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1 hour ago, vlad said:

It is all right so far. I do not insist on anyone to accept that. But I accept it literally:

1 John 3 King James Version (KJV)

And ye know that he was manifested to take away our sins; and in him is no sin.

Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not: whosoever sinneth hath not seen him, neither known him.

Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous.

He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.

Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.

10 In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever doeth not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loveth not his brother.

What the Apostle John revealed it fulfils itself in the life of a man if he be born again, that is, he be born of the water and the Spirit, as Jesus taught. (John 3:v.5&7)  

There are three that bear witness in earth, the Spirit, and the water, and the blood: and these three agree in One. (1John 5:v.8)

JESUS explains: That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit. (John 3:v.6)      John said: In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the Devil: (1John 3:v.10)   See: God is a title, the Word is God. God is Word, God is Spirit, the Word is Spirit, therefore, be born of Spirit is be born of the Word.    

Then that which is born of the Spirit is spirit, but that which is born of the flesh is flesh, as said JESUS (John 3:v.6).  Hence the reason by which the apostle John explained, saying: In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the Devil, in other words, the children of God are spirit, and the children of Devil are flesh. As we can see, to be born again signifies a change of nature, ie, from a devilish nature (ie, born of the flesh) to a celestial or heavenly nature (ie, be born of God, or of the Spirit).   

That being said, we conclude that our Lord JESUS Christ is the only one who was not born of the Devil, because He is the own Word made flesh, the Word is God. All mankind was born of the flesh, ie was born of the Devil, so that only those who was born of the Spirit will enter into the Kingdom of God that will be established on Earth (Rev.5:v.10 and 11:v.15 and its consequences in the verse 18) in this seventh and last millennium, or seventh and last Day, the Day of the Lord.


Peter Apostle warned, saying:  2Peter 3:v.7
7 But the heavens (TWO HEAVENS) and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto FIRE against the Day of Judgment and perdition of ungodly men.   (Remember: The Word is a consuming FIRE)

8 But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one Day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one Day.(We are already living in the beginning of the first century of this seventh and last millennium, or seventh and last Day, as we can see by Scriptures) 

9 The Lord is not slack concerning His promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.

10 But the Day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens (TWO HEAVENS) shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the WORKS that are therein shall be burned up.

11 Seeing then that all these things shall be DISSOLVED, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness,

12 Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the Day of God, wherein the heavens (TWO HEAVENS) being on FIRE shall be DISSOLVED, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?

13 Nevertheless we, according to His promise, look for NEW heavens and a NEW earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.

14 Wherefore, beloved, seeing that ye look for such things, be diligent that ye may be found of Him in peace, without spot, and blameless.

 

He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches

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9 hours ago, Yowm said:

Your passage is speaking of sin as a pattern or even a habit. It does not mean 3 strikes and you're out! The born again Christian is not like that.

And so...

If we say we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us. If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. If we say we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us.
(1Jn 1:8-10)
 

 

As I said I take the words of St.John literally and correct even today. This truth is not pleasant. Human beings prefer encouraging and pleasant things that is why they seek what they want to find. In my opinion past sin was forgiven but not all the possible future sins. There may be many modern explanations and theories of sin to every taste. We have the freedom to differ without pressing each other or opposing each other with corresponding citations on each side. . As I said I personally  take the words literally. May be some other people share my point of view. And that is all. I do not accuse any one else nor do I allege that they are surely wrong. No point arguing. As someone said in a form of a joke to every 10 people in this forum there are 12 opinions. There is no changing that. Agreeing to deffer is the best and the most peaceful and loving each other way out. We will find it all out after death.

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9 hours ago, Oseas Ramos de Siqueira said:

What the Apostle John revealed it fulfils itself in the life of a man if he be born again, that is, he be born of the water and the Spirit, as Jesus taught. (John 3:v.5&7)  

There are three that bear witness in earth, the Spirit, and the water, and the blood: and these three agree in One. (1John 5:v.8)

JESUS explains: That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit. (John 3:v.6)      John said: In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the Devil: (1John 3:v.10)   See: God is a title, the Word is God. God is Word, God is Spirit, the Word is Spirit, therefore, be born of Spirit is be born of the Word.    

Then that which is born of the Spirit is spirit, but that which is born of the flesh is flesh, as said JESUS (John 3:v.6).  Hence the reason by which the apostle John explained, saying: In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the Devil, in other words, the children of God are spirit, and the children of Devil are flesh. As we can see, to be born again signifies a change of nature, ie, from a devilish nature (ie, born of the flesh) to a celestial or heavenly nature (ie, be born of God, or of the Spirit).   

That being said, we conclude that our Lord JESUS Christ is the only one who was not born of the Devil, because He is the own Word made flesh, the Word is God. All mankind was born of the flesh, ie was born of the Devil, so that only those who was born of the Spirit will enter into the Kingdom of God that will be established on Earth (Rev.5:v.10 and 11:v.15 and its consequences in the verse 18) in this seventh and last millennium, or seventh and last Day, the Day of the Lord.


Peter Apostle warned, saying:  2Peter 3:v.7
7 But the heavens (TWO HEAVENS) and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto FIRE against the Day of Judgment and perdition of ungodly men.   (Remember: The Word is a consuming FIRE)

8 But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one Day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one Day.(We are already living in the beginning of the first century of this seventh and last millennium, or seventh and last Day, as we can see by Scriptures) 

9 The Lord is not slack concerning His promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.

10 But the Day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens (TWO HEAVENS) shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the WORKS that are therein shall be burned up.

11 Seeing then that all these things shall be DISSOLVED, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness,

12 Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the Day of God, wherein the heavens (TWO HEAVENS) being on FIRE shall be DISSOLVED, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?

13 Nevertheless we, according to His promise, look for NEW heavens and a NEW earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.

14 Wherefore, beloved, seeing that ye look for such things, be diligent that ye may be found of Him in peace, without spot, and blameless.

 

He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches

As I said I take the words of St.John literally and correct even today.  There may be many modern explanations and theories of sin to every taste. We have the freedom to differ without pressing each other or opposing each other with corresponding citations on each side.  May be some other people share my point of view. And that is all. I do not accuse any one else nor do I allege that someone is surely wrong. No point arguing. As someone said in a form of a joke to every 10 people in this forum there are 12 opinions. There is no changing that. Agreeing to deffer is the best and the most peaceful and loving each other way out. We will find it all out after death.

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1 hour ago, Yowm said:

I do take the words literally, including the moods and tenses of the Greek verbs which many English translations gloss over. That will help your understanding greatly of 1John.

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This conversation seems like it has gotten a bit of track, compared with the OP, but i suppose that is harmless enough, since she only posted on that herself two posts, both on the same day - sort of a hit and run. Not sure that was at all, an honest query, or just someone distracting good people from legitimate topics.

Well, she did succeed at distracting people, but, she did not succeed at diverting them from meaningful discussion anyway. Carry on I guess, but to be honest, I would not cry over seeing the topic die out, just to that OP title, gets lost and not continually bumped into prominence.

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4 hours ago, Yowm said:

I do take the words literally, including the moods and tenses of the Greek verbs which many English translations gloss over. That will help your understanding greatly of 1John.

The sense is the same. Hundreds of scholars were checking the text of the Bible. The sense is practically the same. There is no need to rewrite the Bible or any part of it now. All English versions are correct. It is the Holy Bible trusted by practically every Christian. I have read the Gospel in Gothic (what remained of it) and in Old English and in Russian. The senses are practically the same. And that is the main thing. For instance some scholars insist that it was not a camel to pass through the eye of the needle but a rope in Aramaic. But the sense is the same.

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19 hours ago, Yowm said:

Do you understand the differences between the aorist, perfect, imperfect and present tenses in Greek? English often does not reflect those differences. So for example 1Jn 3:8 in the KJV says 'commits sin', that can be misunderstood as one or two times. The NASB reflects the Greek better and translates it 'practices sin' giving the clearer and more accurate picture of a continuous pattern of sin.

Two helpful translations in showing this in the passages we mentioned  are the Amplified and Expanded Bibles which read...

You know that ·Christ came [he has appeared/was revealed] to take away sins and that there is no sin in ·Christ [him].  So anyone who ·lives [abides; remains] in ·Christ [him] does not ·go on sinning [or sin; the Christian ideal, an implicit call to avoid sin]. Anyone who ·goes on sinning [or sins] has ·never really understood Christ and has never known him [neither seen him nor known him].
      Dear children [2:1], do not let anyone ·lead you the wrong way [deceive you]. The one who does what is right is righteous, just as ·Christ [he] is righteous.  Anyone who ·continues to sin [or sins] belongs to the devil [John 8:44], because the devil has been sinning since the beginning. The Son of God ·came [was revealed; appeared] for this purpose: to destroy the devil’s work.
      ·Those [All] who are ·God’s children [born of/begotten by God; 2:29] do not ·continue sinning [or sin], because ·the new life from God [or God’s message; or God’s Spirit; his seed/sperm] ·remains [abides] in them. They are not able to ·go on sinning [or sin], because they ·have become children of God [Lare born of/begotten by God].  ·So we can see [In this way it is apparent/revealed/evident] who God’s children are and who the devil’s children are: Those who do not ·do what is right [practice righteousness] are not ·God’s children [from/of God], and those who do not love their brothers and sisters are not ·God’s children [from/of God]. 1 John 3:5-10 (Expanded Bible)

You know that He appeared in visible form and became Man to take away [upon Himself] sins, and in Him there is no sin [essentially and forever].
   No one who abides in Him [who lives and remains in communion with and in obedience to Him—deliberately, knowingly, and habitually] commits (practices) sin. No one who [habitually] sins has either seen or known Him [recognized, perceived, or understood Him, or has had an experiential acquaintance with Him].
   Boys (lads), let no one deceive and lead you astray. He who practices righteousness [who is upright, conforming to the divine will in purpose, thought, and action, living a consistently conscientious life] is righteous, even as He is righteous.
   [But] he who commits sin [who practices evildoing] is of the devil [takes his character from the evil one], for the devil has sinned (violated the divine law) from the beginning. The reason the Son of God was made manifest (visible) was to undo (destroy, loosen, and dissolve) the works the devil [has done].
   No one born (begotten) of God [deliberately, knowingly, andhabitually] practices sin, for God’s nature abides in him [His principle of life, the divine sperm, remains permanently within him]; and he cannot practice sinning because he is born (begotten) of God.
   By this it is made clear who take their nature from God and are His children and who take their nature from the devil and are his children: no one who does not practice righteousness [who does not conform to God’s will in purpose, thought, and action] is of God; neither is anyone who does not love his brother (his fellowbeliever in Christ). 1 John 3:5-10 (Amplified Bible)

If we say we ·have no sin [or have no sin nature; or are not guilty of sinning], we are ·fooling [deceiving] ourselves, and the truth is not in us.  But if we confess our sins, he will forgive our sins, because ·we can trust God to do what is right [he is faithful and righteous/just; Deut. 32:4]. He will ·cleanse [purify] us from all ·the wrongs we have done [unrighteousness].  If we ·say [claim] we have not sinned, we make God a liar, and ·we do not accept God’s teaching [his word is not in us]. 1 John 1:8-10 (Expanded Bible)

If we say we have no sin [refusing to admit that we are sinners], we delude and lead ourselves astray, and the Truth [which the Gospel presents] is not in us [does not dwell in our hearts].
   If we [freely] admit that we have sinned and confess our sins, He is faithful and just (true to His own nature and promises) and will forgive our sins [dismiss our lawlessness] and [continuously] cleanse us from all unrighteousness [everything not in conformity to His will in purpose, thought, and action].
   If we say (claim) we have not sinned, we contradict His Word and make Him out to be false and a liar, and His Word is not in us [the divine message of the Gospel is not in our hearts]. 1 John 1:8-10 (Amplified Bible)

The senses in I John 3 (5-10) are clear on the surface and correct today. The whole Gospel in English is correct today.

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