Ed J Posted August 22, 2018 Group: Advanced Member Followers: 10 Topic Count: 8 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 178 Content Per Day: 0.07 Reputation: 169 Days Won: 0 Joined: 03/27/2017 Status: Offline Birthday: 07/07/1977 Share Posted August 22, 2018 Hi Everyone, This topic is to show others how the effects of peoples sins are a burden on the innocent. Looking forward to see how in depth other peoples understanding is on this all important topic. ____________ Your brother in Christ Ed J 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frienduff thaylorde Posted August 22, 2018 Group: Mars Hill Followers: 17 Topic Count: 18 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 13,256 Content Per Day: 5.35 Reputation: 1 Days Won: 62 Joined: 07/07/2017 Status: Offline Birthday: 03/25/1972 Share Posted August 22, 2018 2 hours ago, Yowm said: Fine. Who are the innocent? Well , as I am sure you will agree. How bout the SIN MURDER on the unborn babies . The babies don't yet know evil and good , they don't know anything yet , free thinkers got no problems having them crushed and sucked right out the womb . Yeah . I would surely say that is just plain evil . 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Sower Posted August 22, 2018 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 14 Topic Count: 32 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 5,243 Content Per Day: 0.97 Reputation: 5,845 Days Won: 1 Joined: 07/09/2009 Status: Offline Popular Post Share Posted August 22, 2018 (edited) 3 hours ago, Ed J said: Hi Everyone, This topic is to show others how the effects of peoples sins are a burden on the innocent. Looking forward to see how in depth other peoples understanding is on this all important topic. I would say the sins of the world created a huge burden beyond comprehension, upon it's creator....Lord Jesus...the innocent Edited August 22, 2018 by Gary Lee 3 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed J Posted August 22, 2018 Group: Advanced Member Followers: 10 Topic Count: 8 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 178 Content Per Day: 0.07 Reputation: 169 Days Won: 0 Joined: 03/27/2017 Status: Offline Birthday: 07/07/1977 Author Share Posted August 22, 2018 2 hours ago, Yowm said: Fine. Who are the innocent? Your snap-comments are unwelcome, go hassle someone else 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed J Posted August 23, 2018 Group: Advanced Member Followers: 10 Topic Count: 8 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 178 Content Per Day: 0.07 Reputation: 169 Days Won: 0 Joined: 03/27/2017 Status: Offline Birthday: 07/07/1977 Author Share Posted August 23, 2018 frienduff thaylorde Gave you an answer and you said guilty go hassle someone else Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
angels4u Posted August 23, 2018 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 56 Topic Count: 1,664 Topics Per Day: 0.20 Content Count: 19,763 Content Per Day: 2.39 Reputation: 12,161 Days Won: 28 Joined: 08/22/2001 Status: Offline Share Posted August 23, 2018 Jesus is the innocent One and it was for us He went to the cross,to carry the sins of the whole world... 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GandalfTheWise Posted August 23, 2018 Group: Royal Member Followers: 24 Topic Count: 40 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 1,459 Content Per Day: 0.60 Reputation: 2,377 Days Won: 2 Joined: 08/23/2017 Status: Offline Share Posted August 23, 2018 There's a time to dot the theological i's and cross the theological t's; but there is also a time to discuss and deal with the very real and deep pain and suffering and burdens and bondages of people that requires God's healing and deliverance. I'm guessing that @Ed J intended the latter in the OP. Taking innocents as meaning infants, children, and those under an age of accountability who do not have direct experience or knowledge or bondage to particular sins, (or indeed possibly taking it to mean someone who is innocent about a particular sin) ... The most egregious examples I can think of are 1. when those innocents without the power to protect themselves are overwhelmed by physical, mental, emotional, and spiritual abuse of various types 2. when innocents are exposed to addicting substances and behaviors that they would otherwise not have fallen into How many besetting sins and addictions that Christians struggle with as adults were embedded into them at a young age? How many lies were embedded deep into us when we were young and vulnerable and impressionable? I'm guessing quite a few. Victims of sexual abuse often have deep emotional and spiritual wounds that create compulsive behaviors and feelings that are beyond their capability to fully control. How many addictions began due to exposure to it from some other addict. How many porn addictions started when some kid found their father or grandfather's stash of it? How many substance addictions started with a kid sneaking a parent's or relative's booze or whatever or being offered something from a more powerful person? How many adults carry deep feelings of ugliness, stupidity, uselessness, or whatever believing that lie about themselves because an angry adult, parent, teacher, whoever, verbally abused them? There are many physical, spiritual, mental, and emotional burdens and bondages that Christians (and non-Christians) carry around that were piled onto them at a stage in their life where they were innocent about certain things and knew nothing about them. One of the things I've been happy to see in the past few decades is that the church is no longer ostracizing people who've been abused (and carry around compulsive behaviors and addictions that have that abuse as a root) but starting to see them as requiring God's healing and deliverance to be freed from those bondages and burdens rather than piling a guilt trip on them that it is all their fault for not having enough repentance, willpower, discipline, or resolve to change themselves. From what I've heard and read from Christian women who were chronically sexually abused as children, there is a deep rooted shame, pain, and fear that reaches out and affects many parts of their life including often how they view God as Father and men. It's not a matter of simply trying harder to stop any sinful behaviors or feelings that result from this, it is something buried terribly deep within that God needs to work to heal them of. 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SisterActs2 Posted August 23, 2018 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 23 Topic Count: 7 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 1,000 Content Per Day: 0.37 Reputation: 1,655 Days Won: 1 Joined: 11/27/2016 Status: Offline Birthday: 12/08/1950 Share Posted August 23, 2018 8 minutes ago, GandalfTheWise said: From what I've heard and read from Christian women who were chronically sexually abused as children, there is a deep rooted shame, pain, and fear that reaches out and affects many parts of their life including often how they view God as Father and men. It's not a matter of simply trying harder to stop any sinful behaviors or feelings that result from this, it is something buried terribly deep within that God needs to work to heal them of. Thank you, Gandalf, for your very thought provoking post. I have first-hand knowledge of the trauma suffered by these people, and count some of them as my closest friends and sisters in the Lord. I will do all I can to help and love them, as they may have been victims but are now survivors! Believe me, these are amongst the bravest people I have ever known. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SisterActs2 Posted August 23, 2018 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 23 Topic Count: 7 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 1,000 Content Per Day: 0.37 Reputation: 1,655 Days Won: 1 Joined: 11/27/2016 Status: Offline Birthday: 12/08/1950 Share Posted August 23, 2018 1 hour ago, Ed J said: Your snap-comments are unwelcome, go hassle someone else Hi Ed J Yowm may not want or need my affirmation, but with respect, he is not hassling you. He does ask thought-provoking questions which, for myself, I thank him. It has caused me to think outside the square and see things differently sometimes. Welcome, brother. You may have joined a little while ago and I missed the opportunity to welcome you then. ? 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neighbor Posted August 23, 2018 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 18 Topic Count: 950 Topics Per Day: 0.35 Content Count: 13,530 Content Per Day: 5.03 Reputation: 9,027 Days Won: 6 Joined: 12/04/2016 Status: Online Birthday: 03/03/1885 Share Posted August 23, 2018 (edited) 19 hours ago, Ed J said: Hi Everyone, This topic is to show others how the effects of peoples sins are a burden on the innocent. Looking forward to see how in depth other peoples understanding is on this all important topic. ____________ Your brother in Christ Ed J Well yes, the sin of the father can affect family to the 3rd and even 4th generation. I take that in contect of the 3rd and 4th generation all living under the same roof at the same time rather than a generational passing on the effect of a sin. Each individual however does bear the penalty of sin which is death, which came upon all of creation with the event of God's wrath over the sin of the first Adam. None are exempt! None have excuse. All have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God, save perhaps two. This creation of God's by Jesus has fallen into to consequence of sin. It is dying. Absolutely all of it will pass away. Yet a few will be saved out of it to be with God eternally at the new heaven and the new earth, that perfect place, of no sin, no death, where all tears are of the past, wiped away. To say none live in isolation, and that what each individual does has some affect upon others is perhaps correct; but it is also true that each person is accountable personally for themselves. At some point each person has to overcome the using of others and their sins as excuse for personal circumstance and personal sin too. each person must come to hear and heed th espcific call of th eholy Spirit to them to repent of sin against God and to turn to Jesus as Lord God and personal savior, for Jesus is the only way to eternal life with God the Father God the Son and God the Holy Spirit. Some if not many will bear great woe at their judgement before Jesus, judgement for the effect of their sin against God, with especially severe punishment for those that have affected the young the "inocent", innocent or with an unawareness of mature grasping of sin and it's cost. To harm a child, for example, seems to be held out by Jesus for special disdain and His warning of especially severe consequence. Edited August 23, 2018 by Neighbor Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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