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4 minutes ago, Gibbus said:

(God Won't Cleanse the Temple, that maybe something the Antichrist wants, not something I want, humanity will just pass away soon)

(The God is King over this Earth for 153 Days, and All Humanity is Dead during that time) (Restatement)

ZECHARIAH 14:8 And it shall be in that day, [that] living waters shall go out from Jerusalem; half of them toward the former sea, and half of them toward the hinder sea: in summer and in winter shall it be.

DANIEL 9:27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make [it] desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.

ZECHARIAH 14:9 And the LORD shall be king over all the earth: in that day shall there be one LORD, and his name one.

DANIEL 12:13 But go thou thy way till the end [be]: for thou shalt rest, and stand in thy lot at the end of the days.

 

 

EDITING

Not sure why you replied to my question with this? 

Why even quote me if your not answering the question i posed?

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7 hours ago, Adstar said:

When do you believe the Saints will be reasurected and transformed into eternal perfect beings? 

Before Zechariah 14:4  ?

On the day of Zechariah 14: 4 ?

Sometime after Zechariah 14: 4 ?

Of course as Paul has told us, BEFORE.

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8 hours ago, R. Hartono said:

You understand that Jesus 2nd coming will be to Armageddon war first to defeat a/c and false prophet with their armies, He will then touch the ground of Mt. Olive where He departed 2000 years ago,  the land will then split massively as the new kingdom of Christ shall be built there, why would God come down to destroy Gog n Magog invasion when His Son is already in Jerusalem ? the Armageddon battle would settle all Israel's enemies be4 the Millennium.

Zechariah 14:4  And his feet shall stand in that day upon the mount of Olives, which is before Jerusalem on the east, and the mount of Olives shall cleave in the midst thereof toward the east and toward the west, and there shall be a very great valley; and half of the mountain shall remove toward the north, and half of it toward the south.

9 And the Lord shall be king over all the earth: in that day shall there be one Lord, and his name one.

I think this will be His THIRD coming. He will come the second time FOR His saints, pretrib.

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6 hours ago, iamlamad said:

I think this will be His THIRD coming. He will come the second time FOR His saints, pretrib.

(Big Big Problems) (Thinking)

1. 70 Years of Daniel

2. Three Days then "Middle of the Week" 1260/42 Years Gentile Reign

(Saints Go with God, God touches the 4th Vial/4th Seal/4th Trumpet)

3. Three Days then, 150 Days, Humanity is Dead, God does the Work

(The Gentile Prophecies, Nostradamus, Issac Newton, William Miller, Saint Malachy, all seem to believe the "Saints will be taken first") (I disputed this, pending an action form God, but I also called this false for good reasons) (Ezekiel 38 to 39 you can call the Gentile Reign of Isaiah)

 

(Big Big Problems) (Bottom Line) (Gentile Principal of King David)

II SAMUEL 2:10 Ishbosheth Saul's son [was] forty years old when he began to reign over Israel, and reigned two years. But the house of Judah followed David.

II SAMUEL 2:11 And the time that David was king in Hebron over the house of Judah was seven years and six months.

Higgs Boson (1260/42 Outside of 70 Weeks)*

II SAMUEL 5:4 David [was] thirty years old when he began to reign, [and] he reigned forty years.

II SAMUEL 5:5 In Hebron he reigned over Judah seven years and six months: and in Jerusalem he reigned thirty and three years over all Israel and Judah.

70 Weeks with Observable "1260/42" Inside of 70 Weeks*

 

70 Years // 1290 and 1335 // 1260 (42 Years)

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God groups the figures this way, you can't change the order, and you can't change the groupings ................. everything that I said was valid and true until 12/21/2018 .................... I will try to restate the position briefly:

70 Years then in "One Week 1290 1335", God addresses the "Abomination of Desolation" .... then in "Middle of the Week 1260/42", God Pours how his address on the Desolate, that is how you read daniel's figures, with the addition God revealed for the Gentiles according to Isaiah as he said he would.

Without more Detail there are two rays to read this statement, this is the Big Big Problem:

This is the First Way (Ezra 8:35): 70 Years, but 42 Years before that Marks the End of Weeks, and 1260 Days Marks the 1290th Day at the End of the 70th Week .............. so 1335 Days from the 70th Year, is End of Weeks and that is also End of the 42nd Year. (1290 Days to 9/23/2017 then 1335 Days to 2021 A.D., "1260/42" is just Gentile Foolishness, No Value since they are calculated within the 70 Weeks period).

 

This is the Second Way (Isaiah 17:6)

II CORINTHIANS 11:24 Of the Jews five times received I forty [stripes] save one.

II CORINTHIANS 11:25 Thrice was I beaten with rods, once was I stoned, thrice I suffered shipwreck, a night and a day I have been in the deep;

70 Years // 1290 - 1335 = 450 // 42 Years to 2060 A.D.

9/23/2017 + 450 Days to 12/21/2018 + 42 Years to 2060 A.D.

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God says, gives us, "One Week and Middle of the Week" as Parables, he doesn't directly assign number value to them. However:

You can't change the groupings of the figures, or the Order: (There just isn't much that can be done to square this with the gospel and Gentile Prophecies God allowed, it is either this way, or the other way no middle ground)

Here's is an Example: 70 Years and that is ok Done ... then ... you can go 1290 + 1335 Days to Double Eclipse Alignment of USA, in 2024 A.D. However, none of this marked the 70th Year of 9/23/2017, in the "Middle of the Week", beyond that "Flight 370 already marked 1290 Days to 9/23/2017, from God" ................... beyond that, the 42 Years from Solstice Precessional Alignment to end of 70 Weeks no longer works, and 42 Years from 2024 A.D. is no longer "Halley's Comet 2060 A.D.", if you do anything else, lets say you go from 70 Years and then add 1260 Days, you just violated the order of the figures God uses "1290 and 1335 comes first" (Lots of additional errors with the language of the gospel if you don't use the two conclusions we provided already).

 

**** The Case is not closed until after 9/23/2017 to 12/21 to CHRISTMAS at best

God only gives us one length of 1260/42 for the Gentiles ................... God is not giving us 1260/42 for the "Two Witnesses" and also for the Gentiles ...................... Miller's Prophecy of "1260 + 1260" is not valid on those terms. "One Week of Daniel", God already told us that "1290 and 1335" was one week"1260/42 for Gentiles is only One Period for "Middle of the Week" this is the Prophecy according to Isaiah and Ezekiel 38-39 that God Revealed.

1. Solstice Precessional Alignment to 2021 A.D. = Complete Conclusion

2. Sun in Dark Rift 12/21/2018 to Halley's Comet 2060 A.D. = Complete  Conclusion

(Like Someone Said, already "Zechariah 14:8", which says "Summer and Winter to mark the 70 Weeks of Daniel, and the Gentile Reign" can only provide these two answers with the Gospel's Law) (Beginning with Roswell UFO near June Solstice, and the last focus is near the December Solstice)

 

**** When the Case is Closed

We will be too far from the 70th Year, to provide a truth that reports the gospel, with some minor deviation, we can be absolutely certain this year in 2018, expires God's willingness to contend with man for his discernment of the seed populations for the new earths.  "One Week and Middle of the Week", you can never say that "1290 Days" comes after the 70th Year, nor can you say, for that reason that "Seven Years" will come after the 70th Year.  For those reasons, you can never use the figure of "1260 by itself" it is not Seven Years, it was never intended to be Seven Years, and also if you say 70 Years and then 1260 Days, then where is "1290 and 1335" the order and implied usage is violated (Genealogies of 77 for Luke and 42 for Matthew, teaches us the figure of 1260/42 is either inside or it is isolated, it is not a substitute for Seven Years, it does not replace "1290 and 1335" as William Miller Implied).

What I am trying to say is that, everything that I've said, that we've said is valid and true, and there are only two valid conclusions until this year passes, and then there is only one valid conclusion with God, no deviations, no word play, nothing can satisfy the language of the gospel's law coherently.

(God doesn't go below the 4th Vial / 4th Seal / 4 Trumpet (everybody dies) ........................... or the 4th Vial / 4th Seal / 4th is Gentile Reign and then the 6th Vial / 6th Seal / 6th Trumpet is everybody dies)

(We are fortunate, some conclusions, require God to do nothing to be validated, then only 2 1/2 years, more)

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22 hours ago, Adstar said:

When do you believe the Saints will be reasurected and transformed into eternal perfect beings?

Imho be4 they are taken to the Throne (the great multitude) just be4 a/c appears to conquer the world with peace pacts, especially between Israel-Arab which we know its being proposed now.

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23 hours ago, R. Hartono said:

Psalm 83 war was the 6 Days war where Israel finally reoccupy Jerusalem after 2000 years.

Edited by Omegaman 3.0 because it had a video, Videos are only allowed in the video section of the forums. If a person chooses to track it down and risk whatever one risks by going to YouTube, the video may be seen there bye searching for Miracles of the 6 Day War , 1967 and Psalm 83

I certainly agree. It could have dual fulfillment however, considering they're surrounded by angry ISIS.

How else will Israel obtain more land if not from defeating the Psa 83 foe's. I see them obtaining more land in Ez 38-39, via Sheba (S.W. Arabia) and Tarshish (a port on the Mediterranean).

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20 minutes ago, R. Hartono said:

Imho be4 they are taken to the Throne (the great multitude) just be4 a/c appears to conquer the world with peace pacts, especially between Israel-Arab which we know its being proposed now.

So all the Saints will be reasurected / raptured before the AC appears to conquer the world ??  That does not align with scripture at all..

(Luke 21:8-28) "And he said, Take heed that ye be not deceived: for many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and the time draweth near: go ye not therefore after them. {9} But when ye shall hear of wars and commotions, be not terrified: for these things must first come to pass; but the end is not by and by. {10} Then said he unto them, Nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom: {11} And great earthquakes shall be in divers places, and famines, and pestilences; and fearful sights and great signs shall there be from heaven. {12} But before all these, they shall lay their hands on you, and persecute you, delivering you up to the synagogues, and into prisons, being brought before kings and rulers for my name’s sake. {13} And it shall turn to you for a testimony. {14} Settle it therefore in your hearts, not to meditate before what ye shall answer: {15} For I will give you a mouth and wisdom, which all your adversaries shall not be able to gainsay nor resist. {16} And ye shall be betrayed both by parents, and brethren, and kinsfolks, and friends; and some of you shall they cause to be put to death. {17} And ye shall be hated of all men for my name’s sake. {18} But there shall not an hair of your head perish. {19} In your patience possess ye your souls. {20} And when ye shall see Jerusalem compassed with armies, then know that the desolation thereof is nigh. {21} Then let them which are in Judæa flee to the mountains; and let them which are in the midst of it depart out; and let not them that are in the countries enter thereinto. {22} For these be the days of vengeance, that all things which are written may be fulfilled. {23} But woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck, in those days! for there shall be great distress in the land, and wrath upon this people. {24} And they shall fall by the edge of the sword, and shall be led away captive into all nations: and Jerusalem shall be trodden down of the Gentiles, until the times of the Gentiles be fulfilled. {25}And there shall be signs in the sun, and in the moon, and in the stars; and upon the earth distress of nations, with perplexity; the sea and the waves roaring; {26} Men’s hearts failing them for fear, and for looking after those things which are coming on the earth: for the powers of heaven shall be shaken. {27} And then shall they see the Son of man coming in a cloud with power and great glory. {28} And when these things begin to come to pass, then look up, and lift up your heads; for your redemption draweth nigh."

 

So at the end of describing all these end days happenings.. The persecution we shall face, the great earthquakes, famines, Jerusalem surounded by armies, people fleeing Judea into the mountains, end times signs like changes in the Sun Moon and in the stars ( blood moon, darkened sun and stars falling from the sky) and finally seeing the Son of Man coming in a Cloud with Power and great Glory... The scripture then says to us followers on earth at this time to  ""then look up, and lift up your heads; for your redemption draweth nigh""  .. to LOOK UP  and know that our redemption is near...

Not that our redemption has already happened before these end time tribulation events in a pre-tribulation rapture.. If the Saints are raptured and resurrected before these events then they would have no need to look up and know that their rapture is about to happen,, that it is near,, because they would have been raptured before all these end times tribulation events had happened.. 

 

 

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23 hours ago, R. Hartono said:

why would God come down to destroy Gog n Magog invasion when His Son is already in Jerusalem ?

Gog and Magog will already be destroyed by the time Jesus lands on the mount of olives with His saints, Ez 38:18-23 and Ez 39:1-6.

The saints coming down from heaven on white horses occurs prior to the great supper of God (the birds eating the bodies of Ez 38-39), read Rev 19:14-18. The clean up process will take seven months, via the Israelites burying bodies with the help of birds and wild animals taking care of the rest.

While all this is going on Israel has begun burning weapons for seven years, Ez 39:9. The clean up process from Ez 38-39 will be long and tedious, but thankfully Satan will be bound for a 1000 yr, Rev 19:19-21 and Rev 20:1-3.

Ez 39:11-20 “ ‘On that day I will give Gog a burial place in Israel, in the valley of those who travel east of the Sea. It will block the way of travelers, because Gog and all his hordes will be buried there. So it will be called the Valley of Hamon Gog. 12“ ‘For seven months the Israelites will be burying them in order to cleanse the land. 13All the people of the land will bury them, and the day I display my glory will be a memorable day for them, declares the Sovereign Lord. 14People will be continually employed in cleansing the land. They will spread out across the land and, along with others, they will bury any bodies that are lying on the ground. “ ‘After the seven months they will carry out a more detailed search. 15As they go through the land, anyone who sees a human bone will leave a marker beside it until the gravediggers bury it in the Valley of Hamon Gog, 16near a town called Hamonah. And so they will cleanse the land.’

17“Son of man, this is what the Sovereign Lord says: Call out to every kind of bird and all the wild animals: ‘Assemble and come together from all around to the sacrifice I am preparing for you, the great sacrifice on the mountains of Israel. There you will eat flesh and drink blood. 18You will eat the flesh of mighty men and drink the blood of the princes of the earth as if they were rams and lambs, goats and bulls—all of them fattened animals from Bashan. 19At the sacrifice I am preparing for you, you will eat fat till you are glutted and drink blood till you are drunk. 20At my table you will eat your fill of horses and riders, mighty men and soldiers of every kind,’ declares the Sovereign Lord.

Rev 19:14-18 The armies of heaven were following him, riding on white horses and dressed in fine linen, white and clean. 15Coming out of his mouth is a sharp sword with which to strike down the nations. “He will rule them with an iron scepter.” He treads the winepress of the fury of the wrath of God Almighty. 16On his robe and on his thigh he has this name written:

17And I saw an angel standing in the sun, who cried in a loud voice to all the birds flying in midair, “Come, gather together for the great supper of God, 18so that you may eat the flesh of kings, generals, and the mighty, of horses and their riders, and the flesh of all people, free and slave, great and small.”

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34 minutes ago, Adstar said:

So all the Saints will be reasurected / raptured before the AC appears to conquer the world ??  That does not align with scripture at all..

 

One shall be taken one shall be left, the taken are the great multitude, the left are the tribulation saints without oil.

 

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1 minute ago, R. Hartono said:

One shall be taken one shall be left, the taken are the great multitude, the left are the tribulation saints without oil.

 

So there are two raptures now?   I don't think so..

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