Behold Posted July 13, 2018 Group: Mars Hill Followers: 7 Topic Count: 87 Topics Per Day: 0.03 Content Count: 3,795 Content Per Day: 1.36 Reputation: 6 Days Won: 3 Joined: 07/30/2016 Status: Offline Share Posted July 13, 2018 (edited) So what is the confusion here? The Rapture precedes the 2nd Advent. How do we know? Well, we are told we will meet Jesus in the Air, and that we'll all be changed.........you've read this in your NT?.....as its in mine. So, is there a scripture that says...."after the 2nd advent, Christ will go up in the air"....or "after the 2nd Advent, Christ will NEXT, go up in the air to meet His bride".....ect. No, once he's back, he slays. (2nd Thess 1:8) and the Trib ENDS.... and then He stays, and we stay with Him for a thousand years. (ML Reign of Christ).......so, whatever happens before he lands (2nd Advent) (2nd Thess 1:8) and begins the final process of ending the G-Trib...is the time of the Rapture.......As once Jesus returns, He is here to stay.....and us with Him, till the ML Reign , ends. So, simply stated.......we know that the rapture is defined as that occurrence where we Meet Jesus in the Air...and are CHANGED....... So, this makes the rapture obviously Pre-Trib, because there is no Trib Scripture, OR, 2nd Advent Scripture, that says that once Jesus comes down, He goes back up to meet us in the Air. And that is because the only time He meets his Bride in the Air, is before he comes back to stay. And this is why we come with Him, .......we are already with Him, (already Raptured) when He comes to rule and reign....2nd Advent. Edited July 13, 2018 by Behold Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philadelphianlady Posted July 13, 2018 Group: Members Followers: 2 Topic Count: 3 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 70 Content Per Day: 0.03 Reputation: 31 Days Won: 0 Joined: 06/25/2018 Status: Offline Birthday: 07/24/1947 Author Share Posted July 13, 2018 20 hours ago, Sojourner414 said: How exactly do you see it the "opposite" when the words plainly say "those who are alive and remain will be caught up together"? "Together" doesn't mean "one stays and the other goes. Keep in mind also that the Lord said. "God is the God of the living, not the dead"; those who have passed on before us are alive in God. They have eternal life! Together means all those who are alive. The dead come back with Christ. Period. And those who are alive are joined with them at the second coming. What it is not is there is a secret rapture of the alive and dead, and then 7 years later the dead and the alive come back with Christ to meet the Christian Jews who are alive and have remained on earth.. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel 11:36 Posted July 13, 2018 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 2 Topic Count: 10 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 1,957 Content Per Day: 0.57 Reputation: 295 Days Won: 0 Joined: 10/17/2014 Status: Offline Share Posted July 13, 2018 Absurd comment by PH Lady .... both the dead in Christ and the living at the time will be caught up together to meet the Lord in the air You are playing games with scripture Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philadelphianlady Posted July 13, 2018 Group: Members Followers: 2 Topic Count: 3 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 70 Content Per Day: 0.03 Reputation: 31 Days Won: 0 Joined: 06/25/2018 Status: Offline Birthday: 07/24/1947 Author Share Posted July 13, 2018 (edited) 1 hour ago, Daniel 11:36 said: Absurd comment by PH Lady .... both the dead in Christ and the living at the time will be caught up together to meet the Lord in the air You are playing games with scripture Hi Daniel, Are you coming from a pre-trib or post trib standpoint? The way I see 1 Thessalonians 4 about this: 3 But I do not want you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning those who have fallen asleep, lest you sorrow as others who have no hope. 14 For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so God will bring with Him those who sleep in Jesus. 15 For this we say to you by the word of the Lord, that we who are alive and remain until the coming of the Lord will by no means precede those who are asleep. 16 For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of an archangel, and with the trumpet of God. And the dead in Christ will rise first. 17 Then we who are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And thus we shall always be with the Lord. 18 Therefore comfort one another with these words. 1. Christ returns with the spirits of those who sleep in Chirst - no one alive comes back as pre-tribbers claim. This debunks that false theory. 2. The dead bodies rise first, are reunited with their now glorified bodies and rise in the air. 3. Those who are alive and have never died, are changed with immortal bodies and rise to meet them in the air. Edited July 13, 2018 by Philadelphianlady 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel 11:36 Posted July 13, 2018 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 2 Topic Count: 10 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 1,957 Content Per Day: 0.57 Reputation: 295 Days Won: 0 Joined: 10/17/2014 Status: Offline Share Posted July 13, 2018 "Christ returns with the spirits of those who sleep in Chirst - no one alive comes back as pre-tribbers claim. This debunks that false theory" You are flat wrong my friend Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ENOCH2010 Posted July 14, 2018 Group: Senior Member Followers: 8 Topic Count: 6 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 907 Content Per Day: 0.20 Reputation: 382 Days Won: 0 Joined: 11/03/2011 Status: Offline Birthday: 07/07/1866 Share Posted July 14, 2018 2 hours ago, Daniel 11:36 said: "Christ returns with the spirits of those who sleep in Chirst - no one alive comes back as pre-tribbers claim. This debunks that false theory" You are flat wrong my friend How about some scripture proving the lady is wrong, not your opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel 11:36 Posted July 14, 2018 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 2 Topic Count: 10 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 1,957 Content Per Day: 0.57 Reputation: 295 Days Won: 0 Joined: 10/17/2014 Status: Offline Share Posted July 14, 2018 Don't you have a Bible son? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philadelphianlady Posted July 14, 2018 Group: Members Followers: 2 Topic Count: 3 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 70 Content Per Day: 0.03 Reputation: 31 Days Won: 0 Joined: 06/25/2018 Status: Offline Birthday: 07/24/1947 Author Share Posted July 14, 2018 (edited) 4 hours ago, Daniel 11:36 said: "Christ returns with the spirits of those who sleep in Chirst - no one alive comes back as pre-tribbers claim. This debunks that false theory" You are flat wrong my friend ROFL You make a statement with no proof? Edited July 14, 2018 by Philadelphianlady Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel 11:36 Posted July 14, 2018 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 2 Topic Count: 10 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 1,957 Content Per Day: 0.57 Reputation: 295 Days Won: 0 Joined: 10/17/2014 Status: Offline Share Posted July 14, 2018 (edited) You are the "ROLFER" for sure lady .... I can see this with just a glance at what you are telling about the dead in Christ and those living at the time Come back when you dump your post tribulation rant and then we can talk about things Edited July 14, 2018 by Daniel 11:36 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philadelphianlady Posted July 14, 2018 Group: Members Followers: 2 Topic Count: 3 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 70 Content Per Day: 0.03 Reputation: 31 Days Won: 0 Joined: 06/25/2018 Status: Offline Birthday: 07/24/1947 Author Share Posted July 14, 2018 (edited) 2 hours ago, Daniel 11:36 said: You are the "ROLFER" for sure lady .... I can see this with just a glance at what you are telling about the dead in Christ and those living at the time Come back when you dump your post tribulation rant and then we can talk about things You can be as nasty as you like. Where is your scripture to back up your doctrine without twisting any? Let's see if it is true of false. Edited July 14, 2018 by Philadelphianlady Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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