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“EMERGENT INEBRIATES: Some Thoughts on Pub Theology”

By Larry DeBruyn

As he begins to rip into “a screaming guitar solo,” a band member sarcastically yells out at the audience, “Let’s go to church boys!”[1] Welcome to Pub Theology. As the reporter describes it, Pub Theology is “a Sunday night show that’s one part church and one part party.” Among other posters on the barroom walls, one alludes to the final verse of the biblical chapter on love. It reads, “Faith, Hope, Love and Beer” (The biblical text reads, “But now abide faith, hope, love, these three; but the greatest of these is love” 1 Corinthians 13:13, NASB).

Being “shaggy-haired, body-pierced and colored with assorted body art,” members of the Sunday evening pub rock group double as members of a mega-church’s “worship team” on Sunday mornings. Confessing to love both Jesus and rock ‘n’ roll, band members will burn through a pack of cigarettes and exhort the audience to visit the bar and buy beer during Sunday night “church.” Initially skeptical about hosting Pub Theology on Sunday nights, the bar owner now admits the band has turned an otherwise dead night into a profitable evening.

Regarding this new outreach–the mega-church’s ministerial staff approve of doing Pub Theology–one of the band’s members says: “We want to be sincere and authentic and be who we really are, whether that is wearing jeans and a T-shirt or having a beer. I think that is real” he continues, “and I don’t think it is wrong or that God is unhappy about that.” Relates another band member: “I can drink a beer and smoke a cigarette and play some of my favorite songs and hang out with my friends and maybe meet someone and tell them about Jesus.”

Interestingly, most of the band members were raised in religious homes. In fact, two of its members are former PKS (That’s an acronym for “preacher’s kids.”). Having been a former pastor, their father has now become the band’s “roadie” (That’s a term which refers to the managers and technicians traveling with the band.). The members account for the band’s existence and approach to ministry for reason of their holier-than-thou Wesleyan upbringing–you know, “I don’t drink, I don’t smoke, I don’t go to R-rated movies, I don’t dance.”

On this point, and as a rebellious child of the 60s who too was raised in the legalistic environment of Western Michigan, let me say that I understand and somewhat sympathize with the band members’ rejection of legalism. But all rebels ought to be cautioned that, “rebellion is as the sin of witchcraft, and stubbornness is as iniquity and idolatry” (1 Samuel 15:23). Yet God doesn’t make Christians from the outside in, but rather from the inside out. Though one’s Christianity is defined by inner faith not outer works, Paul did write that Christians are God’s “workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them” (Ephesians 2:10). So we must not assume the opposite attitude from legalism, that of antinomianism (i.e., that God’s grace cancels out any need to obey His moral and spiritual law). For as Paul asked: “What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound? God forbid. How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein?” (Romans 6:1-2). Contradicting antinomianism the writer of Hebrews orders us to, “Follow [pursue-NKJV] . . . holiness, without which no man shall see the Lord: Looking diligently lest any man fail of the grace of God; lest any root of bitterness springing up trouble you, and thereby many be defiled” (Hebrews 12:14-15).

Nevertheless, the casual and alcoholically lubricated atmosphere of Pub Theology raises an important issue, for as the reporter asks, “Does Pub Theology produce any lasting effects, or is it just a casual encounter with church in a bar—a spiritual one-night stand?” All the band’s claims of “doing ministry” notwithstanding—they do field questions about Christianity from the audience and callers-in, give inebriated individuals rides home, and have even seen one rescued drunk baptized a few days later in their church—Pub Theology shows every symptom of being a carnal “one-night-stand.” (Note: I do not use the word spiritual.)

First, Pub Theology is not church. If it is, then where’s the reading of Scripture, the apostles’ teaching, prayer and observance of the Lord’s Table? (Acts 2:42) But on this point, we can be certain that the band will avoid any impression of being too “churchly or preachy.” But beer steins are no substitute for communion cups. In fact, to the true church, the apostle Peter announced that, “the time past of our life may suffice us to have wrought the will of the Gentiles, when we walked in lasciviousness, lusts, excess of wine, revellings, banquetings, and abominable idolatries” (1 Peter 4:3).

Second, Pub Theology is not theology. Reportedly, the band’s opening song was Joan Osborne’s one-hit wonder, “What if God was one of us?” The lyrics add, “Just a slob like one of us.”[2] Imagine . . . God being a slob like the rest of the inebriated crowd at the bar. Given such a humanizing of God, what we’re dealing with is not Pub Theology, but pub idolatry. “And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things” (Romans 1:23). Do you think Joan Osborne’s lyrical questions in any way resemble or affirm the great Christological passages of the New Testament? (John 1:1 ff.; Colossians 1:15-17; Philippians 2:5-11). By the way, these cited passages are comprised of theological statements extracted from early Christian hymns. Would the pub theology band sing them? I’d think they’d estimate that the lyrics of these biblical hymns are far too dogmatic, stodgy, and preachy for the “boys” at the bar!

Third, Pub Theology is not Christian outreach. To attain a “spiritual” end, it employs carnal, fleshly, and worldly means. But the apostle Paul wrote to the Ephesians, “And be not drunk with wine, wherein is excess; but be filled with the Spirit; Speaking to yourselves in psalms and hymns and spiritual songs, singing and making melody in your heart to the Lord” (Ephesians 5:18-19). If the song “What if God was one of us?” gives any indication, probably none of the other music the band plays includes “psalms, and hymns, and spiritual songs.”

The apostle Paul would not have employed carnal means to attain spiritual ends. You can’t fight fire with fire. He wrote:

For though we walk in the flesh, we do not war after the flesh: (For the weapons of our warfare are not carnal, but mighty through God to the pulling down of strong holds;) Casting down imaginations, and every high thing that exalteth itself against the knowledge of God.  (2 Corinthians 10:3-5; compare Galatians 5:21 where Paul labels “drunkenness” a work of the flesh).

So we conclude: Given the atmosphere surrounding Pub Theology, the description of love as it exists on a poster at “Sunday-night-church-in-a-bar” might be parodied to read: Now abide these four, “faith, hope, love, and beer,” but the greatest of these is beer!

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Truly a mess, we have one of those "pub churches" around here. During various festivities, their out with their rock music, advertising for a local beer company, and reaching out to... the lost??? :blink:  In my reaching out to them one day with the Gospel at a town festivity where they had a stand, and commenting on their beer, they were real jovial like, and mentioning "hey, we don't judge anybody, and like, beers cool, what's the matter with that!" I left them a Christian tract, and they received it with a silly smile...

1 Corinthians 5:11-13  But now I have written unto you not to keep company, if any man that is called a brother be a fornicator, or covetous, or an idolater, or a railer, or a drunkard, or an extortioner; with such an one no not to eat.  (12)  For what have I to do to judge them also that are without? do not ye judge them that are within?  (13)  But them that are without God judgeth. Therefore put away from among yourselves that wicked person.
 

Who knows? Hopefully some will repent and come out?

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Puts me in mind of those that followed Jesus until the free food was gone.That was the only reason they “ followed” Him.Where we these people be when the beer is gone and the party is over? The intentions may be good but the whole thing stinks.

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Our state has ministers swearing and being vulgar to attract the unbelievers as well.  People aren't dumb.  They laugh at them for their decadence.  It is part of the so called emergent church movement.  This is another name for the apostasy, since most don't believe the Bible is God's inspired word, or that Paul's writings are scripture, and they pick and choose what others should believe.    They don't seem to believe in the God of the Bible but one of their own imagination.

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This is to me nothing short of preaching "the social gospel" and unless these dear deluded brethren see the error of their ways, seek forgiveness, repent, and be brought back into the "fold of God." I don't dare think what their outcome will be. (praying).

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7 hours ago, Sojourner414 said:

What gets me is that after a few weeks of this, the "church" part will probably get less and less...

I doubt there really is a "church" part to it.   It's really just a pretext for indulging the flesh.   Their purpose is not to glorify God and there is nothing in what they are doing that is really glorifying to the Lord. 

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11 hours ago, Sojourner414 said:

What gets me is that after a few weeks of this, the "church" part will probably get less and less...

 

4 hours ago, shiloh357 said:

I doubt there really is a "church" part to it.   It's really just a pretext for indulging the flesh.   Their purpose is not to glorify God and there is nothing in what they are doing that is really glorifying to the Lord. 

Probably...….    doubt...…     hummmmmmm….    sounds kind of like the resistance.....

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15 hours ago, Yowm said:

One person's 'liberty' is another person's (usually a weaker brother) stumbling block (hic).

Sooooo   true.

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16 hours ago, Yowm said:

One person's 'liberty' is another person's (usually a weaker brother) stumbling block (hic).

I am not sure this is even that kind of an issue.  They are simply using "church" as a pretense for alcoholism and simply living like the world.   It's not like they are drinking in the privacy of their own home. 

In the ancient pagan world, drinking and drunkenness was part of how they worshipped their gods.

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I wish I could say that I am surprised but sadly I am not. Apostacy and the emergent church are everywhere. This is the extreme opposite of legalism but same root; unregenerated .  They may as well take their pot and bongs to the "festivities. " Dont hold your breath! Soon we may see this ad in states where pot is legal. "  ...... Come praise Jesus for hops and pot. His grace is sufficient..."  

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