Is Hell Real?

[frienduff thaylorde]

5 minutes ago, 1sheep said:

I think you give out too much credit here. Some are simply parroting what they wrongly learned and come to bring division. 

Maybe .     But watch how closely  I will keep an eye on this fellow .    IT WILL SURFACE .     IT WILL .     but since it has not yet surfaced their is no need for me to continue on this .

BUT it will ,    and  not if , BUT WHEN it does , ol frienduff gonna be on itand shred it  like a starved bull dog on  a pork chop .    La MADRE de las meurtes Rome ,  will never rest till she has captivated all she can . 

Edited October 9, 2018 by frienduff thaylorde

[Concretecamper]

3 hours ago, Davida said:

It's a case of wise in their own sight type of thing Oh wow! look scripture conforms to my opinion! what a coincidence...lol! We submit to the wisdom and truth of the word of God, the full counsel of God, not cherry-picked verses. 

Mocking a brother christian who believe contrary to you.  Is that your typical evangelizing style?

[Concretecamper]

4 hours ago, frienduff thaylorde said:

BUT it will ,    and  not if , BUT WHEN it does ,

What are you trying to say here?

[Guest 1sheep]

2 minutes ago, Davida said:

https://www.gotquestions.org/interpretations-Christian.html

Why are there so many different Christian interpretations?

Question: "Why are there so many different Christian interpretations? If all Christians have the same Bible, and the same Holy Spirit, should not Christians be able to agree?"

Answer: Scripture says there is “one Lord, one faith, one baptism” (Ephesians 4:5). This passage emphasizes the unity that should exist in the body of Christ as we are indwelt by “one Spirit” (verse 4). In verse 3, Paul makes an appeal to humility, meekness, patience, and love—all of which are necessary to preserve unity. According to 1 Corinthians 2:10-13, the Holy Spirit knows the mind of God (verse 11), which He reveals (verse 10) and teaches (verse 13) to those whom He indwells. This activity of the Holy Spirit is called illumination.

In a perfect world, every believer would dutifully study the Bible (2 Timothy 2:15) in prayerful dependence upon the Holy Spirit’s illumination. As can be clearly seen, this is not a perfect world. Not everyone who possesses the Holy Spirit actually listens to the Holy Spirit. There are Christians who grieve Him (Ephesians 4:30). Ask any educator—even the best classroom teacher has his share of wayward students who seem to resist learning, no matter what the teacher does. So, one reason different people have different interpretations of the Bible is simply that some do not listen to the Teacher—the Holy Spirit. Following are some other reasons for the wide divergence of beliefs among those who teach the Bible.

1. Unbelief. The fact is that many who claim to be Christians have never been born again. They wear the label of “Christian,” but there has been no true change of heart. Many who do not even believe the Bible to be true presume to teach it. They claim to speak for God yet live in a state of unbelief. Most false interpretations of Scripture come from such sources.

It is impossible for an unbeliever to correctly interpret Scripture. “The man without the Spirit does not accept the things that come from the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him, and he cannot understand them, because they are spiritually discerned” (1 Corinthians 2:14). An unsaved man cannot understand the truth of the Bible. He has no illumination. Further, even being a pastor or theologian does not guarantee one’s salvation.

An example of the chaos created by unbelief is found in John 12:28-29. Jesus prays to the Father, saying, “Father, glorify your name.” The Father responds with an audible voice from heaven, which everyone nearby hears. Notice, however, the difference in interpretation: “The crowd that was there and heard it said it had thundered; others said an angel had spoken to him.” Everyone heard the same thing—an intelligible statement from heaven—yet everyone heard what he wanted to hear.

2. Lack of training. The apostle Peter warns against those who misinterpret the Scriptures. He attributes their spurious teachings in part to the fact that they are “ignorant” (2 Peter 3:16). Timothy is told to “Do your best to present yourself to God as one approved, a workman who does not need to be ashamed and who correctly handles the word of truth” (2 Timothy 2:15). There is no shortcut to proper biblical interpretation; we are constrained to study.

3. Poor hermeneutics. Much error has been promoted because of a simple failure to apply good hermeneutics (the science of interpreting Scripture). Taking a verse out of its immediate context can do great damage to the intent of the verse. Ignoring the wider context of the chapter and book, or failing to understand the historical/cultural context will also lead to problems.

4. Ignorance of the whole Word of God. Apollos was a powerful and eloquent preacher, but he only knew the baptism of John. He was ignorant of Jesus and His provision of salvation, so his message was incomplete. Aquila and Priscilla took him aside and “explained to him the way of God more adequately” (Acts 18:24-28). After that, Apollos preached Jesus Christ. Some groups and individuals today have an incomplete message because they concentrate on certain passages to the exclusion of others. They fail to compare Scripture with Scripture.

5. Selfishness and pride. Sad to say, many interpretations of the Bible are based on an individual’s own personal biases and pet doctrines. Some people see an opportunity for personal advancement by promoting a “new perspective” on Scripture. (See the description of false teachers in Jude’s epistle.)

6. Failure to mature. When Christians are not maturing as they should, their handling of the Word of God is affected. “I gave you milk, not solid food, for you were not yet ready for it. Indeed, you are still not ready. You are still worldly” (1 Corinthians 3:2-3). An immature Christian is not ready for the “meat” of God’s Word. Note that the proof of the Corinthians’ carnality is a division in their church (verse 4). 

7. Undue emphasis on tradition. Some churches claim to believe the Bible, but their interpretation is always filtered through the established traditions of their church. Where tradition and the teaching of the Bible are in conflict, tradition is given precedence. This effectively negates the authority of the Word and grants supremacy to the church leadership.

On the essentials, the Bible is abundantly clear. There is nothing ambiguous about the deity of Christ, the reality of heaven and hell, and salvation by grace through faith. On some issues of less importance, however, the teaching of Scripture is less clear, and this naturally leads to different interpretations. For example, we have no direct biblical command governing the frequency of communion or the style of music to use. Honest, sincere Christians can have differing interpretations of the passages concerning these peripheral issues.

The important thing is to be dogmatic where Scripture is and to avoid being dogmatic where Scripture is not. Churches should strive to follow the model of the early church in Jerusalem: “They devoted themselves to the apostles' teaching and to the fellowship, to the breaking of bread and to prayer” (Acts 2:42). There was unity in the early church because they were steadfast in the apostles’ doctrine. There will be unity in the church again when we get back to the apostles’ doctrine and forego the other doctrines, fads, and gimmicks that have crept into the church.

Recommended Resource: The Moody Handbook of Theology by Paul Enns

#1 states what we cant on this site even when it is brazenly obvious. 

#7 is obviously speaking of false churches such as the RC Church for example.

[n2thelight]

On 10/8/2018 at 10:03 AM, Your Brother In Christ said:

I have heard that many Christians do not believe that hell is real. I found this to be absurd, but I am open to hearing both sides of the argument. So that is what has lead me to proposing this question, is Hell real?

If it is or is not please explain.

 

P.S. I for one do believe it exist. Sorry for the pun in the poll but is just too much for me to resist.

The soul that sins shall die.....It says die not tortured forever

[n2thelight]

Life and Death: The Two Polar Opposites The apostle Paul summed up the whole matter of people’s reward for sin when he wrote: ROMANS 6:23 For the wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life through Christ Jesus our Lord. Could anything be clearer than this text? The wages for sin is shown to be death, and eternal life is stated to be a gift from God, not something people already have.

This is consistently expressed from Genesis to Revelation, notice: MATTHEW 7:13-14 “Enter through the narrow gate, for wide is the gate and broad the road that leads to destruction and many enter through it, (14) but small is the gate and narrow the road that leads to life, and only a few find it.” JOHN 3:16 “For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.” ROMANS 8:13 For if you live according to the sinful nature, you will die; but if by the spirit you put to death the misdeeds of the body, you will live. GALATIONS 6:8 The one who sows to please the sinful nature from that nature will reap destruction; the one who sows to please the spirit, from the spirit will reap eternal life.

PROVERBS 11:19 The truly righteous man attains life, but he who pursues evil goes to his death. 1 All these passages clearly describe the two separate destinies of the righteous and the unrighteous. The “righteous” are people who are in-right-standing with God because they’ve accepted his sacrifice for their sins, the “unrighteous” are those who are not in-right-standing with their Creator because they’ve rejected his offer of salvation.2 The former will inherit eternal life, whereas the latter will reap the wages of sin and be destroyed.

Yet those who adhere to the eternal torture doctrine mysteriously don’t accept this blatantly clear biblical truth. They don’t believe that the two polar opposites are life and death; they believe the two polar opposites are eternal life in heavenly bliss and eternal life in burning torment. Sounds ridiculous, doesn’t it? They may not phrase it in such an open manner, but this is what they actually believe when it comes down to it. Eternal Life and Immortality – Only Available through the Gospel The offer to receive eternal life as opposed to suffering everlasting destruction is what the gospel of Christ is all about. We see this plainly expressed in this passage: 2TIMOTHY 1:10 But (God’s grace) has now been revealed through the appearing of our Savior, Christ Jesus, who has destroyed death and has brought life and immortality to light through the gospel.”

[frienduff thaylorde]

12 hours ago, Concretecamper said:

What are you trying to say here?

I am watching your mindset .   and its honestly not good what I am seeing .   When it gets spotted,    believe me I will let you know .   

IN the mean while ,  avoid churches that are focusing on these terms .   Bridge builders ,   healing the wound ,   focusing on unity rather than doctrine .

Let us instead focus on witnessing and evangelism , LIKE JESUS and the apostles did .    A good word to remember is , that if a brother or sister is in error

IT IS A BIG DEAL and must be corrected asap .   THEIR is only ONE HOLY SPIRIT and it don't teach one person one thing and another person something that contradicts .

And then has them just come together for unity anway .     Example.    IF one man says He is holy spirit filled and reads the bible

and says the lake of fire is real and describes it the way JESUS did in the bible.     And then another man says he is holy spirit filled and reads the bible

and yet don't think its real .    THEY are not both being taught by the HOLY SPIRIT .

For example you don't see this as a serious issue , or you would not be saying the things you do .

But its very clear the lake of fire is mentioned in revelation .  AND JESUS said ,  IF ANY MAN adds to or takes from THIS BOOK ,      YEAH ITS DEAD SERIOUS .

yet I see more of an attitude of unity in you and not the serious mind .     I see it .  Whether or not you will admit it .

But look at how serious this is , IF EVEN JESUS said , if any man adds too or takes from I WILL add to him the plagues in this book .

That means GODS WRATH agasint such a person .  SEE, its time we take the WORD of GOD SERIOUS and build the church up BY those words

and not rather just this phony unity that panders to emotions , sets the WORD of GOD second place at most , and puts sensual earthly relationships FIRST PLACE .

THAT is a recipe for disaster .    Just remember that . 

Edited October 10, 2018 by frienduff thaylorde

[frienduff thaylorde]

11 hours ago, Davida said:

 Here's  how Peter evangelizes :  Mishandling of scriptures is a serious thing.  This is what Peter says about misunderstanding or misrepresenting the meaning of scriptures, in this specific case he was referring to when people don't understand Apostle Paul's writings .  He calls these people that do that "ignorant and unstable " as they do with the rest of the scriptures to THEIR OWN DESTRUCTION. "

2Peter 3:16 "just as our beloved brother Paul also wrote you with the wisdom God gave him. 16He writes this way in all his letters, speaking in them about such matters. Some parts of his letters are hard to understand, which ignorant and unstable people distort, as they do the rest of the Scriptures,to their own destruction. 

Let us ponder on those words unto their own destruction .     Case in point is this very topic we are now on .     ITS a very serious one and I can prove this by scripture .

First we notice at least one here , is not taking this serious at all.    

So I hope they hear this and repent fast .    This very issue of hell the lake of fire must be clearly understood and not twisted , added too or taken from .

Do we hear about the lake of fire in revelation.   WE DO .  And does it not describe it as a place of eternal torment that the devil , false prophet , beast and all

who are not in the lambs book of life will end up .  YES IT DOES .    And what else does that book say .  IF ANY MAN takes from or adds too ............

SO they are indeed distorting scripture unto their own destruction when they try and either air condition hell or blot its existence away .

FOLKS don't realize.  IT WAS GOD HIMSELF that spoke those words .   CHRIST HIMSELF that said where the fire is not quenched and their worm dies not .

THIS IS SERIOUS .

[frienduff thaylorde]

1 minute ago, Davida said:

Actually my point was I was joking , to make a point , not mocking as I was accused by concrete (but only because of what I said about the RCC), if you want the truth,  but then I look at the scriptures Apostle Peter taught the seriousness of misinterpreting Paul's writings. 

OH dear sister you loved .   And frankly I honestly don't regaurd what the pope himself would say about you or what you write .

and on that note ,   WOE unto you when men shall speak well of you , for so did their fathers unto the false prophets .  

So we sure don't want those who wordly magazines praise as the new more accepting form of christanity .    When a gay magazine praises you for your gentler message

REST assured , your preaching is all down hill . 

[frienduff thaylorde]

Maybe a thread should be started on that .   When unrepentant sinners LOVE your message ,   LOOK OUT , for if the WORLD loves your message, ITS NOT TRUTH or CHRIST CENTERED .