seeking the lost Posted August 25, 2018 Group: Advanced Member Followers: 4 Topic Count: 3 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 494 Content Per Day: 0.17 Reputation: 208 Days Won: 0 Joined: 05/15/2016 Status: Offline Share Posted August 25, 2018 On 8/4/2018 at 10:36 AM, enoob57 said: This group cannot be of the regeneration for this simple reason that there exist an impossible for them and that would directly conflict with the descriptive of the regenerated. For that which is born of God carries with The Essence and Person of s/Spirit and nothing is impossible unto them according to Scripture. The group that is addressed is identified in chapter 5 of Hebrews. 10 Called of God an high priest after the order of Melchisedec. 11 Of whom we have many things to say, and hard to be uttered, seeing ye are dull of hearing. 12 For when for the time ye ought to be teachers, ye have need that one teach you again which be the first principles of the oracles of God; and are become such as have need of milk, and not of strong meat. 13 For every one that useth milk is unskilful in the word of righteousness: for he is a babe. 14 But strong meat belongeth to them that are of full age, even those who by reason of use have their senses exercised to discern both good and evil. The problem seems to be lethargy. Always hanging around but never engaged or growing. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
enoob57 Posted August 25, 2018 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 35 Topic Count: 100 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 41,157 Content Per Day: 7.98 Reputation: 21,444 Days Won: 76 Joined: 03/13/2010 Status: Offline Birthday: 07/27/1957 Author Share Posted August 25, 2018 1 hour ago, seeking the lost said: The group that is addressed is identified in chapter 5 of Hebrews. 10 Called of God an high priest after the order of Melchisedec. 11 Of whom we have many things to say, and hard to be uttered, seeing ye are dull of hearing. 12 For when for the time ye ought to be teachers, ye have need that one teach you again which be the first principles of the oracles of God; and are become such as have need of milk, and not of strong meat. 13 For every one that useth milk is unskilful in the word of righteousness: for he is a babe. 14 But strong meat belongeth to them that are of full age, even those who by reason of use have their senses exercised to discern both good and evil. The problem seems to be lethargy. Always hanging around but never engaged or growing. This does not address the point that this particular group has an impossible with it and God says His children all things are possible.... this at the basis of grammar before all else can be argued... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Your closest friendnt Posted August 26, 2018 Group: Royal Member Followers: 18 Topic Count: 8 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 7,851 Content Per Day: 2.42 Reputation: 2,760 Days Won: 3 Joined: 06/05/2015 Status: Offline Share Posted August 26, 2018 5 hours ago, enoob57 said: This does not address the point that this particular group has an impossible with it and God says His children all things are possible.... this at the basis of grammar before all else can be argued... These people at a time were active and contributed to the faith. What could have happened tjat they got angree and bitter at God, and it is not for the same reasons for everyone and it still happens today and it will continiun to happen. What tragic things could happen to people who love Jesus and they are happy with him and everything goes well, and they believe that they are protected and loved by God, and nothing tragic can happen to them and their family. That they feel betrayed and let down by Jesus Christ and they withdraw and distance themselfs and are with a disappointing spirit. And like Saul who turned for consolation and comfort to strange guidance , they perhaps may not all turned to alcohol or..... And the pleasures of life to forget their deep pain. Could be that some who were in the situation of Job they perhaps stoped believing and became atheist or something else, but not all, some just turned indifferent, can you blame them. Job got things back, and he said praise the Lord. We are not in their situation and how do you know how we may have reacted in their situation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seeking the lost Posted August 26, 2018 Group: Advanced Member Followers: 4 Topic Count: 3 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 494 Content Per Day: 0.17 Reputation: 208 Days Won: 0 Joined: 05/15/2016 Status: Offline Share Posted August 26, 2018 7 hours ago, enoob57 said: This does not address the point that this particular group has an impossible with it and God says His children all things are possible.... this at the basis of grammar before all else can be argued... Hosea 4:6 My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge: because thou hast rejected knowledge, I will also reject thee, that thou shalt be no priest to me: seeing thou hast forgotten the law of thy God, I will also forget thy children. They reject the possibility of going on to maturity when they reject knowledge. The rejection is in the form of laying again the foundations again and again. It is only possible for them to go on if God permits. In the condition of lethargy He will not permit. Heb. 6:3 3 And this will we do, if God permit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fidei Defensor Posted August 26, 2018 Group: Royal Member Followers: 18 Topic Count: 165 Topics Per Day: 0.06 Content Count: 3,997 Content Per Day: 1.57 Reputation: 2,607 Days Won: 15 Joined: 04/29/2017 Status: Offline Share Posted August 26, 2018 10 hours ago, seeking the lost said: The group that is addressed is identified in chapter 5 of Hebrews. 10 Called of God an high priest after the order of Melchisedec. 11 Of whom we have many things to say, and hard to be uttered, seeing ye are dull of hearing. 12 For when for the time ye ought to be teachers, ye have need that one teach you again which be the first principles of the oracles of God; and are become such as have need of milk, and not of strong meat. 13 For every one that useth milk is unskilful in the word of righteousness: for he is a babe. 14 But strong meat belongeth to them that are of full age, even those who by reason of use have their senses exercised to discern both good and evil. The problem seems to be lethargy. Always hanging around but never engaged or growing. Thank you for compiling the scriptural evidence of the context of Hebrews 6,; I.e. who it is addressed to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
enoob57 Posted November 23, 2018 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 35 Topic Count: 100 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 41,157 Content Per Day: 7.98 Reputation: 21,444 Days Won: 76 Joined: 03/13/2010 Status: Offline Birthday: 07/27/1957 Author Share Posted November 23, 2018 (edited) On 8/25/2018 at 7:15 PM, Your closest friendnt said: These people at a time were active and contributed to the faith. What could have happened tjat they got angree and bitter at God, and it is not for the same reasons for everyone and it still happens today and it will continiun to happen. What tragic things could happen to people who love Jesus and they are happy with him and everything goes well, and they believe that they are protected and loved by God, and nothing tragic can happen to them and their family. That they feel betrayed and let down by Jesus Christ and they withdraw and distance themselfs and are with a disappointing spirit. And like Saul who turned for consolation and comfort to strange guidance , they perhaps may not all turned to alcohol or..... And the pleasures of life to forget their deep pain. Could be that some who were in the situation of Job they perhaps stoped believing and became atheist or something else, but not all, some just turned indifferent, can you blame them. Job got things back, and he said praise the Lord. We are not in their situation and how do you know how we may have reacted in their situation. On 8/25/2018 at 9:44 PM, seeking the lost said: Hosea 4:6 My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge: because thou hast rejected knowledge, I will also reject thee, that thou shalt be no priest to me: seeing thou hast forgotten the law of thy God, I will also forget thy children. They reject the possibility of going on to maturity when they reject knowledge. The rejection is in the form of laying again the foundations again and again. It is only possible for them to go on if God permits. In the condition of lethargy He will not permit. Heb. 6:3 3 And this will we do, if God permit. On 8/25/2018 at 10:26 PM, Fidei Defensor said: Thank you for compiling the scriptural evidence of the context of Hebrews 6,; I.e. who it is addressed to. None of you have addressed the grammar in this... but go on by the willfulness of your own thoughts... Until you have arrived at thus saith The Lord (grammatical foundation of Thus Saith The Lord) you cannot go on for precept must be built upon precept line upon line... Basic first step in written communication is the grammatical laws applied and none of you have done this. Either you are unable or unwilling? Perhaps just observe these passages: Matt 17:20 Matt 19:26 Mark 10:27 Luke 1:37 Luke 17:1 Luke 18:27 Heb 6:4 Heb 6:18 Heb 11:6 Can impossible be placed with the children of the regeneration? Edited November 23, 2018 by enoob57 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faithbuilders Posted November 23, 2018 Group: Advanced Member Followers: 3 Topic Count: 23 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 235 Content Per Day: 0.04 Reputation: 166 Days Won: 0 Joined: 01/29/2008 Status: Offline Birthday: 09/20/1972 Share Posted November 23, 2018 Heb 6:4 For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost, Heb 6:5 And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come, Heb 6:6 If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame. Here it is talking about a persons will; Once they have moved in the power of the Holy Spirit then to turn away (not just sin, but an act of the will, to purposefully turn away from the Holy Spirit) They can not be brought to repentance because the Holy Spirit has been grieved to the point that He left. You NEED the Holy Spirit in order to even have the desire to repent. It falls under the same category as when Jesus said, "if you speak againsed the Holy Spirit, it will not be forgiven, in this life...or the life to come" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
enoob57 Posted November 23, 2018 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 35 Topic Count: 100 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 41,157 Content Per Day: 7.98 Reputation: 21,444 Days Won: 76 Joined: 03/13/2010 Status: Offline Birthday: 07/27/1957 Author Share Posted November 23, 2018 1 hour ago, Faithbuilders said: Heb 6:4 For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost, Heb 6:5 And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come, Heb 6:6 If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame. Here it is talking about a persons will; Once they have moved in the power of the Holy Spirit then to turn away (not just sin, but an act of the will, to purposefully turn away from the Holy Spirit) They can not be brought to repentance because the Holy Spirit has been grieved to the point that He left. You NEED the Holy Spirit in order to even have the desire to repent. It falls under the same category as when Jesus said, "if you speak againsed the Holy Spirit, it will not be forgiven, in this life...or the life to come" you do know that it doesn't make something true just because you will it to be or keep repeating it.... until you understand every Word that forms The Word of God is explicit truth and will be fulfilled as written. Like I have said because God has grouped 'impossible' to the 'those' He is speaking about means they cannot be of God - this is the issue you need to address because you are claiming these with the impossible are of God. I can understand why your not dealing with it cause it would force you to reconsider the error of what you claim. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
enoob57 Posted November 23, 2018 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 35 Topic Count: 100 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 41,157 Content Per Day: 7.98 Reputation: 21,444 Days Won: 76 Joined: 03/13/2010 Status: Offline Birthday: 07/27/1957 Author Share Posted November 23, 2018 (edited) On 8/25/2018 at 11:47 AM, seeking the lost said: The group that is addressed is identified in chapter 5 of Hebrews. 10 Called of God an high priest after the order of Melchisedec. 11 Of whom we have many things to say, and hard to be uttered, seeing ye are dull of hearing. 12 For when for the time ye ought to be teachers, ye have need that one teach you again which be the first principles of the oracles of God; and are become such as have need of milk, and not of strong meat. 13 For every one that useth milk is unskilful in the word of righteousness: for he is a babe. 14 But strong meat belongeth to them that are of full age, even those who by reason of use have their senses exercised to discern both good and evil. The problem seems to be lethargy. Always hanging around but never engaged or growing. Actually there are two groups being spoken to, as the OP indicates, by the those who are grouped with impossible.... they are the ones who through heritage and habit are considering returning to the law and no regenerated person would do such! according to John 1 John 2:19 19 They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would no doubt have continued with us: but they went out, that they might be made manifest that they were not all of us. KJV Edited November 24, 2018 by enoob57 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faithbuilders Posted November 24, 2018 Group: Advanced Member Followers: 3 Topic Count: 23 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 235 Content Per Day: 0.04 Reputation: 166 Days Won: 0 Joined: 01/29/2008 Status: Offline Birthday: 09/20/1972 Share Posted November 24, 2018 21 hours ago, enoob57 said: you do know that it doesn't make something true just because you will it to be or keep repeating it.... until you understand every Word that forms The Word of God is explicit truth and will be fulfilled as written. Like I have said because God has grouped 'impossible' to the 'those' He is speaking about means they cannot be of God - this is the issue you need to address because you are claiming these with the impossible are of God. I can understand why your not dealing with it cause it would force you to reconsider the error of what you claim. Not sure what you are trying to say here, but you are right, repeating something does not make it true, the Word of God makes it true. And the scriptures is clear; those that have had the Holy Spirit, and tasted of His power through them; to then turn on the Holy Spirit, in essence grieving Him... it is truly impossible for those to repent. Put that together with the scripture that says "if you confess your sins to God...He will forgive you..." That tells me the truth clear, Once they have grieved the Holy Spirit to that point, one would have no desire to repent, therefor there would be no forgiveness! I have no issues reconsidering what I believe, (I've done it before) when its proven scripturally. That I don't see in whatever it is you are trying to say. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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