September 23, 2017

[Michael37]

There are of course numbers and positions for everything. That's the nature of the space-time-velocity-location matrix inherent in the Universe. Any "hidden" knowledge about numbers and their meaning is occultic.

World English Bible 1Corinthians 4:5-6

Therefore judge nothing before the time, until the Lord comes, who will both bring to light the hidden things of darkness, and reveal the counsels of the hearts. Then each man will get his praise from God.
Now these things, brothers, I have in a figure transferred to myself and Apollos for your sakes, that in us you might learn not to think beyond the things which are written, that none of you be puffed up against one another.

[Heb 13:8]

On 9/4/2018 at 12:31 AM, Da Puppers said:

 so what was it a SIGN of?  The rapture?  So when 5 years goes by and no rapture takes place,  will it still mean the same thing? What is a sign for if you don't know for what it was given? 

The PuP 

Yes, if 5  years go by it is still a sign of the rapture and 70th week. The word "harpazo" in 1 Thess 4:17, Rev 12:5 and the 70th week in Rev 12:6-17 doesn't change, 2 Pet 3:9.

[Heb 13:8]

Luke 21:36 Be always on the watch, and pray that you may be able to escape all that is about to happen, and that you may be able to stand before the Son of Man."

1 Thess 5:3 While people are saying, "Peace and safety," destruction will come on them suddenly, as labor pains on a pregnant woman, and they will not escape.

[Heb 13:8]

1 hour ago, Da Puppers said:

No man will ever be able to stand before Jesus having been found worthy.

Pupp, this is why our eternal security is not based on works, it's based on belief in the finished work of the cross, Jhn 3:3, Jhn 3:16, Rom 10:9. The rapture is the escape.

[Heb 13:8]

1 hour ago, Da Puppers said:

Is the root word used in aphistemi, apostasy.   Meaning to keep on standing where you are at.   It means to endure "all these things".  It is referring to the same things that we will see (if we endure)  that precedes our day of redemption: 

 

It's not a matter of if we endure, it's a matter of when, at least for true born again believers it is. Apostasy occurs because they never had the root of salvation, which is Jesus Christ himself. They never came to a saving faith, they were never born again.

 

Let me know if you see the contradiction (of non-osas) below. God bless.

Matt 13:21 (does not use the word believe) (it uses trouble/persecution) 
Mark 4:17 (does not use the word believe) (it uses trouble/persecution) 
Luke 8:13 (uses the word believe) (aphistémi/depart) 
Rom 8:35, 38-39 (nothing can separate us, even trouble/persecution) 
1 Tim 4:1 ( aphistémi/depart)

Matt 13:21 But since they have no root, they last only a short time. When trouble or persecution comes because of the word, they quickly fall away.

 

Mark 4:17 But since they have no root, they last only a short time. When trouble or persecution comes because of the word, they quickly fall away.

 

Luke 8:13 Those on the rocky ground are the ones who receive the word with joy when they hear it, but they have no root. They believe for a while, but in the time of testing they fall away.

 

Rom 8:35, 38-39 Who shall separate us from the love of Christ? Shall trouble or hardship or persecution or famine or nakedness or danger or sword? 38For I am convinced that neither death nor life, neither angels nor demons, neither the present nor the future, nor any powers, 39neither height nor depth, nor anything else in all creation, will be able to separate us from the love of God that is in Christ Jesus our Lord.

 

1 Tim 4:1 The Spirit clearly says that in later times some will abandon the faith and follow deceiving spirits and things taught by demons.

 

Luke 8:13 / Gill's Exposition of the Entire Bible - which for a while believe: their faith is a temporary one, like that of Simon Magus; which shows it is not true faith; for that is an abiding grace, Christ, who is the author, is the finisher of it, and prays for it, that it fail not. The Persic version renders it, "in the time of hearing they have faith"; and such sort of hearers there are, who, whilst they are hearing, assent to what they hear, but when they are gone, either forget it, or, falling into bad company, are prevailed upon to doubt of it, and disbelieve it. The Arabic version renders it, "they believe for a small time"; their faith do not continue long, nor their profession of it, both are soon dropped:
 

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Do you see that when Jesus told of this "snare" that he is talking about those times,  that day,  THE DAY OF THE LORD,  coming unawares upon the people?  Which is to say that it will come like a thief in the night to all those who are not expecting it.   This will include all of those who are expecting to miss these things.   Many,  who are expecting to be removed via a pretrib rapture,  will be among those not expecting to be here when it comes.   That is why you need to be praying to be accounted worthy to keep standing in his presence when "all these things"takes place,  when the fiery trials shall try every man's work,  whether it be of God. 

Pupp, Jesus comes like a thief to the world, to those who do not have the indwelling Holy Spirit, via the oil in Matt 25. 

[Heb 13:8]

Just now, Da Puppers said:

 The proof of the holy spirits presence in our lives is in the "patient continuance in well doing" [Rom 2:7]  in obedience to his laws that are  written on our hearts.   Not just hearing his commands,  but doing them, even when the wrath of God,  being poured out on the Jews, brings great tribulation into our lives.   The day of wrath is also the day of righteous judgment of God upon those who seek for the glory and honor of God,  by patient continuance in obedience. 

And that's what believers do, they continue in well doing, lest you be the accuser of the brethren.

[Heb 13:8]

Just now, Da Puppers said:

I just hope you are getting my point that the great tribulation is God's wrath on the Jews, and not on the church. 

A better way to say it is, the entire 70th week is for the Jews and not the church. The Great Trib begins at the middle of the 70th week.

[Heb 13:8]

Just now, Da Puppers said:

I guess you don't get my point.   The opening of the seals is the day of the Lord,  which is the great tribulation on the Jews, Which is the day of the righteous revelation of God. 

No, your timing is off. The opening of the seals begins the 70th week. The great trib doesn't begin until the middle of the 70th week. Also, the day of the Lord spans from the first seal all the way to the end of the 1000 yr reign. God bless.

[Heb 13:8]

1 minute ago, Da Puppers said:

 My discussion has nothing to do with the timing.   I don't think that i even mentioned the 70th week.  It is about the concurrency of the events. 

Timing is everything, if your timing is off then so is your wording.

[Gibbus]

I'm converted to 9/23/2017, I believe now

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The Precession Image, shows us 9/23 ... ... ... ...

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Again we see 9/23 ... ... ... ... this is the conclusion

(Creation Time Origin Date nemesis8.com/polestars.html)

(Pole Star = Star Wormwood,  flatearth.ws/pole-star ... not 1335 but 3000 in relative terms/Cosmic Shifting)

 12900 B.C. Creation *** 70 Weeks Daniel = 1 Precession Degree in 70/72 yrs (1335) *** 1335/153 New Pole Star

Translated

Flight 370 and 1290 Days *TO* 9/23/2017 and 1335 Days *TO* May 21, 2021 and 153 Days

 

God's Measurement can Read Like This

There will be 1290 Days to Mark the End of, 70th Year

There will be 1335 Days to Mark the End of, 77th Year

9/23/2017 is the 70th Year ... ... ... ... remember the 70th Year is very important, point of discernment.

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God also said 2300 Days, and that was a Different Measurement against the 70th Week

Flight 370 + 2300 Days to 6/24/2020 or, Roswell UFO Anniversary (59th quadrennial U.S. presidential election/ 509th Operations Group)

One fact is sure and true.  1290 and 1335 ... are not the same measurements, but they can have the same reference location, "Flight 370 for 73 years later = Roswell Anniversary".

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9/23 = 9th Planet = 2300 of Daniel in Days from Flight 370

 

(9th Planet = War in Jerusalem, dedicated Holocaust Attempt)

the jewish people had political authority in europe, history underplays that fact, but it was more  than average ... ... ... ... that was that generation ... ... ... ... today the issue before god is "dead work dead flesh", those genetic lines of dan specifically and a great multitude of people ... ... ... ... the War on Terrorism's Achievement is Nothing, and unfortunately if you believe those people were worth saving with your lives and money, then, you have a damnable heresy you need to atone for in jerusalem, by getting into this slaughter ... ... ... ... can be construed that jeruslaem predicted its suicide by golden gates destruction, but, if that isn't the case we'll have to see, about this North Korean War, and this, Complete War and Collapse of Isreal ... ... ... ... at the anniversary of its independence.  So this is very soon.

Edited September 7, 2018 by Gibbus