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52 minutes ago, rrobs said:

Very well said. There are many other institutions besides the RCC that are causing problems. Having said that, there is a fundamental question. Does the RCC set the morality for the Boy Scouts to follow, or does the Boy Scouts determine the morality of the RCC? I think in general the RCC is far and away more influential in defining the values and mores of Western culture than any other factor.

The RCC doctrine has permeated the fabric of society such that there is not an institution  or individual who is immune from it's influence. Whether or not someone likes Trump is one thing, but the fact is Trump is the way he is largely because of his upbringing, which upbringing was colored by RCC doctrine. It simply can't be avoided. It is in the very air we breath. Some react negatively and other positively, but either way, the actual scriptures most definitely take a back seat to the RCC doctrine. We are the way we are as a country largely because of that.

It's not uncommon to hear someone say Christianity has caused untold problems in this world. The question becomes is it really Biblical Christianity or some other factor? Suffice it to say, if society actually followed scripture it would be a vastly different society. It would be much better. For starters the hate that is becoming more endemic in the world would vanish. The Bible never says to hate someone, so if their is hate it comes from some other source.

I hate to burst bubbles but the RCC articulated doctrines we as Christians believe, especially that the Holy Spirit proceeds from both the Father and the Son (see John 15:26, John 20:20-22, John 10:30). It was Tertullian who coined the word Trinitas or Trinity, but the RCC made it doctrine, which the Holy Scriptures affirmed long ago: 

Go therefore and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit,” (Matthew 28:19) 

“For there are three that testify,” (1 John 5:7)

”But when the Helper comes, whom I will send to you from the Father, the Spirit of truth, who proceeds from the Father, he will bear witness about me,” (John 15:26) 

According to the foreknowledge of God the Father, in the sanctification of the Spirit, for obedience to Jesus Christ and for sprinkling with his blood: May grace and peace be multiplied to you,” (1 Peter 1:2), 

“And when Jesus was baptized, immediately he went up from the water, and behold, the heavens were opened to him, and he saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove and coming to rest on him; and behold, a voice from heaven said, “This is my beloved Son, with whom I am well pleased,” (Matthew 3:16-17),

The Lord appeared to Abraham near the great trees of Mamre while he was sitting at the entrance to his tent in the heat of the day. 2 Abraham looked up and saw three men standing nearby. When he saw them, he hurried from the entrance of his tent to meet them and bowed low to the ground.

3 He said, “If I have found favor in your eyes, my lord, do not pass your servantby. 4 Let a little water be brought, and then you may all wash your feet and rest under this tree. 5 Let me get you something to eat,so you can be refreshed and then go on your way—now that you have come to your servant.” (Geneis 18:1-5)
 
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17 minutes ago, frienduff thaylorde said:

The cause for any one being deceived is on the fault of the person .    Sure the instutition is at fault as well.

BUT  when real grace appears ,   IT LEADS US OUT of such places ,  IT puts LOVE of the TRUTH on our hearts .

their are no victims to sin ,  just slaves to sin .    But the SON OF MAN , HE sets folks FREE .  

As with the false prophet , institution , system , so with the people who love to sit and hear what they say .  

BUT GOD ,   CHRIST calls HIS SHEEP and they will hear him .   And they will follow HIM .  They will flee the voice of strangers ,  THEY WILL FOLLOW ONLY THE LAMB . 

COME YE OUT OF HER my people , lest ye be partakers of her sins ,  and her plagues .  

The scriptures declare that God does not judge as man judges. Men look on the outward appearance whereas God looks on the heart. There are plenty of folks who by all outward appearances do not believe the scriptures. Many simply because they haven't had the chance to hear them. What does God do with them?

Rom 2:14-16,

14 For when the Gentiles, which have not the law, do by nature the things contained in the law, these, having not the law, are a law unto themselves:

15 Which shew the work of the law written in their hearts, their conscience also bearing witness, and [their] thoughts the mean while accusing or else excusing one another;)

16 In the day when God shall judge the secrets of men by Jesus Christ according to my gospel.

The Gentiles God refers to were "outside the pale" of God's chosen people and yet many of them were undoubtedly more godly in their actions than the average Jew who, as the OT shows, was prone to act less than godly. God understands that and when they are judged God will take it into account.

Of course the best way to go is to confess Jesus as Lord and believe God raised him from the dead (Rom 10:9-10). Anyone that does that is judged on the spot and found righteous, as righteous as God Himself (Rom 3:21-22). It's better to settle the question in this life than to wait for the resurrections and judgments that will occur when Jesus is revealed to do the final judgments and set up the long promised kingdom. But that means someone must tell a person about the truth. How can they be expected to believe something they've never heard? So it is up to us to speak the word to them and give them the chance to settle their eternity right here, right now.

Rom 10:13-15,

13 For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.

14 How then shall they call on him in whom they have not believed? and how shall they believe in him of whom they have not heard? and how shall they hear without a preacher?

15 And how shall they preach, except they be sent? as it is written, How beautiful are the feet of them that preach the gospel of peace, and bring glad tidings of good things!

Obviously the RCC is not going to tell them the truth and nothing but the truth. That leaves it up to you and me. I guess we should get busy holding forth God's wonderful matchless word to men and women of any and all religions.

 

 

 

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15 minutes ago, Fidei Defensor said:

I hate to burst bubbles but the RCC articulated doctrines we as Christians believe, especially that the Holy Spirit proceeds from both the Father and the Son (see John 15:26, John 20:20-22, John 10:30). It was Tertullian who coined the word Trinitas or Trinity, but the RCC made it doctrine, which the Holy Scriptures affirmed long ago: 

Go therefore and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit,” (Matthew 28:19) 

“For there are three that testify,” (1 John 5:7)

”But when the Helper comes, whom I will send to you from the Father, the Spirit of truth, who proceeds from the Father, he will bear witness about me,” (John 15:26) 

According to the foreknowledge of God the Father, in the sanctification of the Spirit, for obedience to Jesus Christ and for sprinkling with his blood: May grace and peace be multiplied to you,” (1 Peter 1:2), 

“And when Jesus was baptized, immediately he went up from the water, and behold, the heavens were opened to him, and he saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove and coming to rest on him; and behold, a voice from heaven said, “This is my beloved Son, with whom I am well pleased,” (Matthew 3:16-17),

The Lord appeared to Abraham near the great trees of Mamre while he was sitting at the entrance to his tent in the heat of the day. 2 Abraham looked up and saw three men standing nearby. When he saw them, he hurried from the entrance of his tent to meet them and bowed low to the ground.

3 He said, “If I have found favor in your eyes, my lord, do not pass your servantby. 4 Let a little water be brought, and then you may all wash your feet and rest under this tree. 5 Let me get you something to eat,so you can be refreshed and then go on your way—now that you have come to your servant.” (Geneis 18:1-5)
 

 

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2 minutes ago, Yowm said:

And have articulated doctrines the Scriptures don't teach...

  1. The Catholic church is the one true church
    1.  CCC 2105 "The duty of offering God genuine worship concerns man both individually and socially. This is 'the traditional Catholic teaching on the moral duty of individuals and societies toward the true religion and the one Church of Christ.' By constantly evangelizing men, the Church works toward enabling them 'to infuse the Christian spirit into the mentality and mores, laws and structures of the communities in which [they] live.' The social duty of Christians is to respect and awaken in each man the love of the true and the good. It requires them to make known the worship of the one true religion which subsists in the Catholic and apostolic Church. Christians are called to be the light of the world. Thus, the Church shows forth the kingship of Christ over all creation and in particular over human societies."
  2. Infallibility of the Catholic Church
    1. CCC 2035, "The supreme degree of participation in the authority of Christ is ensured by the charism of infallibility. This infallibility extends as far as does the deposit of divine Revelation; it also extends to all those elements of doctrine, including morals, without which the saving truths of the faith cannot be preserved, explained, or observed."
  3. Only the Roman Catholic Church has authority to interpret Scripture
    1. CCC 100, "The task of interpreting the Word of God authentically has been entrusted solely to the Magisterium of the Church, that is, to the Pope and to the bishops in communion with him."
  4. The Pope is the head of the church and has the authority of Christ
    1. CCC 2034, "The Roman Pontiff and the bishops are 'authentic teachers, that is, teachers endowed with the authority of Christ, who preach the faith to the people entrusted to them, the faith to be believed and put into practice.' The ordinary and universal Magisterium of the Pope and the bishops in communion with him teach the faithful the truth to believe, the charity to practice, the beatitude to hope for."
  5. The Roman Catholic Church is necessary for salvation
    1. CCC 846, "How are we to understand this affirmation, often repeated by the Church Fathers? Re-formulated positively, it means that all salvation comes from Christ the Head through the Church which is his Body: Basing itself on Scripture and Tradition, the Council teaches that the Church, a pilgrim now on earth, is necessary for salvation: the one Christ is the mediator and the way of salvation; he is present to us in his body which is the Church. He himself explicitly asserted the necessity of faith and Baptism, and thereby affirmed at the same time the necessity of the Church which men enter through Baptism as through a door. Hence they could not be saved who, knowing that the Catholic Church was founded as necessary by God through Christ, would refuse either to enter it or to remain in it."
  6. Sacred Tradition equal to scripture
    1. CCC 82, ". . .the Church, to whom the transmission and interpretation of Revelation is entrusted, does not derive her certainty about all revealed truths from the holy Scriptures alone. Both Scripture and Tradition must be accepted and honored with equal sentiments of devotion and reverence'."
  7. Forgiveness of sins, salvation, is by faith and works
    1. CCC 2036, "The specific precepts of the natural law, because their observance, demanded by the creator, is necessary for salvation."
    2. CCC 2080, "The Decalogue contains a privileged expression of the natural law. It is made known to us by divine revelation and by human reason."
    3. CCC 2068, "so that all men may attain salvation through faith, Baptism and the observance of the Commandments,"
  8. Full benefit of Salvation is only through the Roman Catholic Church
    1. "For it is only through Christ's Catholic Church, which is "the all-embracing means of salvation," that they can benefit fully from the means of salvation,,"  (Vatican 2, Decree on Ecumenism, 3).
  9. Grace can be merited
    1. CCC 2010, "Moved by the Holy Spirit and by charity, we can then merit for ourselvesand for others the graces needed for our sanctification."
    2. CCC 2027, "Moved by the Holy Spirit, we can merit for ourselves and for others all the graces needed to attain eternal life, as well as necessary temporal goods."
  10. The merit of Mary and the Saints can be applied to Catholics and others
    1. 1477, "This treasury includes as well the prayers and good works of the Blessed Virgin Mary. They are truly immense, unfathomable, and even pristine in their value before God. In the treasury, too, are the prayers and good works of all the saints, all those who have followed in the footsteps of Christ the Lord and by his grace have made their lives holy and carried out the mission in the unity of the Mystical Body."
  11. Penance is necessary for salvation
    1. CCC 980, “This sacrament of Penance is necessary for salvation for those who have fallen after Baptism, just as Baptism is necessary for salvation for those who have not yet been reborn."
  12. Purgatory
    1. CCC 1031, "The Church gives the name Purgatory to this final purification of the elect, which is entirely different from the punishment of the damned. The Church formulated her doctrine of faith on Purgatory especially at the Councils of Florence and Trent. The tradition of the Church, by reference to certain texts of Scripture, speaks of a cleansing fire:
    2. CCC 1475, "In the communion of saints, "a perennial link of charity exists between the faithful who have already reached their heavenly home, those who are expiating their sins in purgatory and those who are still pilgrims on earth. Between them there is, too, an abundant exchange of all good things." In this wonderful exchange, the holiness of one profits others, well beyond the harm that the sin of one could cause others. Thus recourse to the communion of saints lets the contrite sinner be more promptly and efficaciously purified of the punishments for sin.
  13. Indulgences
    1. CCC 1471, "The doctrine and practice of indulgences in the Church are closely linked to the effects of the sacrament of Penance. What is an indulgence? 'An indulgence is a remission before God of the temporal punishment due to sins whose guilt has already been forgiven, which the faithful Christian who is duly disposed gains under certain prescribed conditions through the action of the Church which, as the minister of redemption, dispenses and applies with authority the treasury of the satisfactions of Christ and the saints.' 'An indulgence is partial or plenary according as it removes either part or all of the temporal punishment due to sin.' The faithful can gain indulgences for themselves or apply them to the dead."
    2. CCC 1478, "An indulgence is obtained through the Church who, by virtue of the power of binding and loosing granted her by Christ Jesus, intervenes in favor of individual Christians and opens for them the treasury of the merits of Christ and the saints to obtain from the Father of mercies the remission of the temporal punishments due for their sins. Thus the Church does not want simply to come to the aid of these Christians, but also to spur them to works of devotion, penance, and charity.
    3. CCC 1498, "Through indulgences the faithful can obtain the remission of temporal punishment resulting from sin for themselves and also for the souls in Purgatory."
    4. CCC 1472, "...On the other hand every sin, even venial, entails an unhealthy attachment to creatures, which must be purified either here on earth, or after death in the state called Purgatory. This purification frees one from what is called the "temporal punishment" of sin..."
  14. Mary (there are many false doctrines concerning Mary found in Roman Catholicism, here are a few)     
    1. Mary is Mediatrix, CCC 969, "Therefore the Blessed Virgin is invoked in the Church under the titles of Advocate, Helper, Benefactress, and Mediatrix.'"
    2. Mary brings us the gifts of eternal salvation, CCC 969, "Taken up to heaven she did not lay aside this saving office but by her manifold intercession continues to bring us the gifts of eternal salvation..."
    3. Mary delivers souls from death, CCC 966, "...You [Mary] conceived the living God and, by your prayers, will deliver our souls from death."
  15. Prayer to the saints
    1. CCC 2677, "By asking Mary to pray for us, we acknowledge ourselves to be poor sinners and we address ourselves to the 'Mother of Mercy,' the All-Holy One. We give ourselves over to her now, in the Today of our lives. And our trust broadens further, already at the present moment, to surrender 'the hour of our death' wholly to her care."
  16. The Communion elements become the actual body and blood of Christ
    1. CCC 1374, "In the most blessed sacrament of the Eucharist "the body and blood, together with the soul and divinity, of our Lord Jesus Christ and, therefore, the whole Christ is truly, really, and substantially contained."
    2. CCC 1376, "The Council of Trent summarizes the Catholic faith by declaring: "Because Christ our Redeemer said that it was truly his body that he was offering under the species of bread, it has always been the conviction of the Church of God, and this holy Council now declares again, that by the consecration of the bread and wine there takes place a change of the whole substance of the bread into the substance of the body of Christ our Lord and of the whole substance of the wine into the substance of his blood. This change the holy Catholic Church has fittingly and properly called transubstantiation."   https://carm.org/list-of-roman-catholic-false-teachings

I didn’t say they had everything right. I merely posted our they got God The Trinity right which we are all obligated to believe. So the RCC gets some things right and others wrong. Just as whatis happening in some Protestant sectors. 

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16 minutes ago, Fidei Defensor said:

I hate to burst bubbles but the RCC articulated doctrines we as Christians believe, especially that the Holy Spirit proceeds from both the Father and the Son (see John 15:26, John 20:20-22, John 10:30). It was Tertullian who coined the word Trinitas or Trinity, but the RCC made it doctrine, which the Holy Scriptures affirmed long ago: 

Go therefore and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit,” (Matthew 28:19) 

“For there are three that testify,” (1 John 5:7)

”But when the Helper comes, whom I will send to you from the Father, the Spirit of truth, who proceeds from the Father, he will bear witness about me,” (John 15:26) 

According to the foreknowledge of God the Father, in the sanctification of the Spirit, for obedience to Jesus Christ and for sprinkling with his blood: May grace and peace be multiplied to you,” (1 Peter 1:2), 

“And when Jesus was baptized, immediately he went up from the water, and behold, the heavens were opened to him, and he saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove and coming to rest on him; and behold, a voice from heaven said, “This is my beloved Son, with whom I am well pleased,” (Matthew 3:16-17),

The Lord appeared to Abraham near the great trees of Mamre while he was sitting at the entrance to his tent in the heat of the day. 2 Abraham looked up and saw three men standing nearby. When he saw them, he hurried from the entrance of his tent to meet them and bowed low to the ground.

3 He said, “If I have found favor in your eyes, my lord, do not pass your servantby. 4 Let a little water be brought, and then you may all wash your feet and rest under this tree. 5 Let me get you something to eat,so you can be refreshed and then go on your way—now that you have come to your servant.” (Geneis 18:1-5)
 

I don't mind bursting bubbles so long as the bubble is not scriptural. I don't mind one bit bursting the trinity bubble. The trinity is the very starting point for all other wrong doctrine. God is one, not three in one, but one. God the Father is one god, adding God the Son is now 2 gods, and adding God the Holy Spirit makes three. While it is perfectly in alignment with many of the 1st century pagan mystery religions, it is definitely not scripture. It pretty much makes the redemption story unintelligible. It makes a mockery of God's plan (logos) and it denigrates the work Jesus, being true man, accomplished in his perfect obedience to his father.

I think most of the damage the RCC has caused Christendom is direct a result of the trinity doctrine. Once it is accepted it is virtually impossible to understand the true nature of God and His son, our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ. Mistaking a man for a god is a pretty big mistake. It's hard to go much further into the truth with the trinity as a foundation.

Read the verses you quoted very carefully. Not one verse you mentioned actually says anything about a trinity. Just because three different things are mentioned in the same verse, it doesn't automatically "prove" the trinity doctrine. While it is true there is a God, there is Jesus, and there is holy spirit, there is no indication that they are somehow the same thing. Daniel chapter 3 relates the story of Shadrach, Meshach, and Abednego. Being three individuals in no way makes them somehow one.

 

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4 minutes ago, Yowm said:

No, but I was just repairing the bubbles you were attempting to burst...

You have to admit, their list is pretty damaging to the faith.

The bubble is still bursted that the RCC articulated our belief in the Trinity as found in the Scriptures. Just as the Eastern Orthodox get sin right in calling it “missing the Mark.” That doesn’t mean their churches are perfect, there is much to reform. Although the same is true in our Protestant Churches with the prosperity doctrine deception, the esoteric spirits posing as Charisma because people don’t rest the spirits (1 John 4:1-3), deliverance ministry which is often devolving  into Exorcism which in the Greek means to conjure demons and put them on people, seeker friendly methods, acceptance of morality in contradiction to Scripture in Methodism, Evangelicalism, Lutheranism, Anglicanism, and Presybeterienism . 

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24 minutes ago, Yowm said:

And have articulated doctrines the Scriptures don't teach...

  1. The Catholic church is the one true church
    1.  CCC 2105 "The duty of offering God genuine worship concerns man both individually and socially. This is 'the traditional Catholic teaching on the moral duty of individuals and societies toward the true religion and the one Church of Christ.' By constantly evangelizing men, the Church works toward enabling them 'to infuse the Christian spirit into the mentality and mores, laws and structures of the communities in which [they] live.' The social duty of Christians is to respect and awaken in each man the love of the true and the good. It requires them to make known the worship of the one true religion which subsists in the Catholic and apostolic Church. Christians are called to be the light of the world. Thus, the Church shows forth the kingship of Christ over all creation and in particular over human societies."
  2. Infallibility of the Catholic Church
    1. CCC 2035, "The supreme degree of participation in the authority of Christ is ensured by the charism of infallibility. This infallibility extends as far as does the deposit of divine Revelation; it also extends to all those elements of doctrine, including morals, without which the saving truths of the faith cannot be preserved, explained, or observed."
  3. Only the Roman Catholic Church has authority to interpret Scripture
    1. CCC 100, "The task of interpreting the Word of God authentically has been entrusted solely to the Magisterium of the Church, that is, to the Pope and to the bishops in communion with him."
  4. The Pope is the head of the church and has the authority of Christ
    1. CCC 2034, "The Roman Pontiff and the bishops are 'authentic teachers, that is, teachers endowed with the authority of Christ, who preach the faith to the people entrusted to them, the faith to be believed and put into practice.' The ordinary and universal Magisterium of the Pope and the bishops in communion with him teach the faithful the truth to believe, the charity to practice, the beatitude to hope for."
  5. The Roman Catholic Church is necessary for salvation
    1. CCC 846, "How are we to understand this affirmation, often repeated by the Church Fathers? Re-formulated positively, it means that all salvation comes from Christ the Head through the Church which is his Body: Basing itself on Scripture and Tradition, the Council teaches that the Church, a pilgrim now on earth, is necessary for salvation: the one Christ is the mediator and the way of salvation; he is present to us in his body which is the Church. He himself explicitly asserted the necessity of faith and Baptism, and thereby affirmed at the same time the necessity of the Church which men enter through Baptism as through a door. Hence they could not be saved who, knowing that the Catholic Church was founded as necessary by God through Christ, would refuse either to enter it or to remain in it."
  6. Sacred Tradition equal to scripture
    1. CCC 82, ". . .the Church, to whom the transmission and interpretation of Revelation is entrusted, does not derive her certainty about all revealed truths from the holy Scriptures alone. Both Scripture and Tradition must be accepted and honored with equal sentiments of devotion and reverence'."
  7. Forgiveness of sins, salvation, is by faith and works
    1. CCC 2036, "The specific precepts of the natural law, because their observance, demanded by the creator, is necessary for salvation."
    2. CCC 2080, "The Decalogue contains a privileged expression of the natural law. It is made known to us by divine revelation and by human reason."
    3. CCC 2068, "so that all men may attain salvation through faith, Baptism and the observance of the Commandments,"
  8. Full benefit of Salvation is only through the Roman Catholic Church
    1. "For it is only through Christ's Catholic Church, which is "the all-embracing means of salvation," that they can benefit fully from the means of salvation,,"  (Vatican 2, Decree on Ecumenism, 3).
  9. Grace can be merited
    1. CCC 2010, "Moved by the Holy Spirit and by charity, we can then merit for ourselvesand for others the graces needed for our sanctification."
    2. CCC 2027, "Moved by the Holy Spirit, we can merit for ourselves and for others all the graces needed to attain eternal life, as well as necessary temporal goods."
  10. The merit of Mary and the Saints can be applied to Catholics and others
    1. 1477, "This treasury includes as well the prayers and good works of the Blessed Virgin Mary. They are truly immense, unfathomable, and even pristine in their value before God. In the treasury, too, are the prayers and good works of all the saints, all those who have followed in the footsteps of Christ the Lord and by his grace have made their lives holy and carried out the mission in the unity of the Mystical Body."
  11. Penance is necessary for salvation
    1. CCC 980, “This sacrament of Penance is necessary for salvation for those who have fallen after Baptism, just as Baptism is necessary for salvation for those who have not yet been reborn."
  12. Purgatory
    1. CCC 1031, "The Church gives the name Purgatory to this final purification of the elect, which is entirely different from the punishment of the damned. The Church formulated her doctrine of faith on Purgatory especially at the Councils of Florence and Trent. The tradition of the Church, by reference to certain texts of Scripture, speaks of a cleansing fire:
    2. CCC 1475, "In the communion of saints, "a perennial link of charity exists between the faithful who have already reached their heavenly home, those who are expiating their sins in purgatory and those who are still pilgrims on earth. Between them there is, too, an abundant exchange of all good things." In this wonderful exchange, the holiness of one profits others, well beyond the harm that the sin of one could cause others. Thus recourse to the communion of saints lets the contrite sinner be more promptly and efficaciously purified of the punishments for sin.
  13. Indulgences
    1. CCC 1471, "The doctrine and practice of indulgences in the Church are closely linked to the effects of the sacrament of Penance. What is an indulgence? 'An indulgence is a remission before God of the temporal punishment due to sins whose guilt has already been forgiven, which the faithful Christian who is duly disposed gains under certain prescribed conditions through the action of the Church which, as the minister of redemption, dispenses and applies with authority the treasury of the satisfactions of Christ and the saints.' 'An indulgence is partial or plenary according as it removes either part or all of the temporal punishment due to sin.' The faithful can gain indulgences for themselves or apply them to the dead."
    2. CCC 1478, "An indulgence is obtained through the Church who, by virtue of the power of binding and loosing granted her by Christ Jesus, intervenes in favor of individual Christians and opens for them the treasury of the merits of Christ and the saints to obtain from the Father of mercies the remission of the temporal punishments due for their sins. Thus the Church does not want simply to come to the aid of these Christians, but also to spur them to works of devotion, penance, and charity.
    3. CCC 1498, "Through indulgences the faithful can obtain the remission of temporal punishment resulting from sin for themselves and also for the souls in Purgatory."
    4. CCC 1472, "...On the other hand every sin, even venial, entails an unhealthy attachment to creatures, which must be purified either here on earth, or after death in the state called Purgatory. This purification frees one from what is called the "temporal punishment" of sin..."
  14. Mary (there are many false doctrines concerning Mary found in Roman Catholicism, here are a few)     
    1. Mary is Mediatrix, CCC 969, "Therefore the Blessed Virgin is invoked in the Church under the titles of Advocate, Helper, Benefactress, and Mediatrix.'"
    2. Mary brings us the gifts of eternal salvation, CCC 969, "Taken up to heaven she did not lay aside this saving office but by her manifold intercession continues to bring us the gifts of eternal salvation..."
    3. Mary delivers souls from death, CCC 966, "...You [Mary] conceived the living God and, by your prayers, will deliver our souls from death."
  15. Prayer to the saints
    1. CCC 2677, "By asking Mary to pray for us, we acknowledge ourselves to be poor sinners and we address ourselves to the 'Mother of Mercy,' the All-Holy One. We give ourselves over to her now, in the Today of our lives. And our trust broadens further, already at the present moment, to surrender 'the hour of our death' wholly to her care."
  16. The Communion elements become the actual body and blood of Christ
    1. CCC 1374, "In the most blessed sacrament of the Eucharist "the body and blood, together with the soul and divinity, of our Lord Jesus Christ and, therefore, the whole Christ is truly, really, and substantially contained."
    2. CCC 1376, "The Council of Trent summarizes the Catholic faith by declaring: "Because Christ our Redeemer said that it was truly his body that he was offering under the species of bread, it has always been the conviction of the Church of God, and this holy Council now declares again, that by the consecration of the bread and wine there takes place a change of the whole substance of the bread into the substance of the body of Christ our Lord and of the whole substance of the wine into the substance of his blood. This change the holy Catholic Church has fittingly and properly called transubstantiation."   https://carm.org/list-of-roman-catholic-false-teachings

Wait a minute! Isn't there a verse that says something about sanctifying people by the Catholic Catechism?

John 17:17,

Sanctify them through thy truth: thy word is truth.

Oops, disregard the Catechism. It says God's word is truth. My mistake! :)

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3 minutes ago, rrobs said:

I don't mind bursting bubbles so long as the bubble is not scriptural. I don't mind one bit bursting the trinity bubble. The trinity is the very starting point for all other wrong doctrine. God is one, not three in one, but one. God the Father is one god, adding God the Son is now 2 gods, and adding God the Holy Spirit makes three. While it is perfectly in alignment with many of the 1st century pagan mystery religions, it is definitely not scripture. It pretty much makes the redemption story unintelligible. It makes a mockery of God's plan (logos) and it denigrates the work Jesus, being true man, accomplished in his perfect obedience to his father.

I think most of the damage the RCC has caused Christendom is direct a result of the trinity doctrine. Once it is accepted it is virtually impossible to understand the true nature of God and His son, our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ. Mistaking a man for a god is a pretty big mistake. It's hard to go much further into the truth with the trinity as a foundation.

Read the verses you quoted very carefully. Not one verse you mentioned actually says anything about a trinity. Just because three different things are mentioned in the same verse, it doesn't automatically "prove" the trinity doctrine. While it is true there is a God, there is Jesus, and there is holy spirit, there is no indication that they are somehow the same thing. Daniel chapter 3 relates the story of Shadrach, Meshach, and Abednego. Being three individuals in no way makes them somehow one.

 

The Holy Trinity is essential for true theology. It was The Trinity, One God in three persons in Genesis 1:27, Genesis 18, and the whole New Testament (John 14:27, John 15:26, John 20:20-22, 1 Peter 1:1-2, Matthew 28:19,  Matthew 3:16-17, 1 John 5:7, 2 Corinthians 13:14,   1 John 4:14, Acts 1:2, John 10:30, and beyond).

To reject the doctrine of Holy Trinity is to reject Christianity. 

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22 minutes ago, Fidei Defensor said:

I didn’t say they had everything right. I merely posted our they got God The Trinity right which we are all obligated to believe. So the RCC gets some things right and others wrong. Just as whatis happening in some Protestant sectors. 

I feel like I've been saying a lot of bad things about the RCC. Sorry about that. I really don't mean any bad will to anyone, regardless of their religion. Every born again believer didn't start out born again. As far as I know, you yourself may end up being the next Apostle Paul. I'd feel like a heel if I knew I derided you. I'll just assume you are a wonderful child of God and let it go at that. God bless...

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The Trinity according to Jews For Jesus: 

“Again, in Exodus 3:13-14, Moses says to God, “Behold, when I come unto the children of Israel, and shall say unto them, The God of your fathers hath sent me unto you; and they shall say to me, What is his name? what shall I say unto them?” God’s answer to Moses is, “I AM THAT I AM…Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, I AM hath sent me unto you.” Here God, when asked to identify himself, says, in effect, “I AM, I AM, I AM. Tell the children of Israel that the Triune God has sent you. Not Isis, not Moloch, not Baal, not Ishtar, but the unique Triune God of Israel has sent you.”

Then there is the blessing of Numbers 6:22-27: “And the LORD spoke unto Moses, saying, Speak unto Aaron and unto his sons, saying, In this way ye shall bless the children of Israel, saying unto them, The LORD bless thee, and keep thee; The LORD make his face shine upon thee, and be gracious unto thee; The LORD lift up his countenance upon thee, and give thee peace. And they shall put my name upon the children of Israel; and I will bless them.” Here God says three times that his name is THE LORD, and he promises to bless those who call upon him as THE LORD, THE LORD, THE LORD. This also seems to hint at the triune nature of God.

In Deuteronomy 6:4, the great Sh’ma prayer of Judaism, God says, “Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God is one LORD.” Again we see the three in one, The LORD, God, the LORD—one.

It appears that God revealed himself in his Triune nature whenever he was about to make some drastic change in his dealings with his people or when he was about to act in judgment.

Moving on to the historical books, in I Samuel 3 we find the beautiful story of God’s call to Samuel. Israel was far gone in apostasy and immorality, but the child Samuel ministered faithfully in the Temple. One night, when all was quiet and old Eli and Samuel were asleep, the Lord called Samuel. The passage in verses 4-9 begins, “…the LORD called Samuel. And he answered, Here am I. And he ran unto Eli and said, Here am I; for thou calledst me. And he said, I called not; lie down again. And he went and lay down. And the LORD called yet again, Samuel. And Samuel arose and went to Eli, and said, Here am I; for thou didst call me. And he answered, I called not, my son; lie down again.…And the LORD called Samuel again the third time. And he arose and went to Eli, and said, Here am I; for thou didst call me. And Eli perceived that the LORD had called the child.” When the LORD called Samuel the third time, Eli knew that this surely was God calling Samuel, and not a dream. Could it not be that Eli and other godly Jews believed in a triune God?

In Isaiah 6:3 we see that the Lord of hosts is not merely holy, but “Holy, holy, holy.” Again one Lord, but three times holy.

Another hint that godly Jews believed in a triune God may be seen in Jeremiah 7:4: “Trust not in lying words, saying, The temple of the LORD, The Temple of the LORD, The Temple of the Lord, are these.” There was only one temple and only one Lord, but belief in a trinity might be expressed by saying three times, “The temple of the Lord.” In this chapter we see that the Lord was chiding those who were careful to keep up with their religious obligations, and to hold true doctrine, but who did not carry their religion into the streets and into their own lives. He was telling them that their worship was correct and their beliefs were true, but their deeds did not match their worship or their beliefs.

There are also other passages that would seem to indicate the triune nature of God. Isaiah 48:16 and Zechariah 4:6 refer to the Spirit of God; there are two references to God’s son—one in Psalm 2 and another in Proverbs 30:1-4. Thus, we see that God, the Son of God, and the Spirit of God were known to ancient Israel. Could it not be that the Lord’s ancient people, those who knew God in truth, did hold to a belief in the triune nature of God?“ (Jews for Jesus, by Catherine Damato | Jun 1, 1987)

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