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If you want proof that Jesus had a sense of humor, look at yourself the next time you step out of the shower.  Jesus used puns, riddles, sarcasm, hyperbole, and teasing to teach.  Humor-neutics is the method I am developing to locate, label, and interpret the humor of Jesus.  I hope you will join me to study and discuss this topic.   To study my short online course, go to

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https://www.mysite.con/

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This area of the forum, is for introductions and welcomes.

No are of the forums, are to be used for selling things Gary.

If you want to discuss the topic of the humor of Jesus in a post on the forums, you may do so, but refrain in the future, from attempting to sell that or make money from our users. We are not here to be a marketing tool.

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Hi Gary, welcome!   I see you do standup comedy.   Maybe you can share about that in the General Discussion area?  Also, if you have any videos on YouTube, you can post them in the video section.   It's good to laugh.

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      When Calvin wasn't trying to get more people burned at the Stake, he also created theologically backwards ideas like : YOU  have no choice about your Salvation....God chose you, and that settles that.
      So, lets look at this one point of his 5 point "salvation theory" system.... and then compare it to the Grace of GOD, which is OSAS.
      Now,  to believe this, you have to pretend that Free Will, is not in fact, real.
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      God is JUST....which means, regarding heaven and hell, and people going there....He would not be JUST, if He denied you the freewill to end up in >either place<.
      Heaven is a choice. Hell is a choice.. A person, who is breathing, while still an unbeliever.. makes the choice to trust Christ or reject Christ, (Hebrews Ch 4 and 10, Unsaved Hebrews) and GOD accepts their choice now and in eternity, and they get to experience the fruit of their choice, just as soon as they DIE.
      A Person who ends up in Hell, chose to go there. A person who ends up in Heaven, chose to go there.
      Jesus is THE WAY.... John 14:6 And if you receive Him as the WAY, you go to heaven, and if you reject Him as the ONLY Way, you go to Hell, and then later, the Lake of Fire.
      And this is not a myth.
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      There are actually people on this Forum, and on all Christian Forums, that have been taught that some people are born to go to hell, and that God chooses them to go.
      I know the scriptures they twist to try to prove this Satanic theology, and i won't be quoting them here.
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    • By Behold
      I wanted to show you something, that might be a huge revelation to someone with a sincere heart, who has not realized an unfortunate fact regarding their own personal (Christian) belief system.

      Lets do the math.
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      A person says......"we believe that salvation is the Cross, but that you can "fall away" and be lost.

      A.) The savior is always what YOU BELIEVE KEEPS YOU SAVED.
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      A person says.....>"he who endures to the end, the same shall be saved".

      A.) for this person, their Savior is "ENDURING to the end".
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      A person says.....> "As long as you hold unto your FAITH, you are still saved".

      A.) for this person, holding unto their faith is their personal Savior.
      So, where did the Cross go?

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      A person says....> "As long as i KEEP ON working out my salvation with fear and trembling, i stay saved.

      A.) this person is trusting in their lifestyle as their personal Savior.
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      A person says...."As long as i dont apostatize or backslide, i stay saved.

      A.) This person is trusting in keeping themselves from apostatizing or backsliding as their personal Savior.
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      This is Christ rejection pretending its the Faith that God accepts.
      Paul wrote the letter to the Galatians to expose it.
      The end result : is that all these types have "fallen from Grace".
      The end result : is that all these people have replaced the CROSS with what they are to DO, as their particular heretical method to try keep themselves saved.

       
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      Maybe someone reading this is not so happy, and needs a hug.

      So,

      If i might give you some thoughts that could possibly be a new set of "new eyes" for you.

      First, life is hard. Its difficult. Life tends to be a test that just keeps on testing, and it can be so tiring.
      At one point the Apostle Paul was just sick of it all, and wanted to go and be with Jesus and the Father and the Saints and the Host of Heaven, but He decided to stay here instead as He knew it was "More needful"..really mattered that He stayed, as the "Church" was still brand new and needed Him so much.
      But Paul was tired of "life".....the grind...and so, also there is this fact..
      "Jesus is touched with the feelings of our sad feelings".
      He lived here as a Man, God became ONE OF US.....and so He understands exactly how it feels to be in this world and in this Life.
      Your NT says something that you'll probably never hear a preacher preach, but i'll tell you.
      It says that "Jesus learned obedience by the things He SUFFERED"... down here.
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      I live in Israel, and i live sometimes in the States, and ive walked where The Lord has walked, and its HOT in the SUMMER where He always had to walk, where he LEARNED all about TIRED and Thirsty.
      Jesus is touched with the feelings we feel, my brothers and my sisters.
      Jesus KNOWS your NAME.
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      Everything we feel,......= God, as Christ has also felt, yet without sinning. And because God is touched by our grief and our pain and our frustrations......we should come to understand that He understands us perfectly when we pray, and He is able to give us comfort where we need it the most.
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      So, = When you need more Grace, when you need more help from God, then lean on Him more.
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      ""Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith."
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      The idea of a born again person being "in the flesh", as it's explained in Galatians, is that they do not believe or Trust that Jesus keeps them saved, so they have "gone back", ... they have left their In Christ alone Faith, and are now trusting in themselves to stay saved, by keeping commandments and worrying about the LAW.
      Understand that Trusting in commandment keeping - law keeping... to be accepted by God, is rejecting (Grace) ... God's ONLY method for you to be accepted by Him.
      God's acceptance of a person is only through the CROSS... is "Grace"... but the Legalist has gone away from this, (fallen from it),(fallen from Grace) and they are now trusting in the self effort of commandment-law keeping.....as their way they believe that God will accept them, if they continue doing it, and this is why they only talk about the law and commandments on forums like this one. They can't talk about Grace, because they are "fallen from Grace".
      Understand?
      Paul teaches that this reverting back to trusting in laws and commandments instead of ONLY trusting in Christ to save you and keep you saved....(Grace) is to be "in the flesh".
      Now this verse is key......Galatians 3:3....>Paul is asking a Legalist....."are you so foolish that after you have been redeemed by Christ's Blood alone, (Grace) that you now turn from this and go back and trust the Law AND KEEPING THE 10 COMMANDMENTS to keep you saved"? (Fallen from Grace)
      See it?
      Most Legalist can't, and dont care to look, actually.

      Also...
      A born again person, OSAS... recognizes the 10 commandments and many other similar bible "don't do's", that we obey everyday, because we understand these are our boundaries, regarding our behavior., and when the bible tells us to "be holy as God is holy", then we understand that the Holiness of God, is shown as the 10 commandments, etc.
      So, living our lives within these boundaries, is wisdom, is protection.
      But what its not, (Keeping the 10 commandments and The Law) is NOT our Salvation or our Redemption.
      We understand Galatians 3:24
      We OSAS, understand that we are "no longer under the law but are under GRACE", Romans 6:14 which means that for the born again, the 10 commandments and the Law are only our HOLY guidelines that we are to realize that God provided...= as our (Christian Discipleship) lifestyle - behavioral boundaries... = They are not able to redeem us, but they protect us from the consequences of living outside them.
      So, we don't.

      Finally...
      So, what is the difference in interpretation between someone who understands Grace, OSAS.... and someone who does not understand it, or has fallen from it, the Legalist, when both think about and recognize the Law and the 10 Commandments. ?>??

      Well, the OSAS, understands that we are to realize and obey the 10 commandments ONLY as our behavioral boundaries... our Lifestyle boundary.......and to live outside them, to break them by our behavior, is to harm our lives and this also displease God. But, we understand that these same 10 commandments and other Laws, have no power to redeem us, or make us right with God, or keep us saved.
      OSAS, understands and BELIEVES that = Only the shed Blood of God as Jesus on the Cross has the power to save, to keep you saved, and to cleanse you from all your sin, continually.
      This is Redemption, and the Law and the 10 Commandments, can't ever do this.....not ever.

      The Legalist, on the other hand, keeps the law and 10 commandments, for all of those same LIFESTYLE reasons, but they also trust these laws and commandments as their way to be SAVED and to Stay saved, instead of ONLY trusting in Christ alone for Redemption.
      Understand that if you don't also trust Christ and Christ alone to keep you saved, then you are not trusting in Christ, at all.
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