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Only the Dead in Christ Return With Him

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4 hours ago, Daniel 11:36 said:

"Christ returns with the spirits of those who sleep in Chirst - no one alive comes back as pre-tribbers claim. This debunks that false theory"

 

You are flat wrong my friend

ROFL You make a statement with no proof?

Edited by Philadelphianlady

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You are the "ROLFER" for sure lady .... I can see this with just a glance at what you are telling about the dead in Christ and those living at the time

Come back when you dump your post tribulation rant and then we can talk about things

Edited by Daniel 11:36
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2 hours ago, Daniel 11:36 said:

You are the "ROLFER" for sure lady .... I can see this with just a glance at what you are telling about the dead in Christ and those living at the time

Come back when you dump your post tribulation rant and then we can talk about things

 

You can be as nasty as you like. Where is your scripture to back up your doctrine without twisting any? Let's see if it is true of false.

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I like this simple summary by the late Chuck Missler apart from the pretrib leaning which doesn't tie in with Revelation 13, but lets not be dogmatic at this stage.

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It appears Jesus doesn't come back with any saints.  He returns with a vast army of angels as the dead in Christ have just been raised and those who are alive and remain until the coming of the Lord have just been removed from the earth. 1 Thess 4, " 15 According to the Lord’s word, we tell you that we who are still alive, who are left until the coming of the Lord..." says Paul.

These who are alive and remain to the Lord's coming are raised after the dead in Christ to meet the Lord in the clouds in the air, where Jesus is already present, with His armies.

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18 hours ago, Daniel 11:36 said:

The rapture listing above is correct

Not correct. It assumes a pretrib rapture. It's consistent with doctrine, not scripture. Therefore it is of mankind not the Spirit. This widely held pretrib rapture verse besets the doctrine from which it is derived,

1 Thessalonians 4:16

For the Lord himself will descend from heaven with a cry of command, with the voice of an archangel, and with the sound of the trumpet of God. And the dead in Christ will rise first.

There is no secret imminent 'rapture' if 4 prophesied events occur before. The Lord descending, the loud command, the voice of the archangel, and the sound of a trumpet are all prophesied events that occur immediately prior to the gathering. A major proof of pretrib doctrine refutes the doctrine at the onset.

This is similar to Matt 24:30-31, "...the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven, with power and great glory.d 31 And he will send his angels with a loud trumpet call,..." which some say is for Israel alone. If that's true then 1 Thess 4:16 is only for Israel as well.

 

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On 7/1/2018 at 9:17 AM, Philadelphianlady said:

The bodies of the dead raise at that time and put on immortality. But the spirits of the dead in Christ return with Him. The alive do not come back with Him.

This is correct... This will happen on the Day of the LORD.. The return of the LORD Jesus Christ... Pre-tribulation rapture is simply wrong.. But it is an enticing escapist doctrine that a lot of people Want to believe is true because people naturally do not want to face persecution.. But millions of Christians have faced persecution down through the centuries and you can be assured the anti-christ and his followers on earth will persecute followers of Jesus during the end times..

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28 minutes ago, Daniel 11:36 said:

Only those who turn to the Lord during the coming tribulation period 

Yes. Under the total temporal tyranny of the man of sin those who consider doing commerce on his terms while on earth a greater priority than storing up treasure in heaven on God's terms, will be under strong delusion, doing whatever he requires of them. We see this throughout history on a smaller scale under every dictatorship.

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