Dennis1209 Posted July 23, 2018 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 17 Topic Count: 347 Topics Per Day: 0.13 Content Count: 7,436 Content Per Day: 2.70 Reputation: 5,360 Days Won: 1 Joined: 09/27/2016 Status: Offline Share Posted July 23, 2018 5 hours ago, Blue1Sapphire said: So true .. . . And when we read in Matt 24:11-13, "Then many false prophets will rise up and deceive many. And because lawlessness will abound, the love of many will grow cold. But he who endures to the end shall be saved." The challenge we face as Christians is when our freedoms are eroded and lawlessness abounds, we need to be careful not to let our love grow cold. This I have found can easily happen if we let it. We can become jaded and fed up with the ways of this world and can begin to slide backward in our walk with the Lord. It is precisely at these times I have found the Scripture above pulls me back into line. When I feel my love growing cold. . . .I must remind myself, that this too shall pass. Has anyone felt the same thing at times. You bet I do! Unfortunately, the wife has the TV on the Fox News Channel constantly, it drives me nuts. I can't help but to occasionally take in things that are being said. Someone on this thread said it was a battle between nationalism and globalism. I strongly agree but there's a lot more to it and behind the scenes with a planned agenda. When I view government, politics and the judicial system; I can't help but to think of the following verse... Ephesians 6:12 (KJV) For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places. I consider myself an independent voter, but it almost always boils down to one of the two major parties in the general election. The Democrats are taking us down the toilet on a supersonic jet, and the Republicans by freight train, they both have the same agenda, just the Republicans are taking us to the same place slower in my opinion. So, given no other choice and not to waste my vote, I vote the train. With few exceptions, there is no more honor or statesman in Washington D.C. There's only one possible solution for our morality decline to the levels of Sodom and Gomorrah, and that's to repent as a nation and seek the Lord and ask forgiveness and to heal our land. The secular side of me thinks the wrong way... That term limits and bringing back honor duels would go a long way ? Aaron Burr and Alexander Hamilton are a prime example. Hamilton bent G. Washington's ear and was instrumental in developing the dishonest banking system and script we have today, that's a long boring story. Bring back the dueling between politicians. My theory is; there's more NRA members, shooters, gun owners on the Republican side of the house that might actually practice at the range. I know... I'm intolerant, exclusive, ????phobic, and I'm full of 'hate' ideas. I must be neutralized, banned and isolated for the good of society. I know the truth, and my position with the Lord, and that sets me free of all this worry. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest shiloh357 Posted July 23, 2018 Share Posted July 23, 2018 1 hour ago, Badjao33 said: There was clearly more war, violence, and death as a result in the world in past than there is today. Nuclear warheads dropped from around 60,000 in the 1980's to around 10,000 today. The current percentage of people living in extreme poverty is 9.6% with the greatest decline in just the past 3 decades. There has been a sharp decline in Police officers dying from shootings and assaults since the 1970's. Yeah, charts and graphs don't really tell the whole story. Let's just look at few of the markers you have here. As for wars, the bloodiest wars with the most deaths occurred in the 20th century. The Chinese and Russian revolutions, WWI WWII, Korea, and Vietnam.... You're talking 100s of millions of people killed around the world in that century alone. The fact that we have fewer nukes doesn't mean the world is getting better. The fact that we have nukes at all when we didn't used to, is proof the world is getting worse. As for "extreme poverty" that is a subjective measure. They cited people getting out of extreme poverty by earning $1.90 a day. That is not a lessening of extreme poverty by any objective standard. As for the decline of deaths of police officers, that is due to better policing, not because people in the world are getting better. There are all kinds of diseases and crimes and other kinds of violence that were not a concern only 30 years ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blessed457 Posted July 23, 2018 Group: Members Followers: 1 Topic Count: 3 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 52 Content Per Day: 0.02 Reputation: 36 Days Won: 0 Joined: 06/26/2016 Status: Offline Share Posted July 23, 2018 I'm simply just going to pray for him period. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dennis1209 Posted July 23, 2018 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 17 Topic Count: 347 Topics Per Day: 0.13 Content Count: 7,436 Content Per Day: 2.70 Reputation: 5,360 Days Won: 1 Joined: 09/27/2016 Status: Offline Share Posted July 23, 2018 10 minutes ago, Davida said: Yes that's right but the lame left msm keeps cackling that he is so stupid. President Trump has an extremely keen mind & ironically, they themselves must have the minds of gnats to not recognize this fact. You know Davida, the more I watch and listen to many of the politicians in Washington, and a large segment of the American population... I can't help but think the Lord has turned many of them over to a debased mind? The things they are saying and doing are not logical or rational by any standard. It seems they have been abandoned and left to their own devices and corrupt minds. The Lord sets and removes Kings (and naturally presidents, etc.). There's no doubt the Lord has appointed President Trump at this moment in history for a specific purpose, especially after eight years of Obummer. I could make speculations and guesses for the reasons. But it seems very apparent Trump is trying to reverse course of our destruction and bring God back to our government and nation. I don't know Trump's heart or if he is truly saved. But he has surrounded himself with Christians, frequently invokes the name of God, changed the PC happy holidays back to Merry Christmas and is Christian friendly. Could this be a final call and opportunity for America to repent? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest shiloh357 Posted July 23, 2018 Share Posted July 23, 2018 1 hour ago, Badjao33 said: Looking at it from an American point of view that seems like a minuscule amount, but if you were in a developing nation, you would understand why the $1.90 per day figure is used on a global scale. For example, a person in the US earning $12,140 per year or less in the US is considered to be in poverty. That same person living in poverty in the US is considered in the top 15% of income earners when compared to the global population. A person in the US earning $33,000 a year puts them among the richest 1% of income earners in the world. Here is an example of what extreme poverty looks like. The image below is a census form from one of the families we work with here in Mindanao. The monthly income for this family of 5 is just P1,000. At today's exchange rate that is around $19 per month or 63 cents per day. A daily income of $1.90 per individual of working age in this family would improve their lives substantially. They would go from living on 63 cents to $5.70 per day. $5.70 per day would give this family a monthly income of P9,189 per month which would move them from extreme poverty to low income, but not considered poor, here in the Philippines. Of course to the average American, they would still be considered living in poverty based on the American standard of living. That's like saying 10 degrees below 0 Fahrenheit is warmer than 30 below. Quote People have been corrupt since before the days of Noah, that hasn't changed. But the world is getting better regardless of the reasons. Crime across the board has been cut in half in just the past 25 years alone. The world is only getting better if people are getting better, and they ae not getting better. Crime is "down" until people want to crow about gun control. Then they pull out statistics that say that crime is up. And those numbers fluctuate, as well. Quote Hopefully the day will come when they are eliminated completely. At least we are moving in the right direction. If the world were getting better, they would not have been in existence in the first place. And those nukes have been a deterrent to war that conventional weapons are not. Quote The period from 1625, to 1725 was equally as bad. It's the trend that you look at, not individual wars. There is less violence in the world today than in the past. That is indisputable. All the proves is that numbers go up and down, not the world is getting better. If the world were getting better, people would be better, but people are not getting better and they now the technology to act even worse and they do. And way we do war today is far and away worse than at any other time in history. Quote But they are still fewer than in the past and they are able to be dealt with in a more timely manor than in the past. No, they are not fewer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dennis1209 Posted July 23, 2018 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 17 Topic Count: 347 Topics Per Day: 0.13 Content Count: 7,436 Content Per Day: 2.70 Reputation: 5,360 Days Won: 1 Joined: 09/27/2016 Status: Offline Share Posted July 23, 2018 6 hours ago, Badjao33 said: The world is not getting worse and worse, and in the past century their have been vast improvements. This is what happens when you visit websites and watch news sources where the articles are filled with negative tones and negative headlines. We are living in the most peaceful time in world history, there are fewer wars and conflicts worldwide and the number of nuclear weapons in the world has went from around 60,000 to around 10,000, fewer soldiers are dying on the battlefield. In 1820, 94% of the world's population lived in extreme poverty. In 1990, 34.8%, and in 2015, just 9.6%! Today, fewer than 10 percent of people can read and write, today 90 percent of the world’s population under the age of 25 can read and write. Violent crimes such as murder, assault, and rape are at historic lows not only in the US, but around the world. Same with property crimes. Despite the headlines, there are fewer police officers being killed in shootings than the past. In fact, the numbers are dramatically lower than they were just 30 years ago in the US. We also live longer than in the past and fewer and fewer people are being killed in natural disasters, like earthquakes and hurricanes. If someone from 1918 were to visit the world today only knowing the world they came from, they would be amazed at the current state of the world. Those examples I gave are just a few that prove the world is getting better, there are also improvements in healthcare, transportation and technology for example. It's important to get a more balanced view of the world or you will start believing that there is nothing but doom and gloom taking place. Hey Badjao33, I could write a doctorial thesis on the subject undermining your view. But if you consider things are better, and are not getting worse just from my brief observations and study on a simple subject, I don't know what else to say. I'll confine it just to America. Do you consider enslavement, indentured servitude, and the destruction of our nation a good thing? I would suggest a quick read by a distinguished scholar; "The Law" by Frederic Bastiat. Should only take an hour to read. Shall we start off with what percentage of the American population is on the government teat and depending on government for their livelihood and not working. Getting not earned income, food stamps, Section 8, welfare, free cell phones, etc.? Where is America at today in the proven and historic indisputable theme of the world? Like most organisms, nations also have a life cycle. The average age of the worlds greatest civilizations has been about two hundred years. All nations have followed a cycle: (1) The life cycle of nations from bondage to spiritual faith. (2) From spiritual faith to great courage. (3) From courage to liberty. (4) From liberty to abundance. (5) From abundance to complacency. (6) From complacency to apathy. (7) From apathy to dependency. (8) From dependency back again into bondage.1 Where do you suppose the United States of America is today, number eight maybe? 1Alexander Tyler, 1750 The above describes world history and the United States of America to a tee. Or maybe... 1. The undermining of the dignity and sanctity of the home as the basis for human society.1 2. Higher and higher taxes and the spending of public money for free bread and circuses for the populace. 3. The mad craze for pleasure; sports becoming every year more exciting, more brutal, more immoral. 4. The building of great armaments when the real enemy was within: the decay of individual responsibility. 5. The decay of religion; faith fading into mere form, losing touch with life, losing power to guide the people. 1Edward Gibbon, in The Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire, 1788 How are things becoming better when we're becoming enslaved by laws, working for someone else diminishing our ability to provide for ourselves and families, and by force of law, giving your labor away to the politicians choice of beneficiaries, to those whom did not earn it? Enjoy your enslavement and the dissolution of America as we once knew it. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest shiloh357 Posted July 23, 2018 Share Posted July 23, 2018 23 minutes ago, Badjao33 said: You can continue to view the world as you wish and continue to believe the sky is falling, but, I prefer to live in reality where the overall state of the world is improving. I don't think the sky is falling, but the world is not getting better. Yes there are good things in the world, but world is not getting better. Quote I don't need the charts and graphs to prove it, I can see the improvements that have been made since the time I was a child and today. The only reason so many people believe the world is in decline is because of the 24 hour bombardment of negative news and all of the negative propaganda that can be found on the internet these days. No, that is not why. Quote This is one of the main reasons President Trump was elected. Many Americans, especially Evangelicals, were so afraid of how bad things were getting based on a false sense of reality that they felt like they needed a savior. The reason Trump was elected is because we were tired of corruption. We were tired of a Muslim schmoozing foreign born, America-hating, liar in the Oval Office who was more interested in promoting socialism and tearing down America than anything else. Quote They believed all the false claims and statistics that then candidate Trump was spewing out during the primaries and that's how he got the nomination. No, we believed he would keep his promises and he has done exactly that. And we are happy with someone who does that. Your opposition to Trump tells me that we picked the right guy. Quote There were far better Republican candidates than Trump to choose from who supported the same positions on things like abortion, marriage and immigration, but Trump deceived Republicans into choosing him over the better and more qualified candidates. No, that is not really true. The difference between Trump and those guys was that Trump wasn't the status quo. They were used to telling us what they think the American want to hear. They wanted to keep the status quo so that they could continue making promises that they had no intention of keeping. They were not better. They were simply Republicans in name only and not actual conservatives. It really doesn't matter what you claim to support if you keep things the way they are. This time, WE decided, instead of establishment, who the president will be. And WE, not the establishment, will keep picking the presidents. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest shiloh357 Posted July 23, 2018 Share Posted July 23, 2018 17 minutes ago, Davida said: That is just the mistaken view that dismisses 2/3's of the Bible & prophecy and mistakenly insists the world is ENtering into a GOLDEN AGE--It's like a form of heretical Christianity Meets the New Age. That is the lie that permeates much of the church today. Fortunately, faith followers of Jesus don't buy into it. Quote It also explains why the denial of the progressive, globalist agenda, the violent, immoral direction of the world & redefining of the violence & ignoring mbh, threat of Islam . It takes a special kind of blindness to see that, doesn't it? Quote None of that fits for those who believe Jesus is already on His throne governing this world, but that is not what the Bible says as Jesus return is still in the future. Precisely. Jesus is ministering now as our High Priest. He will not reign on His throne until the millennium. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ayin jade Posted July 23, 2018 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 44 Topic Count: 6,178 Topics Per Day: 0.88 Content Count: 43,793 Content Per Day: 6.22 Reputation: 11,241 Days Won: 58 Joined: 01/03/2005 Status: Offline Share Posted July 23, 2018 3 hours ago, Badjao33 said: You can continue to view the world as you wish and continue to believe the sky is falling, but, I prefer to live in reality where the overall state of the world is improving. I don't need the charts and graphs to prove it, I can see the improvements that have been made since the time I was a child and today. The only reason so many people believe the world is in decline is because of the 24 hour bombardment of negative news and all of the negative propaganda that can be found on the internet these days. This is one of the main reasons President Trump was elected. Many Americans, especially Evangelicals, were so afraid of how bad things were getting based on a false sense of reality that they felt like they needed a savior. They believed all the false claims and statistics that then candidate Trump was spewing out during the primaries and that's how he got the nomination. There were far better Republican candidates than Trump to choose from who supported the same positions on things like abortion, marriage and immigration, but Trump deceived Republicans into choosing him over the better and more qualified candidates. Im sure the people of syria and mexico would take an opposite view of what you are saying. Certainly you keep telling us that illegals come to the us searching for a better life, to escape all the crime and poverty in their lands. Why would they do that if the world is getting better? Your charts do not take into account how civility is disappearing from the us, and how many in the newer generations have such coldness in their hearts. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blue1Sapphire Posted July 23, 2018 Group: Members Followers: 1 Topic Count: 3 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 52 Content Per Day: 0.02 Reputation: 32 Days Won: 0 Joined: 07/14/2018 Status: Offline Birthday: 01/01/1957 Author Share Posted July 23, 2018 (edited) 12 hours ago, Badjao33 said: The world is not getting worse and worse, and in the past century their have been vast improvements. This is what happens when you visit websites and watch news sources where the articles are filled with negative tones and negative headlines. We are living in the most peaceful time in world history, there are fewer wars and conflicts worldwide and the number of nuclear weapons in the world has went from around 60,000 to around 10,000, fewer soldiers are dying on the battlefield. In 1820, 94% of the world's population lived in extreme poverty. In 1990, 34.8%, and in 2015, just 9.6%! Today, fewer than 10 percent of people can read and write, today 90 percent of the world’s population under the age of 25 can read and write. Violent crimes such as murder, assault, and rape are at historic lows not only in the US, but around the world. Same with property crimes. Despite the headlines, there are fewer police officers being killed in shootings than the past. In fact, the numbers are dramatically lower than they were just 30 years ago in the US. We also live longer than in the past and fewer and fewer people are being killed in natural disasters, like earthquakes and hurricanes. If someone from 1918 were to visit the world today only knowing the world they came from, they would be amazed at the current state of the world. Those examples I gave are just a few that prove the world is getting better, there are also improvements in healthcare, transportation and technology for example. It's important to get a more balanced view of the world or you will start believing that there is nothing but doom and gloom taking place. Bandjao. . . The defining moment for me was when they redefined marriage. Once that became law the road to ruin was assured in my opinion. You cannot change the way our Maker has designed things and expect there to be no consequences. Marriage is a fundamental institution that any nation and community is built on. As goes the family, so goes the nation. Do you not agree? Edited July 23, 2018 by Blue1Sapphire 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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