Fidei Defensor Posted August 12, 2018 Group: Royal Member Followers: 18 Topic Count: 165 Topics Per Day: 0.07 Content Count: 3,997 Content Per Day: 1.58 Reputation: 2,607 Days Won: 15 Joined: 04/29/2017 Status: Offline Share Posted August 12, 2018 (edited) Christian Imperialism has taken many forms, from Byzantium to the Papacy to Kremlin to The Puritans to The Preterists to Network Christianity. In all its forms Christian Imperialism and Stage Churches have tried to balance theology with democracy, the Kingdom of Heaven with the temporal Kingdom. How has Christian Imperialism or State churches failed and how have they succeeded? Is the State Church a pollution of Christianity or Was is a necessary means during turbulent periods of history? Make you cases, debate in spirit of love (John 13:34-35), and share your own view on this very controversial blend of Faith and Politics; Piety and Power. You may discuss Christian Colonialism as well since it is connected to state churches and is a form of Imperialism. Edited August 12, 2018 by Fidei Defensor 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frienduff thaylorde Posted August 12, 2018 Group: Mars Hill Followers: 17 Topic Count: 18 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 13,256 Content Per Day: 5.40 Reputation: 1 Days Won: 62 Joined: 07/07/2017 Status: Offline Birthday: 03/25/1972 Share Posted August 12, 2018 2 hours ago, Yowm said: I believe the State Churches are embracing a rejection of the Pre Millennial view presented in Scripture where Christ sets up the Millennium AFTER His second coming. Instead they are attempting to set up the Millennial Kingdom now in order to usher in Christ. Their view of the Millennium just happens to coincide with the Articles in their Church. Geneva was a good ex. Yeah. and wait till we see what the unified faiths and religions in the world church are gonna usher in , WONT BE CHRIST , it will anti Christ who will lead them in what they THINK IS the KINGDOM NOW mentality . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fidei Defensor Posted August 13, 2018 Group: Royal Member Followers: 18 Topic Count: 165 Topics Per Day: 0.07 Content Count: 3,997 Content Per Day: 1.58 Reputation: 2,607 Days Won: 15 Joined: 04/29/2017 Status: Offline Author Share Posted August 13, 2018 22 hours ago, Yowm said: I believe the State Churches are embracing a rejection of the Pre Millennial view presented in Scripture where Christ sets up the Millennium AFTER His second coming. Instead they are attempting to set up the Millennial Kingdom now in order to usher in Christ. Their view of the Millennium just happens to coincide with the Articles in their Church. Geneva was a good ex. Do you think State Churches are Preterist or Amillenial?: “Amillennialism, in Christian eschatology, involves the rejection of the belief that Jesus will have a literal, thousand-year-long, physical reign on the earth. This rejection contrasts with premillennial and some postmillennial interpretations of chapter 20 of the Book of Revelation.” (I share this for others benefit, those who are reading this): Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fidei Defensor Posted August 13, 2018 Group: Royal Member Followers: 18 Topic Count: 165 Topics Per Day: 0.07 Content Count: 3,997 Content Per Day: 1.58 Reputation: 2,607 Days Won: 15 Joined: 04/29/2017 Status: Offline Author Share Posted August 13, 2018 47 minutes ago, Yowm said: I believe historically as a body they started off as amill but of late some have latched on to preterism, esp. partial preterism. I just don't have hard stats so I may be speaking from the bleachers lol. How do state churches, Amillenials, and partial-preterists come to believe Jesus already came back and ruled a thousand years? I know Amillenials tend to lean towards the thousand years are in heaven at the right hand of the Father, but Revelation 20:4-9, Revelation 19:11-6, and Matthew 24:30-51, Acts 1:1–11, 1 Thessalonians 4:16-17, all are clear Jesus must physically show up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fidei Defensor Posted August 13, 2018 Group: Royal Member Followers: 18 Topic Count: 165 Topics Per Day: 0.07 Content Count: 3,997 Content Per Day: 1.58 Reputation: 2,607 Days Won: 15 Joined: 04/29/2017 Status: Offline Author Share Posted August 13, 2018 18 minutes ago, Yowm said: Not all Amills believe all prophecies have happened. For the most part, the cross began the Millennium (we are in it, satan is bound etc. etc.). When one spiritualizes the text anything goes. But there are different forms of Amills. Basically they reject a literal 1000 years as described in Rev. 20. I understood the Amillenial view was founded by St. Augustine of Hippo. Catholics do tend to either tend to make things all symbolic (spiritualize) or all litera as in Transubstantiation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Global Mission Posted August 13, 2018 Group: Members Followers: 5 Topic Count: 1 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 33 Content Per Day: 0.02 Reputation: 30 Days Won: 0 Joined: 07/21/2018 Status: Offline Share Posted August 13, 2018 Good topic.. --- Concept of "state church" started in 380 AD. - (Correct me if I am wrong.) Emperor Theodosius I made Christianity the empire's sole authorized religion. - Constantine should get recognition. He did contribute in some way ..early on. --- It seems that important issue concerning state church is "attraction to political power." After Christianity get hold of political power, it loses simple devotion / commitment to Christ. Spiritual dimension is not on priority. - Christian history shows that . - It becomes part of political power system. History of Catholicism is classic example. - Often accused of Christian imperialism. Protestantism did some of that, too. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeChan82 Posted August 14, 2018 Group: Advanced Member Followers: 4 Topic Count: 12 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 170 Content Per Day: 0.08 Reputation: 95 Days Won: 0 Joined: 05/10/2018 Status: Offline Birthday: 01/21/1958 Share Posted August 14, 2018 (edited) Our founders were aware of the dangers of the state and church marriage. It goes without saying that when Jesus does it, it will be done to perfection. Whether the protestants or the catholics held power, the results were the same; namely persecution of the nonconformists. It is ironic that the Puritans, who themselves fled before persecution, set up the same system and became persecutors. The argument in favor of establishing a state church is to prevent cults. For some reason, it never does that. Enforcing church doctrine by the sword of government leads inevitably to tyranny. When you missed church in Massachusetts during the 1600's it wasn't the minister that visited your door, it was the sheriff. To conclude that the U.S. Constitution was somehow anti religion is to ignore our own history. Ben Franklin praised Christianity as the only means to morality and encouraged it. The hue and cry of the ungodly is, "Separation of church and state". Nope. Religion was to flourish without interference from the state. Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances. Edited August 14, 2018 by JoeChan82 Spelling 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adstar Posted August 14, 2018 Group: Royal Member Followers: 12 Topic Count: 75 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 3,399 Content Per Day: 0.43 Reputation: 1,307 Days Won: 1 Joined: 09/01/2002 Status: Offline Share Posted August 14, 2018 On 8/13/2018 at 5:40 AM, Fidei Defensor said: Christian Imperialism has taken many forms, from Byzantium to the Papacy to Kremlin to The Puritans to The Preterists to Network Christianity. In all its forms Christian Imperialism and Stage Churches have tried to balance theology with democracy, the Kingdom of Heaven with the temporal Kingdom. How has Christian Imperialism or State churches failed and how have they succeeded? Is the State Church a pollution of Christianity or Was is a necessary means during turbulent periods of history? Make you cases, debate in spirit of love (John 13:34-35), and share your own view on this very controversial blend of Faith and Politics; Piety and Power. You may discuss Christian Colonialism as well since it is connected to state churches and is a form of Imperialism. Our Kingdom is not of this world.. Those who have allied themselves with the kingdoms of this world have played the harlot and have ended up corrupting themselves to serve the interests of the worldly kings and their objectives.. Christians should never get into bed with politicians.. Flee state churches.. Get out of her.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fidei Defensor Posted August 14, 2018 Group: Royal Member Followers: 18 Topic Count: 165 Topics Per Day: 0.07 Content Count: 3,997 Content Per Day: 1.58 Reputation: 2,607 Days Won: 15 Joined: 04/29/2017 Status: Offline Author Share Posted August 14, 2018 3 minutes ago, Adstar said: Our Kingdom is not of this world.. Those who have allied themselves with the kingdoms of this world have played the harlot and have ended up corrupting themselves to serve the interests of the worldly kings and their objectives.. Christians should never get into bed with politicians.. Flee state churches.. Get out of her.. Thank you for your input. I am thankfully not part of a state church. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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