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3 hours ago, iamlamad said:

Oh! The verse about the birth of Christ! So one error leads you to many errors.

Harpazo is for the church only, 1 Thess 4:17. One day you'll wake up and it'll just click. 

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3 hours ago, iamlamad said:

Then why do you keep writing of "corporate conception?" Acts 2 is the church receiving the anointing for ministry. 

Corporate conception is the first out of three stages iam. Acts 2:1-4 is that first stage. "Receiving the anointing" is their conversion, Holy Spirit baptism in which the seed has been planted corporately.

 

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2 hours ago, Revelation Man said:

The Little Horn is not described as such in Revelation 13

Something to consider:

If the horn or beast were a man, what's the purpose of stating that he has eyes like a man?  And why would it say that he possessed a mouth?  Wouldn't that be a foregone conclusion?

The beast of Revelation 13:

  • There was given to him a mouth speaking arrogant words and blasphemies, and authority to act for forty-two months was given to him.  It was also given to him to make war with the saints and to overcome them.  Revelation 13:5, 7a

The fourth beast of Daniel 7:

  • And behold, this horn possessed eyes like the eyes of a man and a mouth uttering great boasts.  I kept looking, and that horn was waging war with the saints and overpowering them.  And they will be given into his hand for a time, times, and half a time.  Daniel 7:8b,21,25b

There is most certainly a tie-in between the the fourth beast of Daniel 7 and the beast from the sea in Revelation 13.  They both wage war with the saints for the same length of time and at the end of their stint are thrown into the fire.

The question is . . . who is the little / big horn and who serves as his eyes and mouth?

 

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2 hours ago, Heb 13:8 said:

Corporate conception is the first out of three stages iam. Acts 2:1-4 is that first stage. "Receiving the anointing" is their conversion, Holy Spirit baptism in which the seed has been planted corporately.

You are writing man's imaginations, not scripture. Sorry, but I will stick with what is written. "Corporate Conception" is not scriptural.  What IS scriptural is people being born again, which places them into the Body of Christ, and then receiving the mighty Baptism in the Holy Spirit which in the anointing for ministry. 

there's three stages to the body of Christ when discussing end times events.  More imagination.  The truth is, there is becoming born again, performed by the Holy Spirit, and the baptism in the Holy Spirit performed by Jesus Christ.

 

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56 minutes ago, Last Daze said:

Something to consider:

If the horn or beast were a man, what's the purpose of stating that he has eyes like a man?  And why would it say that he possessed a mouth?  Wouldn't that be a foregone conclusion?

The beast of Revelation 13:

  • There was given to him a mouth speaking arrogant words and blasphemies, and authority to act for forty-two months was given to him.  It was also given to him to make war with the saints and to overcome them.  Revelation 13:5, 7a

The fourth beast of Daniel 7:

  • And behold, this horn possessed eyes like the eyes of a man and a mouth uttering great boasts.  I kept looking, and that horn was waging war with the saints and overpowering them.  And they will be given into his hand for a time, times, and half a time.  Daniel 7:8b,21,25b

There is most certainly a tie-in between the the fourth beast of Daniel 7 and the beast from the sea in Revelation 13.  They both wage war with the saints for the same length of time and at the end of their stint are thrown into the fire.

The question is . . . who is the little / big horn and who serves as his eyes and mouth?

 

He will be the man of sin Paul wrote of, but after the midpoint of the week.  

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8 minutes ago, Last Daze said:

Something to consider:

If the horn or beast were a man, what's the purpose of stating that he has eyes like a man?  And why would it say that he possessed a mouth?  Wouldn't that be a foregone conclusion?

Because in Daniel all of the Beasts were Nations/Empires over Israel until the Little Horn. Then we are given those adjectives to show hes a MAN. 

Daniel 7:3 And four great beasts came up from the sea, diverse one from another.

Daniel 7:4 The first was like a lion, and had eagle's wings: I beheld till the wings thereof were plucked, and it was lifted up from the earth, and made stand upon the feet as a man, and a man's heart was given to it. 5 And behold another beast, a second, like to a bear, and it raised up itself on one side, and it had three ribs in the mouth of it between the teeth of it: and they said thus unto it, Arise, devour much flesh. 6 After this I beheld, and lo another, like a leopard, which had upon the back of it four wings of a fowl; the beast had also four heads; and dominion was given to it.

So we have Three Beasts who are actually Kingdoms passed from one king to another until one of the Kings eventually falls or loses Dominion. Then we have the Fourth Beast (BELOW) who is different from the other Beasts but then again all four of the Beasts were different from EACH OTHER according to verse 3, so that s a given, BUT.......there is a huge clue in verse 24 that nearly everyone misses because they associate it with verse 3, we can look at that later on and see why it not referencing verse 3, at least IMHO.

 Daniel 7:7 After this I saw in the night visions, and behold a fourth beast, dreadful and terrible, and strong exceedingly; and it had great iron teeth: it devoured and brake in pieces, and stamped the residue with the feet of it: and it was diverse from all the beasts that were before it; AND it had ten horns.

8 I considered the horns, and, behold, there came up among them another little horn, before whom there were three of the first horns plucked up by the roots: and, behold, in this horn were eyes like the eyes of man, and a mouth speaking great things.

Yes, this Fourth Beast is DIVERSE from the other three, but but three tells us hat already, because ALL FOUR are different from each other. Then it says AND IT HAS 10 HORNS !! Then it says another LITTLE HORN came up among the 10 [End Time Kings] and he had a EYES & a MOUTH, the other remember were seen as Kingdoms, not men per se. This is why we are told the Last Beast or Little Horn will have a Mouth and Eyes, who speaks Blaspheme. I am going to finish this part off with the next Four verses then I will show why I think verse 24 is so astounding. 

Daniel 7:9 I beheld till the thrones were cast down, and the Ancient of days did sit, whose garment was white as snow, and the hair of his head like the pure wool: his throne was like the fiery flame, and his wheels as burning fire. 10 A fiery stream issued and came forth from before him: thousand thousands ministered unto him, and ten thousand times ten thousand stood before him: the judgment was set, and the books were opened.

11 I beheld then because of the voice of the great words which the horn spake: I beheld even till the beast was slain, and his body destroyed, and given to the burning flame. 12 As concerning the rest of the beasts, they had their dominion taken away: yet their lives were prolonged for a season and time.

So we know this Little Horn/BEAST is an End Time Beast because we see the Judgment Seat of Jesus in verses 9 and 10. Then in verse 11 we see that Daniel saw this Little Horn/Beast SPOKE [as a Man], and Daniel watched until this man [Beast] was killed, his body DESTROYED and given unto the Burning Flames of hell. Then Daniel says, as concerning the REST (Beast 1, 2 and 3 because we see the END of the Fourth and its Little Horn Beast) of the Beasts, their (Beasts 1,2 and 3) DOMINION was taken away (they lost power) BUT.......Their lives [as Nations/Kingdoms] were prolonged for a SEASON and for a TIME, unlike the Anti-Christ Beast who will be cast STRAIGHT INTO Hell !!

In other Words Babylon was where Alexander the Great lived when he died, it lived on for a time. Persia is now Iran, t lives on for a time. Greece is a Kingdom today, the Anti-Christ, IMHO, is born in Greece. Rome is yet a Kingdom via Italy, and the Little Horn arises out of its European Footprint. BUT, this last Beast will not LIVE ON when he is defeated, he will be cast straight into hell fire. 

Now on to verse 24................Gabriel interprets the dream of Daniel for him.

Daniel 7:23 Thus he said, The fourth beast shall be the fourth kingdom upon earth (Rome), which shall be diverse from all kingdoms (ALL 4 were diverse from each other), and shall devour the whole earth, and shall tread it down, and break it in pieces.

24 And the ten horns out of this kingdom are ten kings that shall arise: and another shall rise after them; and he (Anti-Christ) shall be diverse from the first (Rome), and he shall subdue three kings.

25 And he shall speak great words against the most High, and shall wear out the saints of the most High, and think to change times and laws: and they shall be given into his hand until a time and times and the dividing of time.

As we see here, if we look closely, the Fourth Beast is DIFFERENT from the other THREE Beasts, as verse 3 says, but then Gabriel gives us a huge nugget if we can see it in verse 24. AND........the 10 horns are 10 Kings that will arise, AND another [Little Horn] shall arise with them and HE [Anti-Christ] shall be DIVERSE from.......THE FIRST, not all but ONLY from the First !! That's huge !! This means THE FIRST = Rome or the First Beast out of this Kingdom, meaning there is a Second Beast !! And we see that the Little Horn in Daniel 7:11 is called a Beast who is cast into hell. The Fourth Beast is DIFFERENT FROM ALL the Beasts.............but the Little Horn is only different from the FIRST BEAST (Rome) in that hes a MAN and Rome was a Kingdom passed from King to King. Rev. 17 tells this same story if we know what to look for. Its where the MOUNTAINS are also 7 Kings...........5 have fallen, ONE IS, and one is YET TO COME !! God REDUCES the Beast Heads from Kingdoms to MOUNTAINS (Rulers who Arise), and says they are also SEVEN KINGS........But why is this said ? God wants us to know the LAST BEAST HEAD is not a Kingdom per se, but a MAN who will FALL thus he reduces all of the Kingdoms to KINGS WHO have Fallen or WILL FALL !! Thus we know the Last King is a MAN who FALLS and is cast straight into hell !! 

1 hour ago, Last Daze said:

The beast of Revelation 13:

  • There was given to him a mouth speaking arrogant words and blasphemies, and authority to act for forty-two months was given to him.  It was also given to him to make war with the saints and to overcome them.  Revelation 13:5, 7a

The fourth beast of Daniel 7:

  • And behold, this horn possessed eyes like the eyes of a man and a mouth uttering great boasts.  I kept looking, and that horn was waging war with the saints and overpowering them.  And they will be given into his hand for a time, times, and half a time.  Daniel 7:8b,21,25b

There is most certainly a tie-in between the the fourth beast of Daniel 7 and the beast from the sea in Revelation 13.  They both wage war with the saints for the same length of time and at the end of their stint are thrown into the fire.

The question is . . . who is the little / big horn and who serves as his eyes and mouth?

 It most certainly is the same Beast...........hes just the Little Horn Beast in Daniel 7 and hes the Seventh Beast Head in Rev. ch. 20. In both places hes a MAN.........In 2 Thess. 2 hes the Man of Sin.........in Isaiah ch. 10 hes the Assyrian. 

Hes born in Greece, comes to power in the European Union and then he will wipe out all religions, including Islam.

 

 

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2 hours ago, Heb 13:8 said:

The last trump is the rapture which kick starts the 70th week. Jesus wasn't harpazo'd.

You still haven't answered my question. If not Jupiter, then how is the child birthed??

Find Jupiter in scripture, and I will then guess an answer. 

The rapture will be initiated by His coming. The rapture will then be the trigger for the Day of the Lord.  My guess is, there will be 10 days between the 6th seal and the 7th, and it will be the 7th seal which starts the 70th week.

In English, there is probably as dozen ways to say anything one wants to say.  It was probably the same in the Greek that Paul used in his day.  Just because exact words are not used is no proof that two events described are not the same event. 

Question: do you expect the body of Christ to be living in Judea when the time comes for the fleeing?

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5 hours ago, iamlamad said:

You are writing man's imaginations, not scripture. Sorry, but I will stick with what is written. "Corporate Conception" is not scriptural.  What IS scriptural is people being born again, which places them into the Body of Christ, and then receiving the mighty Baptism in the Holy Spirit which in the anointing for ministry. 

there's three stages to the body of Christ when discussing end times events.  More imagination.  The truth is, there is becoming born again, performed by the Holy Spirit, and the baptism in the Holy Spirit performed by Jesus Christ.

Well, corporate conception is scriptural if you tie it in with all three stages.

iam, again being "born again" is in reference to individual conception, the second stage.

You'll get there, don't worry.

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5 hours ago, iamlamad said:

Find Jupiter in scripture, and I will then guess an answer. 

iam, you're avoiding the question again so i will play your game. so hypothetically, if Jupiter does not represent the child in the womb in Rev 12:1-5, then what exactly represents the child?? if you do not answer then i will submit that you do not know.

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In English, there is probably as dozen ways to say anything one wants to say.  It was probably the same in the Greek that Paul used in his day.  Just because exact words are not used is no proof that two events described are not the same event.

And that is where context comes in. Was Jesus snatched away suddenly or obtained by robbery? No, he rose quietly and slowly in victory. There is a gigantic chasm in trying to combine the words in Acts 1:2, 9 and Rev 12:5.

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Question: do you expect the body of Christ to be living in Judea when the time comes for the fleeing?

No, the body of Christ is raptured prior to the first seal, Rev 12:5... Rev 12:7-9. Rapture is prior to Satan falling to earth. God bless.

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9 hours ago, iamlamad said:

He will be the man of sin Paul wrote of, but after the midpoint of the week.  

The man of sin is satan.The little horn is satan.The 2nd beast is satan.The son of perdition is satan.The dragon is satan.

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