a part of the Lord's wrath during the coming tribulation period

Today's believer is not appointed to the Lord's wrath

Edited by Daniel 11:36
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10 hours ago, Daniel 11:36 said:

"If the antichrist is Gods wrath then no believer will have to deal with the antichrist. Remember? Believers are not appointed to wrath."

 

This is true .... and the antichrist is definitely a part of the Lord's wrath during the coming tribulation period

Today's believer is not appointed to the Lord's wrath

Then no one can come to Christ during the beast's reign as they would be believers and then be in the wrath of God. 

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18 minutes ago, Sojourner414 said:

So with all that said, the Antichrist and the judgments enacted all represent the Lord's wrath on this planet.

 

If true, then how to explain the vast group of saints who came out of great tribulation?

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