Last Daze Posted July 31, 2018 Group: Royal Member Followers: 9 Topic Count: 84 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 3,987 Content Per Day: 1.13 Reputation: 2,517 Days Won: 4 Joined: 07/17/2014 Status: Offline Author Share Posted July 31, 2018 11 hours ago, Cobalt1959 said: It simply points out that none of you have actually "separated yourself from the world" as you claim to, otherwise you would be completely off the grid and you certainly would not be on an Internet forum debating eschatology. "Going off the grid" is not the meaning of Romans 12:2, or 1 John 2:15-17, or 2 Corinthians 6:15-18 or any new testament usage of the concept of sanctification. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diaste Posted July 31, 2018 Group: Royal Member Followers: 14 Topic Count: 66 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 6,599 Content Per Day: 2.00 Reputation: 2,355 Days Won: 2 Joined: 03/17/2015 Status: Offline Share Posted July 31, 2018 3 hours ago, shiloh357 said: There are consequences for sin. Those who obeyed the Gospel before the Tribulation started do not go through the Tribulation. Those who rejected Jesus prior to the Trib, but received him during the Tribulation will have to go through with it. The consequences of sin don't disappear when you get saved. They still die and go to be the with the Lord, but sin has its own consequences and God never circumvents that. That doesn't answer the question. Why do these believers endure God's wrath? Pretrib escapes based on 'we are not appointed to wrath'. Pretrib touts 'no believer will see wrath'. So you see yourself and the pretrib church as fully compliant with the Gospel? Sinless, in other words? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel 11:36 Posted July 31, 2018 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 2 Topic Count: 10 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 1,957 Content Per Day: 0.57 Reputation: 295 Days Won: 0 Joined: 10/17/2014 Status: Offline Share Posted July 31, 2018 (edited) Any person who has been bought by the blood of Jesus Christ in today's world will leave the earth just before the Lord's tribulation comes Post tribulation teaching is false and those who teach it will go through the coming tribulation This period of time is very different and will involve the Lord's wrath and destruction of a lost world Some will turn to the Lord during this period of time but not many and if so they will be saved .... primarily those of Israel and some Gentiles Those who turn to the Lord and die in this tribulation will be resurrected at the end of it .... and those who live will enter and populate the Lord's one thousand year millennial kingdom as mortals These things the scriptures teach and those who reject this truth are teaching false theology There are several on this forum who do this and they are going to find out what they have done .... some will turn to the Lord during the coming tribulation, but most will not If any die before the tribulation comes they will end up at the great white throne judgment just after the Lord's millennial kingdom and they will be consummated in His lake of fire And if they are alive during the coming tribulation and do not repent their destination will be the same Those who teach post tribulation theology and lead others astray are on a bad road .... do not believe what they tell you All must believe in Jesus Christ in order to be saved whether on this side of the tribulation or in it Post tribulation theology is a ruse and one that will lead those who believe it to their eternal death Edited July 31, 2018 by Daniel 11:36 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest shiloh357 Posted July 31, 2018 Share Posted July 31, 2018 3 hours ago, Diaste said: That doesn't answer the question. Why do these believers endure God's wrath? Pretrib escapes based on 'we are not appointed to wrath'. Pretrib touts 'no believer will see wrath' Those who are believers NOW will not see that wrath. Quote So you see yourself and the pretrib church as fully compliant with the Gospel? Sinless, in other words? Nope. No one is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diaste Posted July 31, 2018 Group: Royal Member Followers: 14 Topic Count: 66 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 6,599 Content Per Day: 2.00 Reputation: 2,355 Days Won: 2 Joined: 03/17/2015 Status: Offline Share Posted July 31, 2018 1 hour ago, Daniel 11:36 said: Any person who has been bought by the blood of Jesus Christ in today's world will leave the earth just before the Lord's tribulation comes Post tribulation teaching is false and those who teach it will go through the coming tribulation This period of time is very different and will involve the Lord's wrath and destruction of a lost world Some will turn to the Lord during this period of time but not many and if so they will be saved .... primarily those of Israel and some Gentiles Those who turn to the Lord and die in this tribulation will be resurrected at the end of it .... and those who live will enter and populate the Lord's one thousand year millennial kingdom as mortals These things the scriptures teach and those who reject this truth are teaching false theology There are several on this forum who do this and they are going to find out what they have done .... some will turn to the Lord during the coming tribulation, but most will not If any die before the tribulation comes they will end up at the great white throne judgment just after the Lord's millennial kingdom and they will be consummated in His lake of fire And if they are alive during the coming tribulation and do not repent their destination will be the same Those who teach post tribulation theology and lead others astray are on a bad road .... do not believe what they tell you All must believe in Jesus Christ in order to be saved whether on this side of the tribulation or in it Post tribulation theology is a ruse and one that will lead those who believe it to their eternal death I agree. Post trib is unsustainable. Before wrath falls is valid as truth and reality. Wrath will begin after the A of D but before the end of the week. The gathering will occur at Jesus coming after the A of D but some months before the end of the week, as it is written. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diaste Posted July 31, 2018 Group: Royal Member Followers: 14 Topic Count: 66 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 6,599 Content Per Day: 2.00 Reputation: 2,355 Days Won: 2 Joined: 03/17/2015 Status: Offline Share Posted July 31, 2018 2 minutes ago, shiloh357 said: Nope. No one is. So then you are going into tribulation. You said in a previous post only those who obeyed the Gospel will be taken. So you did or did not, or do or do not, obey the Gospel? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest shiloh357 Posted July 31, 2018 Share Posted July 31, 2018 Just now, Diaste said: So then you are going into tribulation. You said in a previous post only those who obeyed the Gospel will be taken. So you did or did not, or do or do not, obey the Gospel? I said that those who obey the Gospel, which means, those who get saved as commanded by the Gospel. Those who are saved NOW, will not go through the Tribulation. The rest of the unregenerate and religionists who belong to the apostate church will definitely go through the Tribulation. There will be a church that goes through the tribulation. It just won't be THE Church. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diaste Posted July 31, 2018 Group: Royal Member Followers: 14 Topic Count: 66 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 6,599 Content Per Day: 2.00 Reputation: 2,355 Days Won: 2 Joined: 03/17/2015 Status: Offline Share Posted July 31, 2018 3 minutes ago, shiloh357 said: I said that those who obey the Gospel, which means, those who get saved as commanded by the Gospel. Those who are saved NOW, will not go through the Tribulation. The rest of the unregenerate and religionists who belong to the apostate church will definitely go through the Tribulation. There will be a church that goes through the tribulation. It just won't be THE Church. Ok. So if that's confessing Jesus is Lord and believing God raised Him from the dead, the same shall be saved, that would include me. Why am I not expecting a pretrib rapture? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel 11:36 Posted July 31, 2018 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 2 Topic Count: 10 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 1,957 Content Per Day: 0.57 Reputation: 295 Days Won: 0 Joined: 10/17/2014 Status: Offline Share Posted July 31, 2018 The Lord's wrath and judgment will last during the 70th week decreed beginning here {Revelation 6:12-17] .... and ending here [Revelation 19:11-21] The entire 70th week will be the Lord's wrath and judgment against an unbelieving world Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest shiloh357 Posted July 31, 2018 Share Posted July 31, 2018 6 minutes ago, Diaste said: Ok. So if that's confessing Jesus is Lord and believing God raised Him from the dead, the same shall be saved, that would include me. You will, if you are actually saved. Anyone can claim they are saved, but I really don't know if you are or not. If you are, you will not go through Tribulation. I hope you are truly born again so you don't have to go through it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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