Faithbuilders Posted November 13, 2018 Group: Advanced Member Followers: 3 Topic Count: 23 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 235 Content Per Day: 0.04 Reputation: 166 Days Won: 0 Joined: 01/29/2008 Status: Offline Birthday: 09/20/1972 Share Posted November 13, 2018 1 hour ago, Betha said: Let's take a look at JUDE v7 .....even as Sodom and Gomorrah (for example) suffering the vengeance of eternal fire...where ? right here on earth. possibly none of us understand completely !!! Not on earth, cause there would still be a fire in there old location.... No the ONLY eternal fire is in the lake of fire, and hell will be cast in for eternal torment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HAZARD Posted November 13, 2018 Group: Royal Member Followers: 11 Topic Count: 320 Topics Per Day: 0.04 Content Count: 6,830 Content Per Day: 0.84 Reputation: 3,570 Days Won: 1 Joined: 02/16/2002 Status: Offline Share Posted November 13, 2018 1 hour ago, Betha said: Let's take a look at JUDE v7 .....even as Sodom and Gomorrah (for example) suffering the vengeance of eternal fire...where ? right here on earth. possibly none of us understand completely !!! Jude 7, Even as Sodom and Gomorrha, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire. They became examples of suffering the vengeance of God in eternal fire (v 7; Isa.66:24; Matt. 25:46; Mark 9:43-49; Rev. 14:9-11; 20:10-15). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
n2thelight Posted November 14, 2018 Group: Non-Conformist Theology Followers: 2 Topic Count: 48 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 2,139 Content Per Day: 0.69 Reputation: 796 Days Won: 1 Joined: 10/20/2015 Status: Offline Share Posted November 14, 2018 11 hours ago, enoob57 said: We prefer to let God's Word be on this subject … Rev 20:10 10 And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever. KJV If God says this here then your understanding cannot be what it is there! Precept must be upon precept and line upon line I always prefer God's word to speak as well. You thinking the soul can't die,and therefore will be in hell forever,yet scripture says the soul not only can but will die You thinking the soul is automatically immortal yet scripture says it must put on immortality,which is the difference in taking part in the first resurrection on the second. Those who have to wait on the 2nd have a mortal soul Do you understand the resurrection is? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
enoob57 Posted November 14, 2018 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 35 Topic Count: 99 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 41,069 Content Per Day: 7.97 Reputation: 21,395 Days Won: 76 Joined: 03/13/2010 Status: Offline Birthday: 07/27/1957 Share Posted November 14, 2018 5 minutes ago, n2thelight said: I always prefer God's word to speak as well. You thinking the soul can't die,and therefore will be in hell forever,yet scripture says the soul not only can but will die You thinking the soul is automatically immortal yet scripture says it must put on immortality,which is the difference in taking part in the first resurrection on the second. Those who have to wait on the 2nd have a mortal soul Do you understand the resurrection is? The only true death is separation from God … cessation of existence is no where to be found in Scripture. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
n2thelight Posted November 14, 2018 Group: Non-Conformist Theology Followers: 2 Topic Count: 48 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 2,139 Content Per Day: 0.69 Reputation: 796 Days Won: 1 Joined: 10/20/2015 Status: Offline Share Posted November 14, 2018 47 minutes ago, enoob57 said: The only true death is separation from God … cessation of existence is no where to be found in Scripture. You wrong Matthew 10:28 "And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
enoob57 Posted November 14, 2018 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 35 Topic Count: 99 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 41,069 Content Per Day: 7.97 Reputation: 21,395 Days Won: 76 Joined: 03/13/2010 Status: Offline Birthday: 07/27/1957 Share Posted November 14, 2018 6 hours ago, n2thelight said: You wrong Matthew 10:28 "And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell." It called eternal, everlasting, punishment Dan 12:2 Matt 25:41 Mark 9:44 Mark 9:46 Mark 9:48-49 Luke 16:26 John 5:29 2 Thess 1:9 Rev 14:10-11 Rev 20:10 Rev 20:15 Rev 21:8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
n2thelight Posted November 14, 2018 Group: Non-Conformist Theology Followers: 2 Topic Count: 48 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 2,139 Content Per Day: 0.69 Reputation: 796 Days Won: 1 Joined: 10/20/2015 Status: Offline Share Posted November 14, 2018 35 minutes ago, enoob57 said: It called eternal, everlasting, punishment Dan 12:2 Matt 25:41 Mark 9:44 Mark 9:46 Mark 9:48-49 Luke 16:26 John 5:29 2 Thess 1:9 Rev 14:10-11 Rev 20:10 Rev 20:15 Rev 21:8 Yes it is everlasting for the simple fact you not coming back from it. I can see how you see those scriptures,but you are looking at them wrong. You will be dead forever that's a fact,and not just a separation from God Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
enoob57 Posted November 14, 2018 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 35 Topic Count: 99 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 41,069 Content Per Day: 7.97 Reputation: 21,395 Days Won: 76 Joined: 03/13/2010 Status: Offline Birthday: 07/27/1957 Share Posted November 14, 2018 14 minutes ago, n2thelight said: Yes it is everlasting for the simple fact you not coming back from it. I can see how you see those scriptures,but you are looking at them wrong. You will be dead forever that's a fact,and not just a separation from God What amazes me is that people who manipulate the Word of God seem to think they still have the Word of God... and in simplest language if the worm does not cease not will anything else as far as existing... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
n2thelight Posted November 14, 2018 Group: Non-Conformist Theology Followers: 2 Topic Count: 48 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 2,139 Content Per Day: 0.69 Reputation: 796 Days Won: 1 Joined: 10/20/2015 Status: Offline Share Posted November 14, 2018 14 minutes ago, enoob57 said: What amazes me is that people who manipulate the Word of God seem to think they still have the Word of God... and in simplest language if the worm does not cease not will anything else as far as existing... One day we shall find out,so I'll end this with a question. Don't know if you have children, if you do ,would you let them suffer for ever ? I couldn't, even though you made your bed,that's cruel and unusual punishment, I serve a just God, not a cruel one,and nothing justifies being tortured forever... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
enoob57 Posted November 14, 2018 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 35 Topic Count: 99 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 41,069 Content Per Day: 7.97 Reputation: 21,395 Days Won: 76 Joined: 03/13/2010 Status: Offline Birthday: 07/27/1957 Share Posted November 14, 2018 44 minutes ago, n2thelight said: One day we shall find out,so I'll end this with a question. Don't know if you have children, if you do ,would you let them suffer for ever ? I couldn't, even though you made your bed,that's cruel and unusual punishment, I serve a just God, not a cruel one,and nothing justifies being tortured forever... It sounds like you are serving a god of your own making... God 'IS' as His Word has communicated to us of Him! Humanism is where I start forming god to my liking not according to His Word! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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