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19 hours ago, Cletus said:

You sure about that?

Rom 4:2  For if Abraham were justified by works, he hath whereof to glory; but not before God.

Rom 4:3  For what saith the scripture? Abraham believed God, and it was counted unto him for righteousness.
Rom 4:4  Now to him that worketh is the reward not reckoned of grace, but of debt.
Rom 4:5  But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness.
Rom 4:6  Even as David also describeth the blessedness of the man, unto whom God imputeth righteousness without works,
Rom 4:7  Saying, Blessed are they whose iniquities are forgiven, and whose sins are covered.
Rom 4:8  Blessed is the man to whom the Lord will not impute sin.
Rom 4:9  Cometh this blessedness then upon the circumcision only, or upon the uncircumcision also? for we say that faith was reckoned to Abraham for righteousness.
Rom 4:10  How was it then reckoned? when he was in circumcision, or in uncircumcision? Not in circumcision, but in uncircumcision.
Rom 4:11  And he received the sign of circumcision, a seal of the righteousness of the faith which he had yet being uncircumcised: that he might be the father of all them that believe, though they be not circumcised; that righteousness might be imputed unto them also:
Rom 4:12  And the father of circumcision to them who are not of the circumcision only, but who also walk in the steps of that faith of our father Abraham, which he had being yet uncircumcised.

No one is justified by works.  The law only showed the OT people that by themselves they could not do it... same as today. 

 

I was not expecting the post to come out in this way suggesting faith plus works...

I understand the scriptures you have posted and understand that we are justified by faith without works. Amen 

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7 hours ago, Cletus said:

sometimes I ask God... I dont even know what I need, dont know what to ask but I know I need something, but please give it to me, whatever it is.

Thank you, Cletus. This is good advice. 

4 hours ago, Heybro said:

You're "copping out" in the relationship, "trust and obey, for there's no other way, to be happy in Jesus, but to trust and obey.

Thank you, Heybro. I don't disagree with you. I find it far easier to obey than to trust. I'm starting to understand this now. 

3 hours ago, Blood Bought 1953 said:

I am not quite sure what you mean with this  “ working through it” thing with Jesus. ... If you BELIEVE that Jesus died for you sins and rose from the dead on the third day, you are saved.

Thank you, Blood Bought 1953. I'm not sure myself what "working through it" means. I need to spend time with my feelings. I need to spend time in prayer, in conversation with God. Love alone is not enough to make a marriage work. I need to figure out what kind of relationship I want with God.

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LearningToLetGo, something else I would like to share with you, if I may. Feelings are untrustworthy at best, your emotions can easily lead you down a path that is not beneficial to anyone! God ALONE Is Trustworthy, He is completely Faithful in His Character, simply because He Is Unchanging, completely Rock Solid. Don't get in touch with "your feelings," get in touch with God, by way of The Holy Spirit's direction in your Heart. In his song,"It's The Name Above All Names," Chuck Girrard sings, Jesus says," I'll take every inch that you surrender to Me." God, who is Limitless, because He dwells and lives outside of time, unlike us. In His love toward us limits Himself to whatever amount you surrender to Him, He will work with however much, or little you are willing to give Him. So let me ask you the question, "what are you holding back on, what part aren't you willing to give over?" God is a jealous God, He doesn't want to share you with anyone, or anything else, but Him alone.  We sing the timeless chorus, "I surrender all," but do we really. He wants All of Us, He gave us His All, in Jesus dying in our stead, just so that we can get back into "right standing, and  loving relationship as it was, "In the beginning." As always, I hope this helps, God bless.

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47 minutes ago, LearningToLetGo said:

Thank you, Cletus. This is good advice. 

Thank you, Heybro. I don't disagree with you. I find it far easier to obey than to trust. I'm starting to understand this now. 

Thank you, Blood Bought 1953. I'm not sure myself what "working through it" means. I need to spend time with my feelings. I need to spend time in prayer, in conversation with God. Love alone is not enough to make a marriage work. I need to figure out what kind of relationship I want with God.

 

If you are in the Body of Christ,try this—— He is  your Father,and you are His Son—- That is the best way to see your relationship ,plus it’s Biblical.God bless

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11 hours ago, Heybro said:

Don't get in touch with "your feelings," get in touch with God, by way of The Holy Spirit's direction in your Heart.

Thank you for this advice. Yesterday was exceedingly difficult for me. After prayer and a good night's sleep I feel much better.

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Praise The Lord, be blessed!

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On 9/27/2018 at 10:17 AM, LearningToLetGo said:

 

  

 I think this is where I get confused. Is accepting Jesus something that we can rightly do on our own or does Jesus first call to us, thus preparing our way to accept Him? Another way of asking this is do individuals first chose Jesus and thus receive the Grace of God, or does Jesus first chose individuals who then feel called to Jesus to receive the Grace of God?

The grace of God is what happens when god pulls his hand back from destroying you. If you are standing and talking, you are under grace.

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On 9/27/2018 at 12:41 AM, LearningToLetGo said:

I accept that man cannot earn God's salvation through works. Instead, man's salvation is a gift that God bestows upon those who accept His son Jesus as their Lord and Savior. But how is accepting Jesus not the ultimate "work?" 

I think you are contemplating a very important issue.  Do we have the responsibilty to respond to God's grace?  Trent summarizes it better than I could so I'll post some Trent teachings.

If anyone says that man can be justified before God by his own works, whether done by his own natural powers or through the teaching of the law,[110] without divine grace through Jesus Christ, let him be anathema.

If anyone says that divine grace through Christ Jesus is given for this only, that man may be able more easily to live justly and to merit eternal life, as if by free will without grace he is able to do both, though with hardship and difficulty, let him be anathema.

If anyone says that without the predisposing inspiration of the Holy Ghost[111] and without His help, man can believe, hope, love or be repentant as he ought,[112] so that the grace of justification may be bestowed upon him, let him be anathema.

If anyone says that man’s free will moved and aroused by God, by assenting to God’s call and action, in no way cooperates toward disposing and preparing itself to obtain the grace of justification, that it cannot refuse its assent if it wishes, but that, as something inanimate, it does nothing whatever and is merely passive, let him be anathema.

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On 10/1/2018 at 9:38 AM, Concretecamper said:

I think you are contemplating a very important issue.  Do we have the responsibilty to respond to God's grace?  Trent summarizes it better than I could so I'll post some Trent teachings.

If anyone says that man can be justified before God by his own works, whether done by his own natural powers or through the teaching of the law,[110] without divine grace through Jesus Christ, let him be anathema.

If anyone says that divine grace through Christ Jesus is given for this only, that man may be able more easily to live justly and to merit eternal life, as if by free will without grace he is able to do both, though with hardship and difficulty, let him be anathema.

If anyone says that without the predisposing inspiration of the Holy Ghost[111] and without His help, man can believe, hope, love or be repentant as he ought,[112] so that the grace of justification may be bestowed upon him, let him be anathema.

If anyone says that man’s free will moved and aroused by God, by assenting to God’s call and action, in no way cooperates toward disposing and preparing itself to obtain the grace of justification, that it cannot refuse its assent if it wishes, but that, as something inanimate, it does nothing whatever and is merely passive, let him be anathema.

This I don't understand...

What is the point of these messages...

If someone who believes, and by default has the gift of Eternal Life, 

And for some reason he tries to earn what he has, 

That does not mean that he does not have the gift..

He does by default, whether he knows it or not...

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Learningtoletgo

1) it is you who is to accept Christ as your Lord and Saviour. He has already chosen you from before your first breath. It is his gift to you and all you have to do is accept it.

2) I think you might be trying to find some worthiness within yourself as per your example of not being a good enough husband. I'm here to tell you are not worthy in any way of God's love and Grace. You never were and never will be. None of us are and that's why it's a Gift. 

Stop beating yourself up. God just wants you to accept his unconditional love. No strings attached. 

You are the adopted child of the King of Kings and heir to all that he has. How awesome is that.

 

 

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