Jump to content
Debp

Man Killed by Policewoman in His Own Apartment

Recommended Posts

This is such a really sad and horrible story.  The Dallas, Texas, 26 year old man who was shot to death by a Policewoman in his own apartment!  The lady officer accidentally went to the wrong floor in her apartment building after getting off work.   She started to put her key in the door and the door was slightly ajar, so it opened.  She saw the silhouette of a man in the dark, thought he was in her apartment and she shot him twice.  She did call out commands but he didn't respond...I guess he was shocked at someone entering his apartment.

To make matters even worse, the young man was a worship leader at his church.

His mother approved of the apartment because it was only one block from the police station.  His mother says they are Christians so they do forgive but she wonders why the officer shot her son like that.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
4 hours ago, Debp said:

The lady officer accidentally went to the wrong floor in her apartment building after getting off work.   She started to put her key in the door and the door was slightly ajar, so it opened.

There is a lot of conflicting information circulating right now.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/botham-jean-shooting-dallas-police-officer-amber-guyger-family-attorney-disputes-account/

It sure would be nice to know the truth. If someone is too incoherent to know she was on the wrong floor, her judgement under the circumstances and accurate recall of events is certainly suspect.

  • Thumbs Up 2

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
1 hour ago, Yowm said:

Why does she wonder? By the article, it was an understandable mistake.

Let me get this straight... If your child was shot in his/her own home by a police officer that unlawfully entered the wrong address, wouldn't you wonder why your child was shot and killed?

  • Thumbs Up 1

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
1 hour ago, one.opinion said:

Let me get this straight... If your child was shot in his/her own home by a police officer that unlawfully entered the wrong address, wouldn't you wonder why your child was shot and killed?

At the very least, it is involuntary manslaughter. 

But she is living proof of the fallacy of the concept of "shoot first and ask questions later."

  • Thumbs Up 2
  • Loved it! 1

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
1 hour ago, Yowm said:

It says why, so why should the mother wonder? Unless the MSM got their facts mixed up ...again. 

Maybe she's wondering how in the heck a police officer would be so incoherent that she broke into her son's apartment and shot and killed him. Why did she pull her weapon? Why did she shoot if she was under no threat of violence? There are a lot of questions I wonder about and Botham Jean wasn't even my son.

With the amount of misinformation swirling around (check here), I know I would be wondering about a lot of things.

  • Thumbs Up 1

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
1 hour ago, Still Alive said:

At the very least, it is involuntary manslaughter. 

But she is living proof of the fallacy of the concept of "shoot first and ask questions later."

Agreed, this is a horrible incident where an innocent man lost his life. Like you say - she should be convicted of involuntary manslaughter at the very least.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
7 hours ago, Yowm said:

Why does she wonder? By the article, it was an understandable mistake.

I think since the dead man's mother was and is in terrible mourning and grief, her response is understandable.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

this is no not like a police officer....   I think there is much more than we know.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
1 hour ago, Yowm said:

What happened to the 'innocent until proven guilty' line of justice we are afforded here in the U.S.?

Of course the legal process should be followed and will be followed, but this is a pretty open-and-shut case of manslaughter, at the very least. To her credit, she called the shooting in, apparently after realizing that she had just shot an innocent man that later died in the hospital.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

This is from conservative Christian journalist David French:

The Worst Police Shooting Yet

David French September 11, 2018 2:44 PM

 

It is hard to think of a more tragic, more senseless shooting in America than the killing last week of Botham Shem Jean, a young black risk-assurance associate at PricewaterhouseCoopers, and a member of Dallas West Church of Christ.

This is what we know so far. Jean was home alone in his apartment in the South Side Flats complex in Dallas when police officer Amber Guyger entered and shot him dead. The precise chain of events is somewhat disputed. The affidavit supporting Guyger’s arrest warrant states that she believed she was entering her own apartment, which was directly below Jean’s and laid out almost identically. When she placed her key in the lock, the door pushed open, the apartment was dark, she saw a “large silhouette” across the room, and she believed she was facing a burglar. She “drew her firearm” and “gave verbal commands,” which she claims Jean ignored. She fired twice, and only then, she says, entered the apartment, called 911, turned on the lights, and realized she’d made a terrible mistake.

These statements, however, don’t square with other testimony. One witness reported hearing a woman yelling, “Let me in! Let me in!” before the gunshots and a man’s voice saying, “Oh my God. Why did you do that?” after them.

Aside from the horrific details of the shooting itself, there are already troubling indications that Guyger’s identity as a police officer is providing her with actual, undeserved advantages in the prosecution of this case.

First, police sources are reportedly indicating that Guyger may actually try to raise the fact that Jean didn’t obey her commands as a defense. It’s not a defense. The moment she opened the door to an apartment that wasn’t her own, she wasn’t operating as a police officer clothed with the authority of the law. She was instead a criminal. She was breaking into another person’s home. She was an armed home invader, and the person clothed with the authority of law to defend himself was Botham Shem Jean.

Which brings us to the second troubling element of the story. So far, Guyger is only charged with manslaughter. But all the available evidence indicates that she intentionally shot Jean. This wasn’t a warning shot gone awry. The pistol didn’t discharge during a struggle. She committed a crime by forcing open Jean’s door, deliberately took aim, and killed him.

Texas law defines murder quite simply as “intentionally or knowingly caus[ing] the death of an individual.” Manslaughter, by contrast, occurs when a person “recklessly” causes death. Guyger’s warning and her deliberate aim scream intent. She may have “recklessly” gone to the wrong apartment, but she very intentionally killed Jean. There is a chance that the grand jury will increase the charge to murder, so the early manslaughter charge is tentative. But I ask you: If Jean had mistakenly gone to Guyger’s apartment and then gunned her down in cold blood after demanding that she follow his commands, would he face a manslaughter charge?

Finally, it’s troubling that Guyger wasn’t arrested and booked until three days after the shooting. Reportedly, Dallas police had prepared a warrant the day after the killing, but they handed the investigation over to the Texas Rangers, who put a hold on the warrant.

What’s done is done, and the delayed arrest shouldn’t have any ultimate impact on the prosecution, but when all the available evidence indicates that a cop acted outside of her lawful authority, she should receive none of the courtesies and advantages so often extended to members of law enforcement. She’s a citizen, like any other, and it is hard to imagine — again — that if the roles had been reversed Jean would have enjoyed several days of relative freedom before he was arrested and booked. He’d have been in handcuffs that night, and rightfully so.

There is need for vigorous debate about the extent of police misconduct toward black men. I am unconvinced by the “open season” rhetoric, and the data supporting claims that police are more trigger-happy when confronting black men is controversial and conflicting. Without question, that’s an issue worth serious inquiry and study, and no one single incident or handful of incidents is dispositive or even all that relevant to settling it.

At the same time, however, each individual incident demands fair inquiry and the impartial administration of justice. Yet this has too often proven difficult. Juries credit officers for their fear without properly determining whether that fear was “reasonable.” And thus we’ve seen the sad spectacle of a mistrial after a cop shot an unarmed, running man in the back; the acquittal of the Minnesota cop who shot Philando Castile as Castile was doing his best to comply with the cop’s panicked, conflicting demands; and the acquittal of the cop who shot a sobbing Daniel Shaver as he crawled on his hands and knees, begging for his life.

Indeed, the justice system is often so stacked in officers’ favor that they enjoy qualified immunity, a judge-made rule that blocks even civil lawsuits against those who make dangerous and deadly mistakes.

We ask police officers to be brave. We ask officers to face a much higher degree of danger than civilians. We ask them to show restraint even in the face of provocations and tense confrontations. There are countless among them who do all we ask, and more. But we also ask something else: that police officers be subject to the very laws they’re sworn to enforce.

That’s where the system has failed in all too many cases, wounding a family that’s already suffering and breaking the public’s trust each time. At present there’s no evidence that Amber Guyger woke up Thursday morning intending to kill anyone. One can certainly feel a degree of sympathy for a person who makes a terrible mistake. But sympathy must not be allowed to cloud the quest for justice. Guyger’s blue uniform should not grant her a single advantage in the investigation and prosecution to come.

 

https://www.nationalreview.com/2018/09/amber-guyger-botham-jean-shooting-police-must-face-impartial-justice/amp/?__twitter_impression=true

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

×