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18 hours ago, frienduff thaylorde said:

commonly called the victim card .    Look fidei , when folks hammer at me ,   the only emotions I get are often two .   First I feel sad for them and worry for them .

But also I do rejoice in the Lord if I am persecuted , even if for now its only lil o words .  

Its why I want you to look at every post I ever wrote here  ,  and you wont see me pulling the victim card a bit .   Ps,   just one of the so many wonderful things THE LORD

did for me  . was burn that wicked physcology of men , which has no part in the church , right out of my mind .  OH YES fidie ,  I used to have  a mind for physcology .

OH , but praise the LORD for burning carnal wisdom right out with the pureness of His words and BY His Spirit .

I might add , I have never reported a single post , not even when I was called anti Christ , son of perdition .    Just rejoice in the LORD .  although YES I am sad for them too .

Counseling isn’t the same as psychology or psychiatry. Christian Counselors use the Holy Bible as their text for how to counsel people. It’s not the “victim card,” the fact you would use such language confirms my concerns for you.  

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2 hours ago, Fidei Defensor said:

Counseling isn’t the same as psychology or psychiatry. Christian Counselors use the Holy Bible as their text for how to counsel people. It’s not the “victim card,” the fact you would use such language confirms my concerns for you.  

Well, you aint seeing what is going on in our churches down here .    My aunt who does christain counseling in churches .     Yeah,  they have degrees in physcology.

BUT even her words oughta shock some .  WE are not allowed even as Christian counslers ,  to counsel against in any way ,  being gay .  

WHAT kind of christain counsel IS THAT .   EVEN if said patient is struggling with being gay , THEY NOT ALLOWED nor is it even TOLERATED to speak against it as sin .

UH YEAH .   Fidei,   THE SPIRIT Don't let a lamb get fooled .    And all the words no matter how craftily put ,  now matter how well spun ,  ACTIONS will always show forth

what is truly in a persons heart .   FOR instance , DID you KNOW their is a big move to reach out to all groups in their own way .  but this is easy to spot

IF one truly follows Christ .    Watch for it .    IF one has an agenda , they will present that agenda differently to whatever group they trying to get to accept said mindset.

NOW we know the agenda as a whole is what ,   UNITY , FALSE LOVE ,  etc ,   but do you really think they spin it to a liberal the same way they would to a conservative .

NOPE .      IF I am trying to win the secular to an agenda ,  am I going to focus on RELIGOIN ,    OR a PC all inclusive way .

PC of course .   now to churches they present it different .  They don't try and attack GOD , they alter his image , making an all inclusive accepting type GOD .

Now we all know the last folks standing IS the evangelical side .    BUT oh they in it too .    So they come along and present it with more conservative values

BUT still its the same card,    UNITY , more inclusive ,    SEE ECUMENCALISM .  ROMES BABY she is all over secular through PC

she is all over liberal , has been.  NOW she knows to get the last man standing ,  YA GOTTA pretend to cater to THEIR values a bit more , ALL the while

You focus on unity and meditation , things that tap into emotions ,   and soon enough ,  You got them .  YOU DO .

And here I am just a lil simpleton ,  dumby ,   YET BY grace I whiff it out .     Ever wonder why this unity move seems to be the focus in churches

DO you think they really going to just say , HEY unite UNDER MOTHER ROME .   oh no ,     they pander to emotions and break down the fundmentals ever so slowly.

Like some protestants I know .    YES , their are actual ones in the protestant church ,  WHO already KNOW the plan and are deceiving the flocks

THEN their are many who just see this as good , have no idea its an agenda ,  BUT they too go to work focusing on ,   YOU GOT it the dire need for ecumunicalsim.

THEY already been in , BEEN in churches .  And for the most part, THEY Already GOT the top most well known leaders IN ON IT .   oh ,  this has been the case

FOR ,   some time now .     WE BETTER BE ON GAURD .     is all I am saying .  Now how about we focus ON JESUS and not on making idols seem harmless.

 

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See , their is something all need to be alerted too.     Since MOTHER ROME and her many daughters DO have an agenda .

WHAT is one way to make unity a lil easier .    Well,   since we know ROME is infected in idols and images .

IF I were under her sway and TRYING to win the last group standing .   I would act as though I were against ROME ,

YET keep pedaling ideals as though they good .     Example .  as I said ROME is HUGE baby HUGE on idols and images , SO while pretending I was against her

I WOULD start planting ideas that make IDOLS and images seem like no big  deal .  Then pedal other things from time to time .

I don't know , like say the need for unity , or ecumuncalism , make that seem good too .     Just things like that .  

 

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And the thing is some unknowing do her work .  They don't even realize they do ,    because leaders in high places snuck in concepts who did have an agenda

but brought it in as ,   How was it I put it earlier ,  OH YEAH however it sounds good to whatever group you talking too .

ROME aint fooling anyone who follows the lamb .     And these spirits are all over not only churches , but just common folks too .  They got no idea what is going on ,

they just feel like THE SPIRIT is leading them to Focus on unity and peace ,   YET its not THE SPIRIT ,  ITS a spirit .     And we better not be deceived .

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16 hours ago, frienduff thaylorde said:

See , their is something all need to be alerted too.     Since MOTHER ROME and her many daughters DO have an agenda .

WHAT is one way to make unity a lil easier .    Well,   since we know ROME is infected in idols and images .

IF I were under her sway and TRYING to win the last group standing .   I would act as though I were against ROME ,

YET keep pedaling ideals as though they good .     Example .  as I said ROME is HUGE baby HUGE on idols and images , SO while pretending I was against her

I WOULD start planting ideas that make IDOLS and images seem like no big  deal .  Then pedal other things from time to time .

I don't know , like say the need for unity , or ecumuncalism , make that seem good too .     Just things like that .  

 

Indeed. Rome is not the tome we want to protect. 

However, images are common to Lutherans, Evangelicals, Charismatics, and beyond; Protestant. 

My concern is that the Puritans forbade images and were so strict that their children abandoned the faith and their miserable legalism perished. 

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15 minutes ago, Cobalt1959 said:

It does not matter that images are "common" to some denominations.  Exodus 20 clearly states that we are not to make images of any kind of God, and by extension, Jesus, at all.

Exodus 20:1 And God spoke all these words, saying,  2 "I am the LORD your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of slavery.  3 "You shall have no other gods before me.  4 "You shall not make for yourself a carved image, or any likeness of anything that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth.  5 You shall not bow down to them or serve them, for I the LORD your God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers on the children to the third and the fourth generation of those who hate me,  6 but showing steadfast love to thousands of those who love me and keep my commandments.  (ESV)

One of Israel's biggest violation of the commandments was idol worship.  They were always falling off the rails when it comes to worshiping idols.  That is why the prohibition of idols and images was put in place, because God realizes how easy it is for something to become a point of worship.  The Puritan's theology failed mostly because people don't really want to be part of a denomination in which you might be set on fire if the majority of the people inside the denom think you need to be set on fire.  Not a big selling point.  Pictures of God and Christ are always forbidden, no matter what the denomination thinks.  Just because some denominations think it's OK does not validate the practice.

Are we under the law or Grace? “For the law was given through Moses, but grace and truth came through Jesus Christ.” (John 1:17). As for me I won’t nullify Grace, “I do not nullify the grace of God, for if righteousness were through the law, then Christ died for no purpose,” (Galatians 2:21) and, “Mark my words! I, Paul, tell you that if you let yourselves be circumcised, Christ will be of no value to you at all. Again I declare to every man who lets himself be circumcised that he is obligated to obey the whole law. For if you are trying to make yourselves right with God by keeping the law, you have been cut off from Christ! You have fallen away from God's grace.” (Galatians 5:2-4). 

The law puts people under s curse and is the power of sin, “For all who rely on works of the law are under a curse; for it is written, “Cursed be everyone who does not abide by all things written in the Book of the Law, and do them,” (Galatians 3:10), and, “The sting of death is sin, and the power of sin is the law.” (1 Corinthians 15:56). We are no longer under the law, “For what the law was powerless to do because it was weakened by the flesh,God did by sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh to be a sin offering.And so he condemned sin in the flesh, in order that the righteous requirement of the law might be fully met in us, who do not live according to the flesh but according to the Spirit,” (Romans 8:3-4). Jesus Christ has fulfilled and ended the law, “When God speaks of a "new" covenant, it means he has made the first one obsolete. It is now out of date and will soon disappear,” (Hebrews 8:13), and, “But in fact the ministry Jesus has received is as superior to theirs as the covenant of which he is mediator is superior to the old one, since the new covenant is established on better promises.” (Hebrews 8:6). 

The law blinds people to Christ, “But the people's minds were hardened, and to this day whenever the old covenant is being read, the same veil covers their minds so they cannot understand the truth. And this veil can be removed only by believing in Christ. Yes, even today when they read Moses' writings, their hearts are covered with that veil, and they do not understand.” (2 Corinthians 3:14-15). 

As for images, how can they be harmful if they are images depicting and honoring Jesus the Great I AM? 

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5 hours ago, Fidei Defensor said:

Indeed. Rome is not the tome we want to protect. 

However, images are common to Lutherans, Evangelicals, Charismatics, and beyond; Protestant. 

My concern is that the Puritans forbade images and were so strict that their children abandoned the faith and their miserable legalism perished. 

As I saw the overall of your post ,  THE LORD brought a wonderful sound reminder .

Idols are not a visual aide,   THEY IDOLS .    I mean we don't bring idols into prayer , we don't bow to them , what a mock to GOD.

Besides all that ,    I already GOT MY AIDE , I ALREADY GOT all I NEED to worship GOD .    ITS CALLED THE HOLY SPIRIT ,   in fact ITS HOW we worship GOD and the only way

we can IN SPIRIT and TRUTH .    bowing to idols is a lie  , and forbidden .   And that same helper , YOU KNOW , the HOLYGHOST , reminds me of that very thing .

WE don't need the creation of mens hands to worship GOD , they don't help or aide in anyway to our worship OF GOD .   they take away ,  ,

WE GOT all we need .   THE HELPER IS THE HOLY GHOST and it is as invisible as GOD is to our physical eye .    OH but HIS SPIRIT opens our eyes to the spiritiual

where we need no inventions of men to worship GOD , they all a waste and he who trusts in them , is as dead as they are .   I GOT MY VISUAL AIDE ,  CALLED THE HOLY GHOST .

AND JESUS is whom I will point too and say ever louder , BOW DOWN before no images that the hand of man has made .   use them NOT for worship

WORSHIP IN SPIRIT and IN TRUTH .      SEEING a bit clearer now fidei .   NOW FLEE any defense of idols .

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2 hours ago, Fidei Defensor said:

Are we under the law or Grace? “For the law was given through Moses, but grace and truth came through Jesus Christ.” (John 1:17). As for me I won’t nullify Grace, “I do not nullify the grace of God, for if righteousness were through the law, then Christ died for no purpose,” (Galatians 2:21) and, “Mark my words! I, Paul, tell you that if you let yourselves be circumcised, Christ will be of no value to you at all. Again I declare to every man who lets himself be circumcised that he is obligated to obey the whole law. For if you are trying to make yourselves right with God by keeping the law, you have been cut off from Christ! You have fallen away from God's grace.” (Galatians 5:2-4). 

The law puts people under s curse and is the power of sin, “For all who rely on works of the law are under a curse; for it is written, “Cursed be everyone who does not abide by all things written in the Book of the Law, and do them,” (Galatians 3:10), and, “The sting of death is sin, and the power of sin is the law.” (1 Corinthians 15:56). We are no longer under the law, “For what the law was powerless to do because it was weakened by the flesh,God did by sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh to be a sin offering.And so he condemned sin in the flesh, in order that the righteous requirement of the law might be fully met in us, who do not live according to the flesh but according to the Spirit,” (Romans 8:3-4). Jesus Christ has fulfilled and ended the law, “When God speaks of a "new" covenant, it means he has made the first one obsolete. It is now out of date and will soon disappear,” (Hebrews 8:13), and, “But in fact the ministry Jesus has received is as superior to theirs as the covenant of which he is mediator is superior to the old one, since the new covenant is established on better promises.” (Hebrews 8:6). 

The law blinds people to Christ, “But the people's minds were hardened, and to this day whenever the old covenant is being read, the same veil covers their minds so they cannot understand the truth. And this veil can be removed only by believing in Christ. Yes, even today when they read Moses' writings, their hearts are covered with that veil, and they do not understand.” (2 Corinthians 3:14-15). 

As for images, how can they be harmful if they are images depicting and honoring Jesus the Great I AM? 

I think you left out a key thing .  DO we then MAKE VOID the law through grace .  GOD FORBID .   The grace of CHRIST does not teach us TO make void GODS LAW.

IT puts it on our heart .  and JESUS made clear ,  its not what goes in a man that defiles him .  thus all things to eat are clean ,  SO LONG as its in that mans conscious .

BUT BOWING to IDOLS aint meats and drinks ,   ITS BOWING TO IDOLS . 

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Idol and image (ikon) are not the same thing. An idol is something you worship and pray to as a god. An image in contrast is:

  1. physical likeness or representation of a person, animal, or thing,photographed, painted, sculptured, or otherwise made visible.(Dictionary.com)

By this definition the Cherubim angels on the Ark of the Covenant are an image. An image is representation, just as images of our Lord and God Jesus only are representations but not Him; pictures of His likeness. 

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8 minutes ago, Fidei Defensor said:

Idol and image (ikon) are not the same thing. An idol is something you worship and pray to as a god. An image in contrast is:

  1. physical likeness or representation of a person, animal, or thing,photographed, painted, sculptured, or otherwise made visible.(Dictionary.com)

By this definition the Cherubim angels on the Ark of the Covenant are an image. An image is representation, just as images of our Lord and God Jesus only are representations but not Him; pictures of His likeness. 

Fidie ,   you know I loves ya ,   but you running out of gas on this one .    

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