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WHAT DID JESUS MEAN IN JOHN 4:22, “SALVATION IS OF THE JEWS?”

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John 4:21-23:

21“Believe Me, woman,” Jesus replied, “a time is coming when you will worship the Father neither on this mountain nor in Jerusalem. 22You worship what you do not know; we worship what we do know, for salvation is from the Jews. 23But a time is coming and has now come when the true worshipers will worship the Father in spirit and in truth, for the Father is seeking such as these to worship Him.…

In our chat room the other day I posited this text as a question and still did not get a definitive answer.

There were responses that were eloquent in defining things like the Gospel and its meaning, but still they did not answer the obvious question, that is:

Just what did Jesus mean when He said this to the Samaritan woman?

Was He referring to the tribe of Judah on general or also to Himself in particular?

And if to Himself in particular then what about those who say that by the blood lineage of Mary, from the Gospel of Luke 1:31-35

The only mention of Mary’s genealogy is that her relative (KJV: cousin) Elizabeth was “a daughter of Aaron” (Luke 1:5)

And then there are those that say that the word "Jew" doesn't belong in that passage.

 

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Was not Jesus a Jew.

Was not the Jews who were closest to God through their struggle and worship.

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2 hours ago, Raven said:

Was not Jesus a Jew.

One author points that the lineage's of Joseph tracing him back to the tribe of Judah are moot in this case inasmuch Jesus was not begotten of Joseph's "seed", but of the Holy Spirit.

2 hours ago, Raven said:

Was not the Jews who were closest to God through their struggle and worship.

On this one, there are differences of opinion also.

Basically, they were the people chosen by God and used for His purpose.

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But the point is that Jesus was raised from birth within the Jewish community. That the Jews, and not the Samaritans, were worshiping the one and only God.

What other answers, or suggestions, surpass these for the content the scripture is relating to?

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That is what I am asking others for Raven ;)

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WHAT DID JESUS MEAN IN JOHN 4:22, “SALVATION IS OF THE JEWS?”

The salvation predicted by the prophets was to come through the Messiah of the Jews (Luke 2:30; Romans 3:1-2; 9:4-5; 1 Peter 1:10-12).

Luke 2: 30, For mine eyes have seen thy salvation,

Romans 3:1-2, v  1, What advantage then hath the Jew? or what profit is there of circumcision? 


v 2, Much every way: chiefly, because that unto them were committed the oracles of God. 

Romans 9:2-5 v 4, Who are Israelites; to whom pertaineth the adoption, and the glory, and the covenants,2 and the giving of the law, and the service of God, and the promises; 


v 5, Whose are the fathers, and of whom as concerning the flesh Christ came, who is over all, God blessed for ever. Amen. 

1 Peter 1: 10-12, v  10, Of which salvation the prophets have enquired and searched diligently, who prophesied of the grace that should come unto you: 


v 11, Searching what, or what manner of time the Spirit of Christ which was in them did signify, when it testified beforehand the sufferings of Christ, and the glory that should follow. 


v 12, Unto whom it was revealed, that not unto themselves, but unto us they did minister the things, which are now reported unto you by them that have preached the gospel unto you with the Holy Ghost sent down from heaven; which things the angels desire to look into. 

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God told us in the O.T. that His only begotten Son would be born of the lineage of David and that He would be born as a Man  and His name would be Jesus and that He would be saving people from their sins ,so God foreordained that His Son Jesus would be born of a Jew, the lineage of David.

Matthew 1:1

1 The book of the genealogy of Jesus Christ, the son of David, the son of Abraham.

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The Samaritans were out casts because the intermarried with non Jews 

The Samaritans understood that the Jews were Gods chosen People, therefore he said Salvation was of the Jews but as he told her there was a time coming that worship and salvation would not be exclusive of the Jews but to all who worshiped God in spirit and in truth.   That's my take on it  

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On 9/28/2018 at 8:13 AM, Eliptic01 said:

John 4:21-23:

21“Believe Me, woman,” Jesus replied, “a time is coming when you will worship the Father neither on this mountain nor in Jerusalem. 22You worship what you do not know; we worship what we do know, for salvation is from the Jews. 23But a time is coming and has now come when the true worshipers will worship the Father in spirit and in truth, for the Father is seeking such as these to worship Him.…

In our chat room the other day I posited this text as a question and still did not get a definitive answer.

There were responses that were eloquent in defining things like the Gospel and its meaning, but still they did not answer the obvious question, that is:

Just what did Jesus mean when He said this to the Samaritan woman?

Was He referring to the tribe of Judah on general or also to Himself in particular?

And if to Himself in particular then what about those who say that by the blood lineage of Mary, from the Gospel of Luke 1:31-35

The only mention of Mary’s genealogy is that her relative (KJV: cousin) Elizabeth was “a daughter of Aaron” (Luke 1:5)

And then there are those that say that the word "Jew" doesn't belong in that passage.

 

Jesus was talking to the Samaritans, who did not worship in the Temple in Jerusalem.

Originally the tent of the Temple was on the mountain in the Samaritan region. 

The Samaritans in general did not accept the moving of the Temple to Jerusalem, for their own reasons, one of them was that the portal where God meets them is in the original place in their mountain, and for that reason they continiun to worship in the mountain and they believe that the Christ will come through them from the mountain where the old Temple in the Tents was. Through the portal to Heaven. 

Remember that Abraham kept visiting the exact spot where God appeared or talked to him and the same for Jacob where he show the Angels going down and up from Heaven. 

The believe in the portals thats where God wanted to appeared to them and the worship in that place. 

( Mecca is another example, the wall in Jerusalem is another one). 

Jesus was telling the Samaritans that he understands their beliefs, and their reasoning, but it won't happened their way, for they too were waiting for the Messiah to come, and from their place, not from Jerusalem. 

Jesus instructed them that they will hear the News , as in the case when Philip went there to bring the good news, and to prepared them he foretold them to expect and to search the scriptures that the Christ will come from among the Jews, and the first place the gospel was preach was in Jerusalem and ir spead from there.

As Jesus said first in Jerusalem then in the Judea, then in souranding regions and in Samaria, and that what happened. 

And the Samaritans remember the words if Jesus and welcomed The Gospel preach by Philip.

Because Philip he teach them that there is no need to go to Jerusalem to worship and they do not need the High Priest and the burden of the Jews.

That the Jews are not greater than them in the eyes if God. 

And they can worship in Samaria in Spirit and in Truth.

God in Jesus Christ he does not want their animals, and to bring presents and offerings to him. 

In the Temple or any other place, excellent news for the poor Samaritans...

And God did many miracles amongs the Samaritans. AMEN...

 

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2 hours ago, Sojourner414 said:

Why are you trying to use astrology to prove your point? You know that's occultic.

And you know that is not the case.  Rev. 12 is a star sign mentioned in the Bible as such.  Attempts to say it isn't is ignoring facts.

However, I acknowledge you having challenge anyone who mentions Rev. 12.  So, you can ask the mods to delete that chapter and verse from discussion.  

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