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12 hours ago, Retrobyter said:

(1) to-finish the-transgression,
(2) to make an end of sins,
(3) to make reconciliation for iniquity,
(4) to usher in righteousness of [the] ages,
(5) to seal up vision and prophecy, and
(6) to anoint [the] Holy of Holies:

Do you really think that Daniel's people (Israel) could perform ANY of these purposes? These were and are to be fulfilled by the Messiah! HE presented Himself as David's "Seed" to Israel at the beginning of the 70th Seven, i.e., at His baptism (when He was anointed by the Ruwach haQodesh, the Holy Spirit, John 1:29-34) and initial presentation in the Temple (John 2:13-25)! Just what do you think the "gospel of the Kingdom" is anyway?

Roy

Read Dan 9:24 again.  This Prophecy states that Daniel's People, and Daniel's holy city are TO do these 6 tasks by the end of the final or 70th Week.  This all happens on that day.  Zech 7:16 - The Lord their God will save them on that day as the flock of his peopleOn the day of their Salvation, Israel will finish their transgressions, they will make an end to their sins, they will (atone for their wickedness) make reconciliation for their iniquity, they will bring in everlasting righteousness, they will seal up vision and prophecy (Zech 13:5  He will say, I am not a Prophet), to Anoint the Most Holy (the Most Holy Place, or the Most Holy One),  Israel must Anoint Christ as their King. 1 Kings 5:3 - and they anointed David king over Israel.

I rest my case.

In Christ

Montana Marv

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15 hours ago, OldCoot said:

Except the sacrifices were not ended. And the desolation of verse 27 is talking about the wing of the temple.  That did not happen in the 3.5 years following Yeshua's death.

One of the key components is "the end of it shall be with a flood" in verse 26.   This has the idea in Hebrew of being swept away and many scholars believe it refers to the diaspora of the Hebrew people.  "the end of it" refers grammatically to the aforementioned week, which is the same end week that Messiah was cut off.  And it happens before the covenant is confirmed later.

But we can have fun picking apart these passages and trying to come to some sort of general consensus.  None of us have all the details totally worked out.  

Shalom, Cliff.

Ah, but the sacrifices WERE ended. What is a "sacrifice" if God is no longer willing to accept it as such? It's nothing more than just another animal slaughtering. God's wrath against sin was SATISFIED by the death of His Son, Yeshua`. No further sacrifice was needed! Read Hebrews 10 in this light:

Hebrews 10:1-15 (KJV)

1 For the law having a shadow of good things to come, and not the very image of the things, can never with those sacrifices which they offered year by year continually make the comers thereunto perfect. 2 For then would they not have ceased to be offered? because that the worshippers once purged should have had no more conscience of sins. 3 But in those sacrifices there is a remembrance again made of sins every year. 4 For it is not possible that the blood of bulls and of goats should take away sins.

5 Wherefore when he cometh into the world, he saith, Sacrifice and offering thou wouldest not, but a body hast thou prepared me:

6 In burnt offerings and sacrifices for sin thou hast had no pleasure.

7 Then said I, Lo, I come (in the volume of the book it is written of me,) to do thy will, O God.

8 Above when he said, Sacrifice and offering and burnt offerings and offering for sin thou wouldest not, neither hadst pleasure therein; which are offered by the law; 9 Then said he, Lo, I come to do thy will, O God. He taketh away the first, that he may establish the second. 10 By the which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.

11 And every priest standeth daily ministering and offering oftentimes the same sacrifices, which can never take away sins: 12 But this man, after he had offered one sacrifice for sins for ever, sat down on the right hand of God; 13 From henceforth expecting till his enemies be made his footstool. 14 For by one offering he hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified.

And, God was satisfied by His sacrifice:

Isaiah 53:8-11 (KJV)

8 He was taken from prison and from judgment: and who shall declare his generation? for he was cut off out of the land of the living: for the transgression of my people was he stricken.

9 And he made his grave with the wicked, and with the rich in his death; because he had done no violence, neither was any deceit in his mouth.

10 Yet it pleased the LORD to bruise him; he hath put him to grief: when thou shalt make his soul an offering for sin, he shall see his seed, he shall prolong his days, and the pleasure of the LORD shall prosper in his hand.

11 He shall see of the travail of his soul, and shall be satisfied: by his knowledge shall my righteous servant justify many; for he shall bear their iniquities.

And, verse 27 is NOT talking about the "wing of the temple." Somebody (who?) made that up, trying to squirm out of the wording, but the Hebrew (transliterated) says, "v’`al k’naf shiquwtsiym m’shomeem," meaning "and-against  a-spreadout-wing  of-abominations  he-shall-make-[it]-desolate."

Furthermore, you're not following: Yeshua` SPLIT the 70th Seven! There is no "3.5 years following Yeshua`s death" as the second half of the Seven! That second half has been POSTPONED until AFTER Yeshua` returns in the future!

Things in Hebrew are not always chronologically presented. Quite often, the general statements are made first, and then the details are revisited. In verse 26, Gavri'el said to Dani'el, "And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined." This covers the WHOLE period from the first presentation of the Messiah as Yhudah's King at the beginning of Yeshua`s "ministry" to Diaspora. But, verse 27 revisits the details of Yeshua`s "cutting off":

27 And he (the Messiah) shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: ...

This was done at the beginning of the Seven when Yeshua` first offered Himself as their King, and God, His Father, pronounced Him to be "His beloved Son" at His baptism.

... and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, ...

This happened at His death - His "cutting off" precisely. When He died, the veil in the Temple was ripped in two from the top to the bottom, fulfilling what is written in Hebrews 10 above.

... and for the overspreading of abominations ...

This is found in His condemnation of the scribes and Pharisees in Matthew 23:1-37:

1 Then spake Jesus to the multitude, and to his disciples, 2 Saying,

"The scribes and the Pharisees sit in Moses' seat: 3 All therefore whatsoever they bid you observe, that observe and do; but do not ye after their works: for they say, and do not. 4 For they bind heavy burdens and grievous to be borne, and lay them on men's shoulders; but they themselves will not move them with one of their fingers. 5 But all their works they do for to be seen of men: they make broad their phylacteries, and enlarge the borders of their garments, 6 And love the uppermost rooms at feasts, and the chief seats in the synagogues, 7 And greetings in the markets, and to be called of men, Rabbi, Rabbi. 8 But be not ye called Rabbi: for one is your Master, even Christ; and all ye are brethren. 9 And call no man your father upon the earth: for one is your Father, which is in heaven. 10 Neither be ye called masters: for one is your Master, even Christ. 11 But he that is greatest among you shall be your servant. 12 And whosoever shall exalt himself shall be abased; and he that shall humble himself shall be exalted.

13 But woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye shut up the kingdom of heaven against men: for ye neither go in yourselves, neither suffer ye them that are entering to go in. 14 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye devour widows' houses, and for a pretence make long prayer: therefore ye shall receive the greater damnation.

15 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye compass sea and land to make one proselyte, and when he is made, ye make him twofold more the child of hell than yourselves.

16 Woe unto you, ye blind guides, which say, Whosoever shall swear by the temple, it is nothing; but whosoever shall swear by the gold of the temple, he is a debtor! 17 Ye fools and blind: for whether is greater, the gold, or the temple that sanctifieth the gold? 18 And, Whosoever shall swear by the altar, it is nothing; but whosoever sweareth by the gift that is upon it, he is guilty. 19 Ye fools and blind: for whether is greater, the gift, or the altar that sanctifieth the gift? 20 Whoso therefore shall swear by the altar, sweareth by it, and by all things thereon. 21 And whoso shall swear by the temple, sweareth by it, and by him that dwelleth therein. 22 And he that shall swear by heaven, sweareth by the throne of God, and by him that sitteth thereon.

23 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have omitted the weightier matters of the law, judgment, mercy, and faith: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone. 24 Ye blind guides, which strain at a gnat, and swallow a camel.

25 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye make clean the outside of the cup and of the platter, but within they are full of extortion and excess. 26 Thou blind Pharisee, cleanse first that which is within the cup and platter, that the outside of them may be clean also.

27 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye are like unto whited sepulchres, which indeed appear beautiful outward, but are within full of dead men's bones, and of all uncleanness. 28 Even so ye also outwardly appear righteous unto men, but within ye are full of hypocrisy and iniquity.

29 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! because ye build the tombs of the prophets, and garnish the sepulchres of the righteous, 30 And say, If we had been in the days of our fathers, we would not have been partakers with them in the blood of the prophets. 31 Wherefore ye be witnesses unto yourselves, that ye are the children of them which killed the prophets. 32 Fill ye up then the measure of your fathers. 33 Ye serpents, ye generation of vipers, how can ye escape the damnation of hell?

34 Wherefore, behold, I send unto you prophets, and wise men, and scribes: and some of them ye shall kill and crucify; and some of them shall ye scourge in your synagogues, and persecute them from city to city: 35 That upon you may come all the righteous blood shed upon the earth, from the blood of righteous Abel unto the blood of Zacharias son of Barachias, whom ye slew between the temple and the altar. 36 Verily I say unto you, All these things shall come upon this generation.

37 O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, thou that killest the prophets, and stonest them which are sent unto thee, how often would I have gathered thy children together, even as a hen gathereth her chickens under her wings, and ye would not!"

This indictment against the scribes (the transcribers and students of the Tanakh or OT) and the Pharisees (P'ruwshiym or "Separatists") is a LIST of these abominations they performed against God!

 ... he shall make it desolate, ...

This was performed at the end of His condemnation in Matthew 23:38:

38 "Behold, your house is left unto you desolate." 

... even until the consummation, ...

This is found in His final promise in Matthew 23:39:

39 "For I say unto you, Ye shall not see me henceforth, till ye shall say, Blessed is he that cometh in the name of the Lord."

The leaders of the Jews have not done this, yet!

... and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.

This is found in the Olivet Discourse found in Matthew 24:

Matthew 24:4-31 (KJV)

4 And Jesus answered and said unto them,

"(You) Take heed that no man deceive you.

5 For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ (I'm the Messiah); and shall deceive many. 6 And ye shall hear of wars and rumours of wars: see that ye be not troubled: for all these things must come to pass, but the end is not yet. 7 For nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom: and there shall be famines, and pestilences, and earthquakes, in divers places. 8 All these are the beginning of sorrows.

9 Then shall they deliver you up to be afflicted (Greek: eis thlipsin = "into tribulation"), and shall kill you: and ye shall be hated of all nations for my name's sake. 10 And then shall many be offended, and shall betray one another, and shall hate one another. 11 And many false prophets shall rise, and shall deceive many. 12 And because iniquity shall abound, the love of many shall wax cold. 13 But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved. 14 And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.

15 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand:) 16 Then (you) let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains: 17 (You) Let him which is on the housetop not come down to take any thing out of his house: 18 Neither (you) let him which is in the field return back to take his clothes. 19 And woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck in those days! 20 But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the sabbath day: 21 For then shall be great tribulation (Greek: Estai gar tote thlipsis megalee = "There-shall-be for then tribulation great"), such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be. 22 And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened. 23 Then if any man shall say unto you, 'Lo (Look!), here is Christ (here's the Messiah),' or 'there (He is)'; (you) believe it not. 24 For there shall arise false Christs (Messiahs), and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect. 25 Behold, I have told you before(hand).

26 Wherefore if they shall say unto you, Behold, he is in the desert; (you) go not forth: behold, he is in the secret chambers; (you) believe it not. 27 For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be. 28 For wheresoever the carcase (carrion) is, there will the eagles (vultures) be gathered together.

29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days (Greek: Eutheoos de meta teen thlipsin toon hemeroon ekeinoon = "Immediately but after the tribulation of-the days those-ones") shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken: 30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. 31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other."

Yeshua` starts most of these paragraphs with statements made directly to His disciples - His students - sitting right there in front of Him that day, warning them of their immediate future. At these times, He will use the second-person, plural pronouns, "ye" and "you" and "your."

Then, He frequently peers off into the more distant future, saying things like, "many shall be offended" and "[many] shall betray one another," where the pronouns are more generic. During these far-sighted future events, He is NOT talking directly to His disciples but to future generations about distant prophecies.

However, this "thlipsis" - this "tribulation" - began in the FIRST CENTURY and continues even until today! It won't end until just before the Second Coming of the Messiah Yeshua`.

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17 hours ago, n2thelight said:

Let me try this,what is the tribulation?

Shalom, n2thelight.

The "tribulation" is found in the Greek word "thlipsis," spelled "theta-lambda-iota-psi-iota-stigma." Strong's says this:

2347 thlipsis (thlip'-sis). From thliboo; pressure (literally or figuratively) -- afflicted(-tion), anguish, burdened, persecution, tribulation, trouble.

2346 thliboo (thlee'-bo). Akin to the base of tribos; to crowd (literally or figuratively) -- afflict, narrow, throng, suffer tribulation, trouble.

This is DIRECTLY associated with the pressure put upon the Jews as they've been chased from town to town, from district to district, from country to country throughout Asia and Europe over the past almost 2,000 years. They've had no homeland until recently, and even now they are persecuted by the squatters who call themselves "Palestinians" in the Gaza Strip (where the Philistines used to live) and in the West Bank (what the Scriptures call "the mountains of Israel")! And, this small, young nation of Israel is hated and attacked by every Islamic nation around them, including their terrorist organizations, such as Hezbolah, Alqaeda, Hamas, and Isis.

THAT'S what "tribulation" is.

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1 hour ago, Retrobyter said:

Shalom, n2thelight.

The "tribulation" is found in the Greek word "thlipsis," spelled "theta-lambda-iota-psi-iota-stigma." Strong's says this:

2347 thlipsis (thlip'-sis). From thliboo; pressure (literally or figuratively) -- afflicted(-tion), anguish, burdened, persecution, tribulation, trouble.

2346 thliboo (thlee'-bo). Akin to the base of tribos; to crowd (literally or figuratively) -- afflict, narrow, throng, suffer tribulation, trouble.

This is DIRECTLY associated with the pressure put upon the Jews as they've been chased from town to town, from district to district, from country to country throughout Asia and Europe over the past almost 2,000 years. They've had no homeland until recently, and even now they are persecuted by the squatters who call themselves "Palestinians" in the Gaza Strip (where the Philistines used to live) and in the West Bank (what the Scriptures call "the mountains of Israel")! And, this small, young nation of Israel is hated and attacked by every Islamic nation around them, including their terrorist organizations, such as Hezbolah, Alqaeda, Hamas, and Isis.

THAT'S what "tribulation" is.

Don't think anyone has got what I'm asking

Scripture says it will come upon the whole world,not just the Jew's,so let me put it a different way,what will be so bad that people think they will be raptured to escape it.

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5 hours ago, n2thelight said:

Don't think anyone has got what I'm asking

Scripture says it will come upon the whole world,not just the Jew's,so let me put it a different way,what will be so bad that people think they will be raptured to escape it.

Shalom, n2thelight.

Perhaps that's because you're using a different word in quoting Revelation 3:10:

Revelation 3:7-13 (KJV)

7 And to the angel (messenger) of the church in Philadelphia write; These things saith he that is holy, he that is true, he that hath the key of David, he that openeth, and no man shutteth; and shutteth, and no man openeth;

8 I know thy works: behold, I have set before thee an open door, and no man can shut it: for thou hast a little strength, and hast kept my word, and hast not denied my name. 9 Behold, I will make them of the synagogue of Satan, which say they are Jews, and are not, but do lie; behold, I will make them to come and worship before thy feet, and to know that I have loved thee. 10 Because thou hast kept the word of my patience, I also will keep thee from the hour of temptation (Greek: tees hooras tou peirasmou = "the hour [time] of proving"), which shall come upon all the world, to try (Greek: peirasai = "to prove") them that dwell upon the earth. 11 Behold, I come quickly: hold that fast which thou hast, that no man take thy crown. 12 Him that overcometh will I make a pillar in the temple of my God, and he shall go no more out: and I will write upon him the name of my God, and the name of the city of my God, which is new Jerusalem, which cometh down out of heaven from my God: and I will write upon him my new name. 13 He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches.

3986 peirasmos (pi-ras-mos'). From peirazoo; a putting to proof (by experiment (of good), experience (of evil), solicitation, discipline or provocation); by implication, adversity -- temptation, X try.

3985 peirazoo (pi-rad'-zo). From peira; to test (objectively), i.e. Endeavor, scrutinize, entice, discipline -- assay, examine, go about, prove, tempt(-er), try.

This passage was Yeshua` telling Yochannan (John) to write to the leader, the messenger, of the called-out group in Philadelphia, ASIA MINOR (TURKEY), in the First Century A.D! Furthermore, the word "world" is the Greek word "oikoumenee" meaning the inhabited world civilization at the time! That would have been the Roman Empire and its far reaches.

This passage is NOT about our future! It was about THEIR future in the First Century!

This passage is also NOT about the "tribulation" that Yeshua` talked about in Matthew 24.

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20 hours ago, Retrobyter said:

27 And he (the Messiah) shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: ...

The "he" of V27 refers to the aforementioned person, which is the prince to come that is associated with the people who destroy the city and the sanctuary.  I know it can be tough sometimes, but try as best you can to remember grade school grammar class.

And that fact really bites into your other assumptions.

 

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On 11/1/2018 at 12:18 PM, Montana Marv said:

Roy

Read Dan 9:24 again.  This Prophecy states that Daniel's People, and Daniel's holy city are TO do these 6 tasks by the end of the final or 70th Week.  This all happens on that day.  Zech 7:16 - The Lord their God will save them on that day as the flock of his peopleOn the day of their Salvation, Israel will finish their transgressions, they will make an end to their sins, they will (atone for their wickedness) make reconciliation for their iniquity, they will bring in everlasting righteousness, they will seal up vision and prophecy (Zech 13:5  He will say, I am not a Prophet), to Anoint the Most Holy (the Most Holy Place, or the Most Holy One),  Israel must Anoint Christ as their King. 1 Kings 5:3 - and they anointed David king over Israel.

I rest my case.

In Christ

Montana Marv

Shabbat shalom, Montana Marv.

Sorry, but you "rested your case" prematurely. Let's look at Daniel 9:24 together, shall we?

English:

Daniel 9:24 (KJV)

24 Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city,
to finish the transgression,
and to make an end of sins,
and to make reconciliation for iniquity,
and to bring in everlasting righteousness,
and to seal up the vision and prophecy,
and to anoint the most Holy.

Hebrew:

Dani'el 9:24 (JPS Hebrew-English TANAKH)

24 Shaavu`iym shiv`iym nechtakh `al-`amkhaa v’`al-`iyr qaadshekha
l’kalei’ hapesha`
uwlhaateem chaTaa’owt
uwlkhapeer `aavon
uwlhaaviy’ tsedeq `olaamiym 
v’lachtom chaazown v’naaviy’
v’limshoach qodesh qaadaashiym:

The word "`al" is commonly interpreted into English as "against."

5921 `al (al). Properly, the same as `al used as a preposition (in the singular or plural often with prefix, or as conjunction with a particle following); above, over, upon, or against (yet always in this last relation with a downward aspect) in a great variety of applications (as follow) -- above, according to(-ly), after, (as) against, among, and, X as, at, because of, beside (the rest of), between, beyond the time, X both and, by (reason of), X had the charge of, concerning for, in (that), (forth, out) of, (from) (off), (up-)on, over, than, through(-out), to, touching, X with.

Also, the "l-" prefix, a "lamed," interpreted as "to," is used to make a verb into an infinitive. So, we have six infinitives. When the "vav" prefix is added, whether that sounds like a "v-" or an "uw-," the connective  interpreted as "and," is added.

As six infinitives, who or what is the source of each activity - the subject - is unclear. Thus, one should NOT assume that "Israel will ... " do any of the six! To the contrary, we're told that "Seventy Sevens are determined or divided AGAINST Dani'el's people and AGAINST Dani'el's Holy City, Yerushalayim." This simply means that they will be affected by these Seventy Sevens, but THEY are not necessarily the ones who perform the six infinitives. And, looking at what the Messiah accomplished in His first advent, we see that He DID perform the first three. In fact, they are objectives that Israel couldn't POSSIBLY perform! Simply ask yourself,

Will Isra'el indeed "finish their transgressions," or did Yeshua` "finish those transgressions" for them (and us)? These transgressions are REBELLIONS. The word "transgression" means an "overstepping of a boundary," and "rebellion" means "to revolt against the rules of another." And, to "finish" means to "shut up," "restrain," or "withhold." How can ANYONE restrain themselves against their own rebellion or overstepping God's boundaries? It's morally IMPOSSIBLE! That's why GOD must step in and do for us what we cannot do for ourselves!

Will Isra'el indeed "make an end of sins?" OR, would we more likely expect Yeshua` to "make that end of sins?" How could this be possible without the Messiah's sacrificial death?

Finally, how can Isra'el HOPE to "make reconciliation for iniquity?" In 2 Corinthians 5, Paul makes it clear that GOD through Yeshua` His Messiah must "make reconciliation for iniquity."

The children of Israel cannot do the other three purposes, either:

Only Yeshua` the Messiah can usher in everlasting righteousness/justice/being-just as the KING OF RIGHTEOUSNESS!

Hebrews 7:1-17 (KJV)

1 For this Melchisedec, king of Salem, priest of the most high God, who met Abraham returning from the slaughter of the kings, and blessed him; 2 To whom also Abraham gave a tenth part of all; first being by interpretation King of righteousness, and after that also King of Salem, which is, King of peace; 3 Without father, without mother, without descent, having neither beginning of days, nor end of life; but made like unto the Son of God; abideth a priest continually.

4 Now consider how great this man was, unto whom even the patriarch Abraham gave the tenth of the spoils. 5 And verily they that are of the sons of Levi, who receive the office of the priesthood, have a commandment to take tithes of the people according to the law, that is, of their brethren, though they come out of the loins of Abraham: 6 But he whose descent is not counted from them received tithes of Abraham, and blessed him that had the promises. 7 And without all contradiction the less is blessed of the better. 8 And here men that die receive tithes; but there he receiveth them, of whom it is witnessed that he liveth. 9 And as I may so say, Levi also, who receiveth tithes, payed tithes in Abraham. 10 For he was yet in the loins of his father, when Melchisedec met him.

11 If therefore perfection were by the Levitical priesthood, (for under it the people received the law,) what further need was there that another priest should rise after the order of Melchisedec, and not be called after the order of Aaron? 12 For the priesthood being changed, there is made of necessity a change also of the law. 13 For he of whom these things are spoken pertaineth to another tribe, of which no man gave attendance at the altar. 14 For it is evident that our Lord sprang out of Juda; of which tribe Moses spake nothing concerning priesthood. 15 And it is yet far more evident: for that after the similitude of Melchisedec there ariseth another priest, 16 Who is made, not after the law of a carnal commandment, but after the power of an endless life.

17 For he testifieth, Thou art a priest for ever after the order of Melchisedec.

The name in Hebrew is "Malkhiy-Tsedeq," which means "My-King of-Righteousness/Justice/Being-Just."

Therefore, HE'S the One who "brings in righteousness everlasting!"


"... and to seal up the vision and prophecy, ..."

The Hebrew word for "to seal up" is "lachtom," the infinitive form of "chaatam," written in Strong's as "chatham":

2856 chatham (khaw-tham'). A primitive root; to close up; especially to seal -- make an end, mark, seal (up), stop.

Question: What is the ONLY way to close up a vision and a prophecy?
Answer: The vision and the prophecy must be FULFILLED!

Nothing else will end the vision or the prophecy, which are both given by the omniscient, eternal God, YHWH, who never changes!

Here, they may have a hand in it, but it is GOD'S SON, the MESSIAH, who will fulfill the rest! Yeshua` said that they would not see Him again "till (until) ye shall say, 'Blessed is he that cometh in the name of the Lord.'" (Matthew 23:39.) So, their part is to WELCOME the Messiah in the name (on the authority) of YHWH. Yeshua`s part will be ... EVERYTHING ELSE!
 

"... and to anoint the most Holy."

The phrase "most Holy" in Hebrew is "qodesh qaadaashiym," or the "Holy of-Holies." This is a label and a title for the innermost Sanctum of both the Tabernacle and the Temple. It is the place where God made  shikhnow (His habitation) known! (Deuteronomy 12:5.)

It's the Messiah (David's "seed") who establishes the Temple forever, and Yeshua` is the One who will fulfill that prophecy.

2 Samuel 7:8-16 (KJV)

8 Now therefore so shalt thou say unto my servant David, Thus saith the LORD of hosts, I took thee from the sheepcote, from following the sheep, to be ruler over my people, over Israel: 9 And I was with thee whithersoever thou wentest, and have cut off all thine enemies out of thy sight, and have made thee a great name, like unto the name of the great men that are in the earth. 10 Moreover I will appoint a place for my people Israel, and will plant them, that they may dwell in a place of their own, and move no more; neither shall the children of wickedness afflict them any more, as beforetime, 11 And as since the time that I commanded judges to be over my people Israel, and have caused thee to rest from all thine enemies. Also the LORD telleth thee that he will make thee an house. 12 And when thy days be fulfilled, and thou shalt sleep with thy fathers, I will set up thy seed after thee, which shall proceed out of thy bowels, and I will establish his kingdom. 13 He shall build an house for my name, and I will stablish the throne of his kingdom for ever14 I will be his father, and he shall be my son. If he commit iniquity, I will chasten him with the rod of men, and with the stripes of the children of men: 15 But my mercy shall not depart away from him, as I took it from Saul, whom I put away before thee. 16 And thine house and thy kingdom shall be established for ever before thee: thy throne shall be established for ever.

Yeshua` does this, as Gavri'el predicted to both Dani'el and Miryam ("Mary"):

Luke 1:30-33 (KJV)

30 And the angel said unto her, Fear not, Mary: for thou hast found favour with God. 31 And, behold, thou shalt conceive in thy womb, and bring forth a son, and shalt call his name JESUS. 32 He shall be great, and shall be called the Son of the Highest: and the Lord God shall give unto him the throne of his father David: 33 And he shall reign over the house of Jacob for ever; and of his kingdom there shall be no end.

While it is true that they will anoint Him as their King this time, as the leaders did David, God has already anointed Yeshua` just as He had David far sooner than any men had.

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17 hours ago, OldCoot said:

The "he" of V27 refers to the aforementioned person, which is the prince to come that is associated with the people who destroy the city and the sanctuary.  I know it can be tough sometimes, but try as best you can to remember grade school grammar class.

And that fact really bites into your other assumptions.

Shabbat shalom, OldCoot.

No, that's the problem! Not by the rules of either English or Hebrew can the "prince that shall come" be the subject of the verbs in verse 27! YOU should remember the rules! The "prince that shall come" is the OBJECT OF A PREPOSITION "OF!" In Hebrew, it is the SECOND noun in a NOUN STATE CONSTRUCT! Neither of these can be the subject of the sentence!

The subject must go back farther to the NEXT singular noun, "Mashiyach" ("Messiah") in verse 26!

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1 hour ago, Retrobyter said:

Shabbat shalom, OldCoot.

No, that's the problem! Not by the rules of either English or Hebrew can the "prince that shall come" be the subject of the verbs in verse 27! YOU should remember the rules! The "prince that shall come" is the OBJECT OF A PREPOSITION "OF!" In Hebrew, it is the SECOND noun in a NOUN STATE CONSTRUCT! Neither of these can be the subject of the sentence!

The subject must go back farther to the NEXT singular noun, "Mashiyach" ("Messiah") in verse 26!

We and my English prof in college will just have to disagree.

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57 minutes ago, OldCoot said:

We and my English prof in college will just have to disagree.

Shabbat shalom, OldCoot.

Perhaps, you would do better with a Hebrew professor, since it's not about the English into which the prophecy is translated but the Hebrew in which the prophecy was written.

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