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The Pretrib Rapture: An Entitlement for the Privileged Few?

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7 minutes ago, Last Daze said:

I will take what's plainly stated at the sixth seal over an "in-depth" study.

  • For the great day of their wrath has come, and who is able to stand?”  Revelation 6:17

That's when God's judgment / wrath starts, after the sixth seal is opened.

God says we are to take the entire Scripture to be sure of Scriptures context...

Isa 28:10

10 For precept must be upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little, and there a little:
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disobedience to God's Word can be found when the whole is not examined for this promise to be fulfilled

2 Tim 3:15-17

15 And that from a child thou hast known the holy scriptures, which are able to make thee wise unto salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus.

16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:

17 That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works.
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note the promise hinges on the entirety of Scriptures...

so based on this truth of study to show oneself approved you are ignoring what God teaches about His Wrath in other places in Scripture... and that is error!

 

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2 minutes ago, enoob57 said:

God says we are to take the entire Scripture to be sure of Scriptures context...

Isa 28:10

10 For precept must be upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little, and there a little:
KJV


disobedience to God's Word can be found when the whole is not examined for this promise to be fulfilled

2 Tim 3:15-17

15 And that from a child thou hast known the holy scriptures, which are able to make thee wise unto salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus.

16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:

17 That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works.
KJV


note the promise hinges on the entirety of Scriptures...

I agree.

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Then you realize, according to God that His wrath begins, by separating Himself from that which He has wrath with?

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1 hour ago, Last Daze said:

That wasn't originally my statement.  I was quoting it.

I know

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On 7/2/2018 at 9:15 AM, Last Daze said:

There is no special entitlement or privilege afforded to the last days believers.  We are not greater than our Master.  We should be prepared for persecution.  We've been forewarned.  The sword is coming.

True, they will go into captivity or be killed by the sword.  Today some N.T. Believers go into captivity and others killed.  In the past N.T. Believers went into captivity by Rome, and many were burned on crosses to light up the road to Rome.  So what is new that you are portraying.  We see persecution. 

Now one must differentiate between between the "Bride of Christ" and other Saints.  For this is the point, not all Saints are the Bride of Christ.  The Bride of Christ are those who are indwelt by the H.S. and give Testimony about Jesus Christ.  There are others who give Testimony about Jesus Christ who are not indwelt by the H.S..  Matt 7:21-23 - Not everyone who says to me, Lord, Lord, will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only those who do the will of my Father who is in heaven.  Many will say to me on that day, Lord, Lord, did we not prophecy in your name, and in your name drive out demons and preform many miracles.  Then I will tell them plainly, I never knew you evildoer.

Do Mormons believe in Jesus Christ, Yes.  Are they of the Bride, NO.  The same with J.W.'s.  And many other cults who claim to know Jesus Christ, but are not of the Bride.  Mormons say they are Latter Day Saints.  Maybe they will be, in the Latter Days,  Maybe the J.W.'s will also, and others.  A Second chance to follow Jesus, and proclaim his Name, because they all miss out the first time around.

So yes, the Rapture is for the entitled few.  Broad is the road which leads to destruction, and many take it; but few are those who take the narrow road which leads to eternal life.

Why are you not warning Unbelievers about this upcoming sword.  All true Believers are secure in Christ.

In Christ

Montana Marv

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9 hours ago, enoob57 said:

Then you realize, according to God that His wrath begins, by separating Himself from that which He has wrath with?

When I study scripture, I give the greatest priority to the things that are plainly stated.  When an "in-depth" study arrives at a conclusion that contradicts what has been plainly stated, I will reject it.  Every time. 

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4 hours ago, Montana Marv said:

Now one must differentiate between between the "Bride of Christ" and other Saints.  For this is the point, not all Saints are the Bride of Christ. 

It is impossible to have a meaningful discussion with someone who redefines terms.  Like I stated in the OP, use biblical terms and use them the way the Bible defines them.  The Bride of Christ can not be any more clearly defined than the definition that's given in Revelation 21.

  • Then one of the seven angels who had the seven bowls full of the seven last plagues came and spoke with me, saying, “Come here, I will show you the bride, the wife of the Lamb.” And he carried me away in the Spirit to a great and high mountain, and showed me the holy city, Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God.  Revelation 21:9-10

If you're not going to use biblical terms as the Bible defines them then there's really no sense in continuing in a discussion.   I've pointed this out to you before.  I realize that some people already have their minds made up and that nothing that I or anyone else can say will persuade them.  I'm simply pointing out what the Bible teaches about tribulation, judgment and wrath for those who are willing to hear it.  If you're not willing to hear it, that's up to you.

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52 minutes ago, Last Daze said:

It is impossible to have a meaningful discussion with someone who redefines terms.  Like I stated in the OP, use biblical terms and use them the way the Bible defines them.  The Bride of Christ can not be any more clearly defined than the definition that's given in Revelation 21.

  • Then one of the seven angels who had the seven bowls full of the seven last plagues came and spoke with me, saying, “Come here, I will show you the bride, the wife of the Lamb.” And he carried me away in the Spirit to a great and high mountain, and showed me the holy city, Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God.  Revelation 21:9-10

If you're not going to use biblical terms as the Bible defines them then there's really no sense in continuing in a discussion.   I've pointed this out to you before.  I realize that some people already have their minds made up and that nothing that I or anyone else can say will persuade them.  I'm simply pointing out what the Bible teaches about tribulation, judgment and wrath for those who are willing to hear it.  If you're not willing to hear it, that's up to you.

There is a bride but it is not the gentiles.  Israel is still betrothed to God.  I still submit that the 144,000 remnant of Israel from all the tribes not just Judah are the bride.  God will reunite all of Israel back together and they will once again be his people and his betrothed.  Looks and see who comes back with Christ.  It is not the gentiles.  The 144,000 are with Christ forever after he returns.

Hosea 1:10 Yet the number of the children of Israel shall be as the sand of the sea, which cannot be measured nor numbered; and it shall come to pass, that in the place where it was said unto them, Ye are not my peoplethere it shall be said unto them, Ye are the sons of the living God.  11 Then shall the children of Judah and the children of Israel be gathered together, and appoint themselves one head, and they shall come up out of the land: for great shall be the day of Jezreel.

Hosea 2:14 Therefore, behold, I will allure her, and bring her into the wilderness, and speak comfortably unto her.  19 And I will betroth thee unto me for ever; yea, I will betroth thee unto me in righteousness, and in judgment, and in lovingkindness, and in mercies.

 

Revelation 14:1 And I looked, and, lo, a Lamb stood on the mount Sion, and with him an hundred forty and four thousand, having his Father's name written in their foreheads

Revekation 14:4 These are they which were not defiled with women; for they are virgins. These are they which follow the Lamb whithersoever he goeth. These were redeemed from among men, being the firstfruits unto God and to the Lamb.

 

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5 hours ago, Last Daze said:

It is impossible to have a meaningful discussion with someone who redefines terms.  Like I stated in the OP, use biblical terms and use them the way the Bible defines them.  The Bride of Christ can not be any more clearly defined than the definition that's given in Revelation 21.

Eph 5:25-33 - Husbands, love your wife, just as Christ loved the Church and gave himself up for her..... v. 31,32 - for this reason a man will leave his father and mother, and be united with his wife, and the two shall become one fleshThis is a profound mystery, but I am talking about Christ and the Church.

This Wife is the Bride of Christ, being the Church.  1 Cor 12:14 - Now the body is not made up of one part but many.  If the foot should say, I am not the hand, I do not belong to the body.  And if the ear should say, because I am not the eye, I do not belong to the body,...  So we have hands, feet, ears, eyes, smell, hearing all part of the Body.  Rev 21 states brick and mortar, jewels and gems, pillars, walls, and road mix. 

I see a difference,  You are the one who is defining terms to fit your agenda.  What say you.

In Christ

Montana Marv

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16 hours ago, Last Daze said:

Hi Marilyn,

I agree that the bowls contain the wrath of God, but when does His time of judgment / wrath begin?

  • I looked when He broke the sixth seal, and there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth made of hair, and the whole moon became like blood.  And they said to the mountains and to the rocks, “Fall on us and hide us from the presence of Him who sits on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb; for the great day of their wrath has come, and who is able to stand?”  Revelation 6:12,16

His judgment / wrath begins after the sixth seal is opened.  What comes after the sixth seal?  The seven plagues of the seventh seal.  What comes before the sixth seal?  The time of great tribulation of the fifth seal.

Hi Last Daze,

As we are often in the outback, I can`t always get reception, so my answers may be slow.

Now important question - Lots of scriptures people have written however I`ll give this one for thought -

`When I have brought them (Israel) back from the peoples and gathered them out of their enemies` lands, and I am hallowed in them in the sight of many nations, then they shall know that I am the Lord their God who sent them into captivity among the nations, but brought them back to their own land, and left none of them captive any longer....` (Ez. 39: 27 & 28)

So when is the Lord `hallowed in them in the sight of many nations?` 

`And I will bring him, (nation in the northern quarter of the earth) to judgment with pestilence and bloodshed: I will rain down on him, on his troops, and on the many peoples who are with him, flooding rain, great hailstones, fire and brimstone. Thus I will magnify myself and sanctify myself, and I WILL BE KNOWN IN THE EYES OF MANY NATIONS. Then they shall know that I am the Lord.` (Ez. 38: 32 & 33)

This will mark the beginning of God`s dealings with Israel in the latter times - the last part of their chastisement. This is after the far northern army is dealt with. God`s purpose for Israel, the time clock of the `end of the Gentile`s rule,  will commence and the Body of Christ purpose will be completed.

regard, Marilyn.

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