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Is 1 Thess 5:1 telling us that we do not need scripture, youtube or the internet to know when the Day of the Lord comes.

graphó: to write
Original Word: γράφω
Part of Speech: Verb
Transliteration: graphó
Phonetic Spelling: (graf'-o)
Short Definition: I write
Definition: I write; pass: it is written, it stands written (in the scriptures).

The Day of the Lord

1Now, brothers and sisters, about times and dates we do not need to write (graphó) to you, 2for you know very well that the day of the Lord will come like a thief in the night. 3While people are saying, “Peace and safety,” destruction will come on them suddenly, as labor pains on a pregnant woman, and they will not escape.

4But you, brothers and sisters, are not in darkness so that this day should surprise you like a thief. 5You are all children of the light and children of the day. We do not belong to the night or to the darkness. 6So then, let us not be like others, who are asleep, but let us be awake and sober. 7For those who sleep, sleep at night, and those who get drunk, get drunk at night. 8But since we belong to the day, let us be sober, putting on faith and love as a breastplate, and the hope of salvation as a helmet. 9For God did not appoint us to suffer wrath but to receive salvation through our Lord Jesus Christ. 10He died for us so that, whether we are awake or asleep, we may live together with him. 11Therefore encourage one another and build each other up, just as in fact you are doing.

This should be in prophecy section. - Heb

 

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1 hour ago, Heb 13:8 said:

Is 1 Thess 5:1 telling us that we do not need scripture, youtube or the internet to know when the Day of the Lord comes.

graphó: to write
Original Word: γράφω
Part of Speech: Verb
Transliteration: graphó
Phonetic Spelling: (graf'-o)
Short Definition: I write
Definition: I write; pass: it is written, it stands written (in the scriptures).

The Day of the Lord

1Now, brothers and sisters, about times and dates we do not need to write (graphó) to you, 2for you know very well that the day of the Lord will come like a thief in the night. 3While people are saying, “Peace and safety,” destruction will come on them suddenly, as labor pains on a pregnant woman, and they will not escape.

4But you, brothers and sisters, are not in darkness so that this day should surprise you like a thief. 5You are all children of the light and children of the day. We do not belong to the night or to the darkness. 6So then, let us not be like others, who are asleep, but let us be awake and sober. 7For those who sleep, sleep at night, and those who get drunk, get drunk at night. 8But since we belong to the day, let us be sober, putting on faith and love as a breastplate, and the hope of salvation as a helmet. 9For God did not appoint us to suffer wrath but to receive salvation through our Lord Jesus Christ. 10He died for us so that, whether we are awake or asleep, we may live together with him. 11Therefore encourage one another and build each other up, just as in fact you are doing.

This should be in prophecy section. - Heb

 

All positional views on the rapture find support in the idea that we don't know [YET]  the time of his return.   But,  the times and seasons will come,  in which we will know, that his return is truly imminent.   Those who don't recognize the signs,  BY WATCHING,  will be in danger of being left behind,  because they made themselves not ready. 

Blessings

The PuP 

P.S.  Jesus said to watch...

AND

He said,  "Be ye ALSO ready! "  Watching is a precursor to being ready, whether you are watching now,  or in the future. 

Pup  

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27 minutes ago, Da Puppers said:

Those who don't recognize the signs,  BY WATCHING,  will be in danger of being left behind,  because they made themselves not ready.

No, partial rapture is false. The "oil" in Matt 25 is describing the indwelling Holy Spirit which never leaves a believer in Christ. I don't think God will punish those who chose not to have youtube or the internet, for these are man made things. - Heb

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So how would the thessalonican's not be surprised like a thief without believers on the internet warning them? Can believers in 2018 just know when that day comes without the internet?

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1 hour ago, Heb 13:8 said:

No, partial rapture is false. The "oil" in Matt 25 is describing the indwelling Holy Spirit which never leaves a believer in Christ. I don't think God will punish those who chose not to have youtube or the internet, for these are man made things. - Heb

I did not,  nor do I support the notion of a partial rapture.   Something about what you believe has led you to that conclusion.   My guess is you do not recognize the gravity of the times that precede the rapture.   Severe persecution and great tribulation, to be followed by great peace and the need to rebuild society,  will cause many to fall away.   I would recommend rereading the parable of the sower of seeds.   

Those who do not being forth fruit (by the fruit that we bear shall we be known) failed to do so (sown among thorns and on stony ground)  are said by Jesus to fall away.  The interpretative reason? 

Stony ground, says Jesus is tribulation and persecution.

Thorns are the cares of this life and the deceitfulness of riches.   These are the things that will manifest the absence of the holy ghost. 

 The virgins oil is not simply the holy ghost,  but it is the manifest presence of the holy and righteous son of God dwelling within.  The wisdom to understanding the difference between the wise and foolish (virgins)  is found in Matt 7.  There Jesus says that the "wise" man hears the sayings of Jesus AND DOES THEM,  whereas,  the "foolish" man is the one who hears, but does not.   Inn other words,  walking in righteousness or walking inn iniquity. 

*[[Mat 7:21]] KJV* Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.

*[[Mat 7:22]] KJV* Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?

*[[Mat 7:23]] KJV* And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

When will Jesus say this?   "IN THAT DAY".  What day is that?  When the storms of life beast vehemently upon your house... The time of the end ... after the great storm! 

Blessings

The PuP 

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Let's try to stay on topic. 

1 Thess 5:4 says they will not be surprised like a thief.

For example, what if Joe Bob who is a believer in Christ lives in the mountains and chooses not to have internet or tv. Not only that, but he no longer has any friends or family who are believers. The only thing he clings too is his Bible and his faith. Will Joe Bob be surprised like a thief because he didn't watch the right youtube video on the rapture or he didn't read the right article in a Christian magazine.

Because according to 1 Thess 5:1, 4, believers do not need scripture, times and seasons told to them when that day comes (the Day of the Lord).

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36 minutes ago, Heb 13:8 said:

Let's try to stay on topic. 

1 Thess 5:4 says they will not be surprised like a thief.

For example, what if Joe Bob who is a believer in Christ lives in the mountains and chooses not to have internet or tv. Not only that, but he no longer has any friends or family who are believers. The only thing he clings too is his Bible and his faith. Will Joe Bob be surprised like a thief because he didn't watch the right youtube video on the rapture or he didn't read the right article in a Christian magazine.

Because according to 1 Thess 5:1, 4, believers do not need scripture, times and seasons told to them when that day comes (the Day of the Lord).

 Your implication seems to be that there is no need to watch. 

*[[1Th 5:6]] KJV* Therefore let us not sleep, as do others; but let us watch and be sober.

To watch is to pay attention to what is going on around you.   And if you are watching for events, then that musty mean that there is something to be watching for.   And if there is something to be watching for,  (as a Christian)  then that means it is found in God's word.   

To be sober means to bee keenly aware of your surroundings.   The implication is to be in a watchful attitude,  but not necessarily naming the specifics.   As I have already said,  that is found within the command to watch.   But i get the impression that you think that watching is inconsequential (being without any consequences) and unnecessary. 

Blessings

The PuP 

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9 hours ago, Da Puppers said:

 Your implication seems to be that there is no need to watch. 

*[[1Th 5:6]] KJV* Therefore let us not sleep, as do others; but let us watch and be sober.

To watch is to pay attention to what is going on around you.   And if you are watching for events, then that musty mean that there is something to be watching for.   And if there is something to be watching for,  (as a Christian)  then that means it is found in God's word.   

To be sober means to bee keenly aware of your surroundings.   The implication is to be in a watchful attitude,  but not necessarily naming the specifics.   As I have already said,  that is found within the command to watch.   But i get the impression that you think that watching is inconsequential (being without any consequences) and unnecessary. 

Blessings

The PuP 

Wouldn't all the bad news in the world desensitize us though? Matt 6:22

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4 minutes ago, Heb 13:8 said:

Wouldn't all the bad news in the world desensitize us though? Matt 6:22

Do you believe that God is in control of every situation?   

The PuP

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1 hour ago, Da Puppers said:

Do you believe that God is in control of every situation?   

The PuP

Absolutely.

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