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Have you noticed this? Matt 24:43:

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*[[Mat 24:43]] KJV* But know this, that if the goodman of the house had known in what watch the thief would come, he would have watched, and would not have suffered his house to be broken up.

Have you noticed that this question is NOT worded in beforehand terminology,  but terminology that is after the fact.   

1.  If he HAD KNOWN...

2.  He WOULD HAVE watched, 

3.  He would not HAVE SUFFERED...

Jesus said that if he HAD KNOWN,  that he would have WATCHED.   So now notice the context of what he says before and after this verse: 

BEFORE, 

*[[Mat 24:42]] KJV* Watch therefore: for ye know not what hour your Lord doth come.

AFTER, 

*[[Mat 24:44]] KJV* Therefore be ye also ready: for in such an hour as ye think not the Son of man cometh.

The command to be ready,  follows after the command to watch.  [I'll give you my main point shortly].  For starters,  Jesus assures us of the need to watch.   But by saying "be ye ready ALSO", he is saying that watching,  in and of itself, is not enough to be ready for his coming.  

Verse 43 is then assuring us that his coming will be like a thief.  [He is talking about his coming for us].  He is assuring us that the thief is coming.   Paul warned us not to be caught sleeping when Jesus comes.   So,  to be ready for the thief, does not mean to just be looking for him.   You have to make some preparations so that he doesn't steal something that is not being guarded or watched.  

Let me now get to my point.   Jesus said that no man "knows" that day and hour but the Father, not even the SON.   I think that we ca conclude that the Father "knows",  when that day and hour will take place.   If it was simply a matter of when,  Jesus would know too.   And he does know when,  it is the "what" that remains a mystery to all of mankind,  even to John the revelator.  Notice how little is revealed by John when the 6th seal is opened.   When Jesus says that "no man knows that day", the word know is eido,  h1492, meaning to perceive.   Look at what that verse follows:

*[[Mat 24:35]] KJV* Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away.

*[[Mat 24:36]] KJV* But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only.

The when of that day has been set and the time is known by the son.   Otherwise,  Jesus could not tell of the signs that are to precede that day.   It is the "what terrible things will happen on that day" that no man knows will take place on that day & hour.   Jesus told us WHAT to watch for,  but even with that said,  "be ye ready ALSO! ".  

It wasn't the when that people did not know on that day.   It was the what.   Need I refer you to the scriptures that day that until that time,  it had NEVER rained upon the earth?   Need i remind you that God shut the door 7 days before it began to rain?   Look what it says about the days of Noah: 

*[[Mat 24:39]] KJV* And knew not until the flood came, and took them all away; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.

What was lacking in their knowledge (knowing) was not the when, (at the time when God shut the door,)  but it was the WHAT that came from the flood itself.  "And knew not until the flood came..."  The people of Noah's day,  knew the when,  they just didn't know the what.  It is not the when that concerns Jesus's exhortation to be ready,  it is the what.   No man knows WHAT that day will be like.   The son of man is not coming when you think and in the circumstances that you think he is coming: 

Jesus told us what signs to watch for concerning the when he is coming,  so that we might prepare ourselves for the unknown WHAT about his coming, and how bad it will be because no man knows what that day will be like.

*[[Mat 24:44]] KJV* Therefore be ye also ready: for in such an hour as ye think not the Son of man cometh.

Blessings

The PuP 

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Hi Da Puppers,

Then to the Body of Christ, who do NOT walk in darkness, but by the light of the Holy Spirit, He says -

`But you, brethren, are NOT in darkness, so that this day should overtake you as a thief. You are sons of light and sons of the day. We are NOT of the darkness.` (1 Thess. 5: 4 & 5)

Marilyn.

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1 hour ago, Marilyn C said:

Hi Da Puppers,

Then to the Body of Christ, who do NOT walk in darkness, but by the light of the Holy Spirit, He says -

`But you, brethren, are NOT in darkness, so that this day should overtake you as a thief. You are sons of light and sons of the day. We are NOT of the darkness.` (1 Thess. 5: 4 & 5)

Marilyn.

It was not the unexpectedness of the flood that the people of Noah's day did not know.   It was the severity of the judgment (we never seen rain before) that they knew not.   Likewise,  shall the day of wrath and revelation of the righteous judgment of God,  not be known by that generation until it be upon them on a day unparalleled in history.  

*[[Jer 30:7]] KJV* Alas! for that day is great, so that none is like it: it is even the time of Jacob's trouble; but he shall be saved out of it.

Blessings

The PuP 

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Hi Da Puppers,

Now this is what you said -Verse 43 is then assuring us that his coming will be like a thief.  [He is talking about his coming for us]. 

And this is what the Lord says to the Body of Christ -But you, brethren, are NOT in darkness, so that this day should overtake you as a thief. You are sons of light and sons of the day. We are NOT of the darkness.` (1 Thess. 5: 4 & 5)

God`s word to different groups of people there, bro.

Marilyn.

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4 hours ago, Marilyn C said:

Hi Da Puppers,

Now this is what you said -Verse 43 is then assuring us that his coming will be like a thief.  [He is talking about his coming for us]. 

And this is what the Lord says to the Body of Christ -But you, brethren, are NOT in darkness, so that this day should overtake you as a thief. You are sons of light and sons of the day. We are NOT of the darkness.` (1 Thess. 5: 4 & 5)

God`s word to different groups of people there, bro.

Marilyn.

Coming like a thief means that it will unexpected for those who are not prepared.   It is not the when for which no man knows the day (Jesus told us what to watch for), but it is the what that no man knows that day & hour.  Being ready,  preparing the vessel of your house,  your soul,  involves more than just knowing what to watch for.   Not expecting to be here on that day,  means that you are not watching and ultimately not preparing your heart for that day. 

*[[Luk 21:36]] KJV* Watch ye therefore, and pray always, that ye may be accounted worthy to escape all these things that shall come to pass, and to stand before the Son of man.

The word "stand" means to be unmoved in your faith.  It is of complete contrast to being removed from where you are at. 

Blessings

The PuP 

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5 hours ago, Marilyn C said:

Hi Da Puppers,

Now this is what you said -Verse 43 is then assuring us that his coming will be like a thief.  [He is talking about his coming for us]. 

And this is what the Lord says to the Body of Christ -But you, brethren, are NOT in darkness, so that this day should overtake you as a thief. You are sons of light and sons of the day. We are NOT of the darkness.` (1 Thess. 5: 4 & 5)

God`s word to different groups of people there, bro.

Marilyn.

Do you understand what the righteous judgment of God involves?  It will be revealed in the day of his wrath: 

*[[Rom 2:5]] KJV* But after thy hardness and impenitent heart treasurest up unto thyself wrath against the day of wrath and revelation of the righteous judgment of God;*[[Rom 2:6]] KJV* Who will render to every man according to his deeds:*[[Rom 2:7]] KJV* To them who by PATIENT CONTINUANCE  in well doing seek for glory and honour and immortality, eternal life:

We are called to have patient continuance in that day.   The same is said here: 

*[[2Th 1:4]] KJV* So that we ourselves glory in you in the churches of God for your PATIENCE and faith in all your persecutions and tribulations that ye endure:*[[2Th 1:5]] KJV* Which is a manifest token of the righteous judgment of God, that ye may be counted worthy of the kingdom of God, for which ye also suffer:

So what is patient continuance?  The Greek word is hupomone;

h1. G5281

Original: *ὑπομονή*

Transliteration: *hupomonē*

Phonetic: *hoop-om-on-ay'*

*Thayer Definition*:

1. steadfastness, constancy, endurance
 A. in the NT the characteristic of a man who is not swerved from his deliberate purpose and his loyalty to faith and piety by even the greatest trials and sufferings

 B.  patiently, and steadfastly

2. a patient, steadfast waiting for
3.  a patient enduring, sustaining, perseverance

Origin: from [[d 5278]]

TDNT entry: 13:41,6

Part(s) of speech: Noun Feminine

*Strong's Definition*: From [[G5278]]; cheerful (or hopeful) _endurance, constancy:_ - enduring, patience, patient continuance (waiting).

Did you notice the definition in 1A?  ... not swerved from his faith... even by the greatest trials and sufferings... TO BE REVEALED IN THE DAY OF WRATH...The righteous judgment of God.   We are not called to partake of the wrath of God,  but we are called to continue patiently when he pours his wrath of others,  namely, the Jews: 

*[[Rom 2:8b,9]] KJV* ... indignation and wrath, Tribulation and anguish, upon every soul of man that doeth evil, of the Jew first, and also of the Gentile;

*[[Mar 14:38]] KJV* Watch ye and pray, lest ye enter into temptation. The spirit truly is ready, but the flesh is weak.

The disciples were spiritually ready,  but physically/ emotionally weak to endure the trial of their faith. 

Blessings

The PuP 

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Why?

How about we just read the text in normal everyday day language that all can understand?

It can't be that complicated. Everyone has to be able to understand what is written, in any language, especially the Good News.

Why can't it be that this parable just means be ready? 

Why can't it be that watching is also being ready? Only the prepared watch and only the diligent watcher prepares, for anything.

Jesus is just saying that, like the homeowner who was ready and didn't allow the thief to break in, we should also be ready, and that readiness includes watching for signs; just like a diligent homeowner would watch for signs of suspicious activity, and then go check the locks, the alarms, let the dog out, change the guard.

Watch so bad things don't happen to you.

 

 

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On 9/13/2018 at 12:29 PM, Da Puppers said:

If it was simply a matter of when,  Jesus would know too.   And he does know when,

 

On 9/13/2018 at 12:29 PM, Da Puppers said:

The when of that day has been set and the time is known by the son. 

Just noticed this in the OP. Do you listen to Scott Clarke? The above is in direct contradiction to scripture. 

I suggest you take a better look at the things you say as, "For by thy words thou shalt be justified, and by thy words thou shalt be condemned." - Matt 12:37

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Maybe gnats and camels?

If my kindergarten child can understand this, then it is as written.
Very understandable and straightforward. 

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Since the Church was still a mystery in God at this point, I'm pretty sure that Matt. 24 wasn't addressed to it, but to the Jews who would be living at the time of the Tribulation.

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