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3 hours ago, iamlamad said:

I disagree. Around the world, when one "falls away" two or three are born again. The church is GROWING world wide, not losing. Soon the fullness of the Gentiles will have come in and we will hear a loud trumpet blast! And just as Paul said, it will come FIRST before the man of sin is revealed.

Well, I have no argument with this comment regarding the ekklesia not losing, iamlamad., 

I just stated that the Lord won't return until the last person destined to be saved is saved. As long as people are being saved there is a numerical growth of the Lord's body, whether your ratio is correct God knows. I see the falling away as more about people believing false doctrines in preference to the truth rather than Christians becoming atheists en masse.

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2 hours ago, iamlamad said:

You think that, but it is absolutely not truth. You have failed to recognize that Rev. 11:4-13 are written as a parenthesis with no bearing on chronology. The truth is, the two witnesses SHOW UP suddenly about 3 1/2 DAYS before the midpoint, testify for 1260 days - taking them to just 3 1/2 days before the end of the week. They lay dead those 3.5 days, then are raised up at the 7th vial earthquake. Their earthquake is the 7th vial earthquake.

There is no parathetical verses there in Rev.11 like you're trying to add. It is all in the order it is to occur. The Revelation 10 chapter is what is parenthetical, as it is a break in the events, and instead gives an insight as to the end. I see you Pre-trib Rapture folks try to do this all the time; when a Scripture goes against the timing of the pre-trib rapture doctrine of men, you throw in the parenthetical idea. Rev.19 is a big example of how you do that too, not realizing that the Rev.19:1-9 verses are actually taking place after... Christ's return, while the Rev.19:11-19 verses are about the day of Christ's coming. You guys can't really tell which end of the dog is front or back when it comes to prophetic timing in God's Word.


Rev.11:1-2 = events showing the existence of another temple in Jerusalem with those who worship inside (i.e., the Jews), and the event of the outer court being given to the Gentiles, and the Gentiles who tread the city for 42 months. That 42 months = 1260 days.

Rev.11:3-10 = God's two witnesses prophesying against the beast there for 1260 days, with the power to issue plagues. And when the 1260 days is over, the beast that ascends from the bottomless pit kills them, leaving their dead bodies laying in the street for 3 and 1/2 days. The deceived of the world rejoices over their dead bodies, and gives gifts to earth other.

And then...

Rev 11:11-15
11 And after three days and an half the Spirit of life from God entered into them, and they stood upon their feet; and great fear fell upon them which saw them.
12 And they heard a great voice from heaven saying unto them, Come up hither. And they ascended up to heaven in a cloud; and their enemies beheld them.
13 And the same hour was there a great earthquake, and the tenth part of the city fell, and in the earthquake were slain of men seven thousand: and the remnant were affrighted, and gave glory to the God of heaven.
14 The second woe is past; and, behold, the third woe cometh quickly.
15 And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever.
KJV

The two witnesses stand up, a voice from Heaven tells them to "Come up hither", and they ascend to Heaven in a cloud. The wicked on earth sees it all! Nothing parenthetical so far!

And in that "same hour", a great earthquake happens, 7,000 of men slain, ending the 2nd Woe.

Then in that same timeframe, the 7th trumpet sounds, and ALL the kingdoms on earth become those of The Father and His Son, which is a sign of Christ having returned and taken reign on earth over all nations and over all peoples.

There is not so much as an inkling of a parenthetical Scripture in that Rev.11 chapter. The events of the last 3 trumpets we can rely on for their order of events, 1, 2,3, right down the line, each woe period unfolding until the return of Jesus on the 7th trumpet - 3rd woe.

Do you wonder why that 7th trumpet is the 3rd woe?

It's because when that 7th trumpet happens, and Jesus reveals Himself to all eyes, the nations will be angry, because that is the day of His Wrath upon them, i.e., the "day of the Lord".

 

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2 hours ago, iamlamad said:

I disagree. Around the world, when one "falls away" two or three are born again. The church is GROWING world wide, not losing. Soon the fullness of the Gentiles will have come in and we will hear a loud trumpet blast! And just as Paul said, it will come FIRST before the man of sin is revealed.

Sorry, but your just mixed up again.

I must assume you refer to that trumpet blast as the day when Jesus comes to gather His Church, i.e,. what you folks call the rapture.

However that gathering doesn't happen UNTIL... the "man of sin" is revealed, which is what Apostle Paul taught. You have it the other way around, backwards.

2 Thess 2:1-4
2:1 Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto Him,
2 That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand.

The subject is the coming of our Lord Jesus and... our gathering to Him. (And by the way, that phrase "day of Christ" in the Greek is actually "day of the Lord". The Greek word kurios (lord) is in the manuscripts, not the word Greek christos which is Christ. The KJV translators changed it to "Christ".)

 

3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;
4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.
KJV

What "day"? The day of Christ's coming and our gathering per Paul in the very first verse. It won't happen "except"... an apostasi (falling away) happens AND... the "man of sin" is revealed.

BOTH events MUST occur before that "day" of Christ's coming to gather His Church.

 

But you declared it backwards! Shame, shame!

 

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3 hours ago, Salty said:

BOTH events MUST occur before that "day" of Christ's coming to gather His Church.

There are actually 4 events that must take place before the Day of the Lord begins.

1.  The world saying peace and safety, in 1Thessalonians5.  (because the world will think it has entered the messianic age)

2. There be a great falling away, in 2Thessalonians2:3      (because it will appear that the Antichrist is the real messiah)

3.  There be the rapture/resurrection, in 1Thessalonians5:9-11     (Who died for us, that, whether we wake or sleep, we should live together with him.)

4.  There be the transgression of desolation act, in 2Thessalonians 2:4    (Thus saith the Lord GOD; Because thine heart is lifted up, and thou hast said, I am a God, I sit in the seat of God, in the midst of the seas; yet thou art a man, and not God, though thou set thine heart as the heart of God:) 

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6 hours ago, Salty said:

Sorry, but your just mixed up again.

I must assume you refer to that trumpet blast as the day when Jesus comes to gather His Church, i.e,. what you folks call the rapture.

However that gathering doesn't happen UNTIL... the "man of sin" is revealed, which is what Apostle Paul taught. You have it the other way around, backwards.

2 Thess 2:1-4
2:1 Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto Him,
2 That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand.

The subject is the coming of our Lord Jesus and... our gathering to Him. (And by the way, that phrase "day of Christ" in the Greek is actually "day of the Lord". The Greek word kurios (lord) is in the manuscripts, not the word Greek christos which is Christ. The KJV translators changed it to "Christ".)

 

3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;
4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.
KJV

What "day"? The day of Christ's coming and our gathering per Paul in the very first verse. It won't happen "except"... an apostasi (falling away) happens AND... the "man of sin" is revealed.

BOTH events MUST occur before that "day" of Christ's coming to gather His Church.

 

But you declared it backwards! Shame, shame!

 

Let's set the record straight once again - since you have muddied the waters. The Textus Receptus and the Byzantine Majority have it as the day of Christ, Christos.  Other Greek Texts have it as Lord, or Kuriou. I look at it this way: Christ IS Lord, so Day of Christ or Day of the Lord are two ways of saying the same thing.  Paul used Day of the Lord in his first letter, so I like Day of the Lord better.

What were they worried about? What had gotten them so upset?  First, they were going through a very difficult time of tribulation. It was TOUGH to be a believer in Jesus at that time.  Then they either heard a prophecy or obtained a forged letter supposedly from Paul telling them that the Day of the Lord had come and what they were experiencing was in fact not just tribulation, but they were IN the Day of the Lord. 

Revelation was not written yet. Perhaps they did not know that from the start of the DAY it would be only 7 years before Christ would return in POWER to destroy the enemies of God. Paul tells us they were upset - greatly disturbed. Why? It is simple! In Paul's first letter, he showed them that the rapture could come FIRST, and as a trigger for the DAY.  In short, they thought now that Paul had been in error, or else they had MISSED the rapture!  I think almost anyone there would be upset! 

Paul could have just said, no, the rapture has not come yet, and you are not in the DAY yet. Instead, Paul gave them a sequence of events that anyone could know for SURE the DAY had come. How? When the man of sin would be revealed, all would KNOW the DAY had come and they were in it. That's how to know for sure the DAY has come: see the man of sin enter the temple and declare he is the God of the Jews. Anyone that sees that would know for certain the DAY has arrived and they were in it.

However, Paul tells them there is a restraining force preventing that from happening! In fact, Paul told them WHAT (who) that restraining force would be, and then wrote, "and now you know...!"  I find it amazing after Paul told us that many STILL don't know, because they simply cannot understand Paul. Perhaps this was one passage Peter was talking about when he wrote, "in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest..."

In fact, some on this forum wrest over this passage! Yet Paul TOLD US who the restrainer is! In verses 6-8 he tells us in very plain language that there is a force restraining the man of sin and preventing him from being revealed before the proper time - but at the proper time this restraining force would be "taken out of the way." All we need do is find where Paul wrote, "and now you know" and BACK UP and look for something "taken out of the way." Is that difficult? No. 

In fact, it is easy if we use the first translations into English. It was KJV that muddied the waters here.

2 Thes. 2:3  Geneva Bible (1560)  Let no man deceiue you by any meanes: for that day shall not come, except there come a departing first, and that that man of sinne be disclosed, euen the sonne of perdition,

Could a "departing" fit the bill as something that is "taken out of the way?"  Certainly it could! And we can know this is Paul's meaning, because in the latter part of this verse we read that the man of sin is now revealed - proving that the restraining force has now been taken out of the way.

What then is it that is "taken out of the way?" If anyone reads Strongs, he makes this real easy!

If we look up the first half of the compound Greek word "apostasia" we read this:

 of separation

    of local separation, after verbs of motion from a place i.e. of departing, of fleeing,...

    of separation of a part from the whole

        where of a whole some part is taken

        Physical: of distance of place

Therefore we see that in verse 3 Paul gets the restraining force removed, and the man of sin revealed. Then writes that the reader now knows who or what is doing this restraining. It is the CHURCH. But the CHURCH will be "taken out of the way" - which is Paul's theme. 

"However that gathering doesn't happen UNTIL... the "man of sin" is revealed"

Sorry, but it is YOU that have this backward, thinking "the DAY" and the rapture are synonymous terms.  What does Paul tell us comes FIRST? It is the APO-STASIA: where a part of the whole will be removed spatially a distance away from the rest of the whole - and it will happen so fast that the rest of the whole will appear stationary!  This is not difficult, unless one wears very thick preconceived glasses!

Paul is clear then: the departing must come first - the one restraining removed or departed - and THEN the man of sin will be revealed, and then all those left behind will KNOW: the Day of the Lord has come. 

Now compare with Paul's first letter:

Paul tells us a SUDDENLY is coming - at a time when people are thinking peace and safety. SUDDENLY a trumpet will sound, and the dead in Christ will fly up out of their graves. And if we read Matthew 27:  "the earth did quake...and the graves were opened..." we know that when the dead in Christ rise, that event will cause a worldwide earthquake! It will be Paul's "sudden destruction!

The in instant AFTER the dead in Christ are raised, Paul gives us a paradigm: a comparison between two groups of people according to their lifestyle: for those living in the light of the gospel, they get "salvation" (raptured) and get to "live together with Him" (So shall we ever be with the Lord).

But those living in the darkness, not born again, they get "sudden destruction." That would be the earthquake seen at the 6th seal in revelation. It will be worldwide because the dead in Christ will be found worldwide. Paul tells us this worldwide "sudden destruction" earthquake will be the start of the Day of the Lord, and the start of God's wrath. So we see this progression:

Dead in Christ rise

Those alive in Christ rise

Day of the Lord begins.

That is, the systematic destruction of the planet, exactly as the Old Testament verses on THE DAY tell us will happen. We see this destruction begin with the trumpet judments - which will all come with God's wrath.

Paul is in perfect agreement in his two letters. But it seems people WREST with Paul's letters and find them hard to understand. It is those pesky preconceived glasses getting in their way!

Sorry friend, but it is YOU that have this backwards. You are simply using preconceptions and not reading the text accurately.

More salt please!

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3 hours ago, douggg said:

There are actually 4 events that must take place before the Day of the Lord begins.

1.  The world saying peace and safety, in 1Thessalonians5.  (because the world will think it has entered the messianic age)

2. There be a great falling away, in 2Thessalonians2:3      (because it will appear that the Antichrist is the real messiah)

3.  There be the rapture/resurrection, in 1Thessalonians5:9-11     (Who died for us, that, whether we wake or sleep, we should live together with him.)

4.  There be the transgression of desolation act, in 2Thessalonians 2:4    (Thus saith the Lord GOD; Because thine heart is lifted up, and thou hast said, I am a God, I sit in the seat of God, in the midst of the seas; yet thou art a man, and not God, though thou set thine heart as the heart of God:) 

I disagree. Your timing of events is messed up. People are thinking peace and safety TODAY. And the rapture will happen on a day just like today. the "falling away" is a poor translation: it will be a catching away as the church is "taken out of the way."

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1 hour ago, iamlamad said:

I disagree. Your timing of events is messed up. People are thinking peace and safety TODAY. And the rapture will happen on a day just like today. the "falling away" is a poor translation: it will be a catching away as the church is "taken out of the way."

The order I presented is totally accurate.    The rapture may happen pre-70th week.    Or it may happen after the 70th week begins.      It has to happen before the Day of the Lord begins.    What is not known is how far before.

 

The problem with your argument of the falling away being the catching away of the church - is that doesn't address the other part of the event which is the resurrection of the bodies of the dead in Christ.

Look at 1Thessalonians5:9-11.      The dead in Christ are addressed.       Knowing the times, could mean knowing that we are close to when the world will be saying peace and safety - if we understand the Antichrist will be perceived to be the messiah and him anointed the King of Israel by the false prophet, will bring about that peace and safety mindset, especially coming on the heels of Gog/Magog.

Right now the world is not saying peace and safety, like it will be then.

9 For God hath not appointed us to wrath, but to obtain salvation by our Lord Jesus Christ,

10 Who died for us, that, whether we wake or sleep, we should live together with him.

11 Wherefore comfort yourselves together, and edify one another, even as also ye do.

 

 

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6 hours ago, Salty said:

There is no parathetical verses there in Rev.11 like you're trying to add. It is all in the order it is to occur. The Revelation 10 chapter is what is parenthetical, as it is a break in the events, and instead gives an insight as to the end. I see you Pre-trib Rapture folks try to do this all the time; when a Scripture goes against the timing of the pre-trib rapture doctrine of men, you throw in the parenthetical idea. Rev.19 is a big example of how you do that too, not realizing that the Rev.19:1-9 verses are actually taking place after... Christ's return, while the Rev.19:11-19 verses are about the day of Christ's coming. You guys can't really tell which end of the dog is front or back when it comes to prophetic timing in God's Word.


Rev.11:1-2 = events showing the existence of another temple in Jerusalem with those who worship inside (i.e., the Jews), and the event of the outer court being given to the Gentiles, and the Gentiles who tread the city for 42 months. That 42 months = 1260 days.

Rev.11:3-10 = God's two witnesses prophesying against the beast there for 1260 days, with the power to issue plagues. And when the 1260 days is over, the beast that ascends from the bottomless pit kills them, leaving their dead bodies laying in the street for 3 and 1/2 days. The deceived of the world rejoices over their dead bodies, and gives gifts to earth other.

And then...

Rev 11:11-15
11 And after three days and an half the Spirit of life from God entered into them, and they stood upon their feet; and great fear fell upon them which saw them.
12 And they heard a great voice from heaven saying unto them, Come up hither. And they ascended up to heaven in a cloud; and their enemies beheld them.
13 And the same hour was there a great earthquake, and the tenth part of the city fell, and in the earthquake were slain of men seven thousand: and the remnant were affrighted, and gave glory to the God of heaven.
14 The second woe is past; and, behold, the third woe cometh quickly.
15 And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever.
KJV

The two witnesses stand up, a voice from Heaven tells them to "Come up hither", and they ascend to Heaven in a cloud. The wicked on earth sees it all! Nothing parenthetical so far!

And in that "same hour", a great earthquake happens, 7,000 of men slain, ending the 2nd Woe.

Then in that same timeframe, the 7th trumpet sounds, and ALL the kingdoms on earth become those of The Father and His Son, which is a sign of Christ having returned and taken reign on earth over all nations and over all peoples.

There is not so much as an inkling of a parenthetical Scripture in that Rev.11 chapter. The events of the last 3 trumpets we can rely on for their order of events, 1, 2,3, right down the line, each woe period unfolding until the return of Jesus on the 7th trumpet - 3rd woe.

Do you wonder why that 7th trumpet is the 3rd woe?

It's because when that 7th trumpet happens, and Jesus reveals Himself to all eyes, the nations will be angry, because that is the day of His Wrath upon them, i.e., the "day of the Lord".

 

I cannot help it if you cannot recognize a parenthesis! That is on you, not me. The truth is, there will be FIVE events that start near the midpoint and go to the end of the week:

1. The city of Jerusalem will be trampled for 42 months.

2. The two witnesses will testify for 1260 days.

3. The fleeing will begin and last 1260 days.

4. Those that flee will be protected for time, times, and half of time.

5. The man of sin will get his 42 months of authority.

Have you ever watched (or participated) in a race on a track, where because of the curved track, the runners have a staggered start: some appear ahead of others on their starting blocks. Well, these five events also have a staggered beginning: the city will begin being trampled perhaps 3 1/2 days before the exact midpoint. 

That would be because the MAN OF SIN will enter Jerusalem just before the midpoint (he must first arrived and be in Jerusalem to enter the temple which will be in Jerusalem) with his Gentile armies. (I believe Muslim armies.)

Because he, the man of sin, shows us, suddenly the two witnesses show up, just 3 1/2 days before the man of sin will enter the temple and be revealed as the Beast of Revelation 13.  They will begin testifying and will continue for 1260 days - which will take them to just 3 1/2 days before the 7th vial that will end the week. They will lay dead for those 3 1/2 days, then be resurrected with all the rest of the Old Testament saints at the 7th vial that ends the week.

This is what will happen, and the way it will happen. 

Therefore, 11:4 through 11:13 are a parenthesis where John takes us on a SIDE journey down the path of the two witnesses through the entire last half of the week. But in verse 14, John snaps right back to the midpoint and sounds the 7th trumpet that marks the midpoint of the week. 

Make no mistake here: the 7th trumpet will sound in heaven at the moment the man of sin enters the temple and declares he is God on earth.

Ah! It's classical: posttribbers and prewrahters are forces to REARRANGE Revelation to fit THEIR theories. Sorry, no parenthesis in chapter 19. The church is there in heaven, having been raptured just before the 6th seal, and SEEN in the throne room in chapter 7.  They are there in heaven for the marriage and supper, and then  - THEN - Jesus descends to the battle, AFTER the marriage and supper have finished. 

The vials have the associated plagues and they will be poured out AFTER chapter 14! Your timing therefore is messed up. Its those pesky preconcived glasses again! 

I have a suggestion: throw all your preconceived theories into the trash and start over, this time following the TEXT as written!  You will find Paul and John are in perfect accord; that the rapture is pretrib (the church seen in heaven as the great crowd too large to number) and the 70th week or "trib" starting at the 7th seal.

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4 minutes ago, douggg said:

The order I presented is totally accurate.    The rapture may happen pre-70th week.    Or it may happen after the 70th week begins.      It has to happen before the Day of the Lord begins.    What is not known is how far before.

 

The problem with your argument of the falling away being the catching away of the church - is that doesn't address the other part of the event which is the resurrection of the bodies of the dead in Christ.

Look at 1Thessalonians5:9-11.      The dead in Christ are addressed.       Knowing the times, could mean knowing that we are close to when the world will be saying peace and safety - if we understand the Antichrist will be perceived to be the messiah and him anointed the King of Israel by the false prophet, will bring about that peace and safety mindset, especially coming on the heels of Gog/Magog.

Right now the world is not saying peace and safety, like it will be then.

9 For God hath not appointed us to wrath, but to obtain salvation by our Lord Jesus Christ,

10 Who died for us, that, whether we wake or sleep, we should live together with him.

11 Wherefore comfort yourselves together, and edify one another, even as also ye do.

 

 

Dougg, you should know, there will only be microseconds or less between the dead in Christ rising and those who are alive being changed and flying up to be together with the dead in Christ. It will all happen so fast it will seem as one event. The dead in Christ rising will start a worldwide earthquake, Paul's "sudden destruction" but those who are alive and in Christ will be snatched up just as the ground begins to shake. 

It will be those left behind that will be caught in this sudden destruction earthquake. there will be no escape because it will be worldwide.  The truth is, Paul TELLS US when: his rapture will come just a moment before this sudden destruction earthquake that will start the DAy of the Lord and God's wrath.  

Your order is messed up, not following the scriptures.

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Salty, if you wish to be left behind so you can see the man of sin turn into the Beast, I suspect God will give you your desire. As for most of the Body of Christ on earth, they will chose the escape all these things and fly away.  My question to you is, since God has prepared a way of escape from His wrath, why are you so determined to go through His wrath?

Would it not be much better to be in heaven during the time "all these things" are taking place on earth?

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