Guest shiloh357 Posted July 5, 2018 Share Posted July 5, 2018 1 minute ago, 1to3 said: God sent His only begotten Son Christ Jesus for the purpose of bringing man kind back to God through His sacrifice on the cross. Christ Jesus part God , part man got to experience All the human feelings we humans go through in this life. when Christ Jesus experience these part of God also experienced this through His Son Christ Jesus. Through the experience of Christ Jesus, God knows what its like to be man and with that comes all possibilities and that would included separation from God spiritually. Yeah, that is wrong. Jesus experienced what it is like to be fully human, but that would not include spiritual separation from God. Spiritual separation from God occurs because of sin. Jesus would be a sinner were He separated from God. Jesus could not have been our sinless sacrifice if he died spiritually on the cross. Jesus was God and there is no way that Jesus could have ceased being God. The Father, the Son and teh Holy Spirit are one God. They are not separate beings. Jesus' death was ONLY physical. Quote Christ Jesus is our advocate before the Lord, it would make sense that all that Christ suffered including spiritual separation from God would be the exact same things us as making experience, making the Christ both man and God as mentioned in the bible to bring us back to God by suffering ALL the penalties of carnal sin for us. If Jesus died spiritually, he would be suffering for His own sinfulness, not ours. Quote Carnal sin unrepented =emotional separation from God. No, Carnal unprented sin = eternal separation from God. Quote when Christ took on ALL the sins of the world He had to separate spiritually for a while from God as God who is LIGHT cannot be in the presence of darkness. Nope. The Bible doesn't say that. Quote Only Christ who came down to save us(from the penalty of sin=complete spiritual separation from God) who was part man & part God and had that capacity to take on our sins so to free us from them once and for all and make us acceptable to join back to God. so the time period where Christ was taking all the sins of the world unto himself, He had to go into complete darkness, God could not be there, Had to separated from His son for this sacrifice to be completed. God was there. God is omnipresent. There has never been a place where God is not. God the Father was there in that darkness hurling the full weight of His justice against Jesus and Jesus absorbed it on our behalf. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1to3 Posted July 5, 2018 Group: Royal Member Followers: 22 Topic Count: 138 Topics Per Day: 0.04 Content Count: 4,208 Content Per Day: 1.23 Reputation: 3,073 Days Won: 0 Joined: 11/28/2014 Status: Offline Share Posted July 5, 2018 (edited) 27 minutes ago, shiloh357 said: The Father, the Son and teh Holy Spirit are one God. They are One God diffused in THREE persons: Father , Son, Holy Spirit. Christ Jesus was part human on earth, God always remained the Father therefore remaining in His Holy Essence Pure eternal non changing LAW, Pure Light state. For sure Christ could not have sin in Him to free us from sin but He did through His divinity have the capacity to TAKE -ON the sins of mankind and pay the penalty in FULL from them through the shedding of His PURE Blood over them, but Christ also had to take-on=experience within His human self through His Christ/human persona the full penalty of the sins of mankind. That is why is was only for a duration that Christ had to experience hell when Christ took on ALL the sins of mankind, that He became the sacrifice, for that time separated from God spiritually as God the Father in the completeness of His essence is non changing eternal Pure Light Pure eternal non changing eternal LAW. 27 minutes ago, shiloh357 said: God was there. God is omnipresent. There has never been a place where God is not. well how do you explain then 1 John ch1 ? 1 John 1 What Was Heard, Seen, and Touched 1 That which was from the beginning, which we have heard, which we have seen with our eyes, which we have looked upon, and our hands have handled, concerning the Word of life— 2 the life was manifested, and we have seen, and bear witness, and declare to you that eternal life which was with the Father and was manifested to us— 3 that which we have seen and heard we declare to you, that you also may have fellowship with us; and truly our fellowship is with the Father and with His Son Jesus Christ. 4 And these things we write to you that [a]your joy may be full. Fellowship with Him and One Another 5 This is the message which we have heard from Him and declare to you, that God is Light and in Him is no darkness at all 6 If we say that we have fellowship with Him, and walk in darkness, we lie and do not practice the truth. 7 But if we walk in the light as He is in the light, we have fellowship with one another, and the blood of Jesus Christ His Son cleanses us from all sin. 8 If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us. 9 If we confess our sins, He is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. 10 If we say that we have not sinned, we make Him a liar, and His word is not in us. Edited July 5, 2018 by 1to3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Your closest friendnt Posted July 6, 2018 Group: Royal Member Followers: 18 Topic Count: 8 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 7,848 Content Per Day: 2.42 Reputation: 2,758 Days Won: 3 Joined: 06/05/2015 Status: Offline Share Posted July 6, 2018 On 7/4/2018 at 10:46 AM, Adstar said: Jesus and God are one .. How can they be seperated spiritually? Where does this teaching come from? Can someone quote scripture to support this teaching? The sciptures say that they were seperated for three days. When Jesus died on the Cross till the time of his resuraction. This kind of seperation was not because of Jesus disobedience because to the contrary JESUS was obedient till his death. The were seperated from one another and they did not have any fellowship for three days, they did not comunicate for three days. During the time Jesus was in the place of the dead. Is that too dificult for you to accept. Jesus during that time still had the life in him, and still had his righteousness, if we can say it in this way, spiritualy was one of a kind with God. If you read carefully this preacher's essay, he never claimed that when Jesus died he was spiritually dead. He misinterpreted the even of the three hours of darkness, and the reason why Jesus made some statements before he died, and brought in his own facts, and apllyed an incorrect definition and was mistaken to see Jesus at some time seperated from the Father, and was spiritually dead , and restored him before he dies. That's how he show it by giving his own explanations to what happened and bringing in facts that sre not there or making ilustrations into actual facts and misleading himself even bringing in statistical numerology like it matters. Like there is not the spirit of truth around. The good think is that he sais that he own calculations to come to this. That saved his day not to take the name of Jesus Christ or the spirit of truth into his own speculations, which he admits that he is speculating, by taking this and that into acount and equals this and that. He never said that is the disciples teaching or it was foretold that this will happened by the prophets or Jesus himself. Jesus been the light of the world, and the darkness meant that the the earth will be without the light of the world only for three days , pointing that the light if the world will come back in three days. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adstar Posted July 6, 2018 Group: Royal Member Followers: 12 Topic Count: 75 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 3,399 Content Per Day: 0.43 Reputation: 1,307 Days Won: 1 Joined: 09/01/2002 Status: Offline Share Posted July 6, 2018 21 hours ago, Still Alive said: For the rest of us, the spirit is what is "born" when we are "born again". The lost don't have it. They are not immortal. IMO. So how can the unsaved be cast into the eternal lake of fire and be tormented there forever and ever if they do not exist forever and ever to be tormented ??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest shiloh357 Posted July 6, 2018 Share Posted July 6, 2018 18 hours ago, 1to3 said: They are One God diffused in THREE persons: Father , Son, Holy Spirit. They are still ONE God. Jesus is as much God as the Father. Spiritually, Jesus is God. And God cannot die. Jesus could not die spiritually, because it would have made him a sinner and that would have disqualified him from being our Savior. Quote Christ Jesus was part human on earth, God always remained the Father therefore remaining in His Holy Essence Pure eternal non changing LAW, Pure Light state. No, Jesus was FULLY human on earth and FULLY God. Jesus was never at any time anything less than fully God. Quote For sure Christ could not have sin in Him to free us from sin but He did through His divinity have the capacity to TAKE -ON the sins of mankind and pay the penalty in FULL from them through the shedding of His PURE Blood over them, but Christ also had to take-on=experience within His human self through His Christ/human persona the full penalty of the sins of mankind. That does not mean He died spiritually. He paid for our sins. Our sins were imputed to Him. He did not become sinful with our sins. Sorry, but you really don't know what you're talking about and you need some lessons in basic biblical theology. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adstar Posted July 6, 2018 Group: Royal Member Followers: 12 Topic Count: 75 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 3,399 Content Per Day: 0.43 Reputation: 1,307 Days Won: 1 Joined: 09/01/2002 Status: Offline Share Posted July 6, 2018 12 hours ago, Your closest friendnt said: The sciptures say that they were seperated for three days. When Jesus died on the Cross till the time of his resuraction. This kind of seperation was not because of Jesus disobedience because to the contrary JESUS was obedient till his death. The were seperated from one another and they did not have any fellowship for three days, they did not comunicate for three days. During the time Jesus was in the place of the dead. Is that too dificult for you to accept. Jesus during that time still had the life in him, and still had his righteousness, if we can say it in this way, spiritualy was one of a kind with God. If you read carefully this preacher's essay, he never claimed that when Jesus died he was spiritually dead. He misinterpreted the even of the three hours of darkness, and the reason why Jesus made some statements before he died, and brought in his own facts, and apllyed an incorrect definition and was mistaken to see Jesus at some time seperated from the Father, and was spiritually dead , and restored him before he dies. That's how he show it by giving his own explanations to what happened and bringing in facts that sre not there or making ilustrations into actual facts and misleading himself even bringing in statistical numerology like it matters. Like there is not the spirit of truth around. The good think is that he sais that he own calculations to come to this. That saved his day not to take the name of Jesus Christ or the spirit of truth into his own speculations, which he admits that he is speculating, by taking this and that into acount and equals this and that. He never said that is the disciples teaching or it was foretold that this will happened by the prophets or Jesus himself. Jesus been the light of the world, and the darkness meant that the the earth will be without the light of the world only for three days , pointing that the light if the world will come back in three days. So you start out by saying """ The sciptures say that they were seperated for three days. """ But provide no scriptures which state this ? All the rest of your statements are just your statements no scripture provided.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Still Alive Posted July 6, 2018 Group: Royal Member Followers: 4 Topic Count: 13 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 3,024 Content Per Day: 1.33 Reputation: 1,224 Days Won: 3 Joined: 02/05/2018 Status: Offline Share Posted July 6, 2018 20 hours ago, angels4u said: They are 2 different kinds of spirits ,we need to be born out of the Spirit of God.. Well, for me, I see one as the spirit that is born when you are born again, what is the other one? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Still Alive Posted July 6, 2018 Group: Royal Member Followers: 4 Topic Count: 13 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 3,024 Content Per Day: 1.33 Reputation: 1,224 Days Won: 3 Joined: 02/05/2018 Status: Offline Share Posted July 6, 2018 1 hour ago, Adstar said: So how can the unsaved be cast into the eternal lake of fire and be tormented there forever and ever if they do not exist forever and ever to be tormented ??? They can't. Exactly! The picture is clear. In the world of 2,000 years ago, the primary way to destroy something was to burn it up. Hence the analogy of wheat vs tares and the lake of fire. Any reasonable person would hear that and see that as destroying anyone thrown into it. And the fire is unquenchable. You are not going to put it out until it runs out of fuel. Think of it like a house fire where there is no water around. It's unquenchable. It will go out in its own time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adstar Posted July 6, 2018 Group: Royal Member Followers: 12 Topic Count: 75 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 3,399 Content Per Day: 0.43 Reputation: 1,307 Days Won: 1 Joined: 09/01/2002 Status: Offline Share Posted July 6, 2018 1 minute ago, Still Alive said: They can't. Exactly! The picture is clear. In the world of 2,000 years ago, the primary way to destroy something was to burn it up. Hence the analogy of wheat vs tares and the lake of fire. Any reasonable person would hear that and see that as destroying anyone thrown into it. And the fire is unquenchable. You are not going to put it out until it runs out of fuel. Think of it like a house fire where there is no water around. It's unquenchable. It will go out in its own time. Well i will believe the Holy Bible when it says that those cast into the eternal lake of fire will be in torment for ever and ever.. They shall exist forever and ever in the eternal lake of fire.. So all people will be eternal saved or unsaved.. Revelation 20: KJV 10 "And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Your closest friendnt Posted July 6, 2018 Group: Royal Member Followers: 18 Topic Count: 8 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 7,848 Content Per Day: 2.42 Reputation: 2,758 Days Won: 3 Joined: 06/05/2015 Status: Offline Share Posted July 6, 2018 1 hour ago, Adstar said: So you start out by saying """ The sciptures say that they were seperated for three days. """ But provide no scriptures which state this ? All the rest of your statements are just your statements no scripture provided.. Where did the voice of the Heavenly Father come from, at the time of the baptism of Jesus? What is your obstacle not to accept that came from where the HEAVENLY FATHER was , do you want me to spell it to you, FROM HEAVEN You have a bible, if it's not there you can tell us. Whether one post the scriptures or not it's still in the bible. Jesus said: " my God, my God why have you forshaken me, and he died, But not before he say " into your hands I leave my SPIRIT" . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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