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1 hour ago, Concretecamper said:

My point is that the people who read God's word and come to the conclusion that eternal torment (hell) doesn't exist "annihilationism" say you are refusing to accept the clear Word of God by believing in the folly of hell.  As far as you know, they could be right.  You thinking you are right and they thinking they are right doesnt solve anything.  If all you have to offer is "I'm right becasue it is me who is clearly reading His Word correctly" that's not going to change minds.  And please don't quote scripture, the annihilationalist are reading the same scripture you are reading and are coming to a different conclusion.

Do you ever stop to hear yourself? You said alot of words but said nothing worthy of consideration.

I could understand if this topic was one of difficult exegesis but it isnt! 

Scripture is crystal clear. A child can understand.

I am sure most have already realized that you came here to be the opposing view on MOST EVERYTHING. 

It is entirely unprofitable to strive with your nonsensical babble. 

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1 minute ago, 1sheep said:

Do you ever stop to hear yourself? You said alot of words but said nothing worthy of consideration.

I could understand if this topic was one of difficult exegesis but it isnt! 

Scripture is crystal clear. A child can understand.

I am sure most have already realized that you came here to be the opposing view on MOST EVERYTHING. 

It is entirely unprofitable to strive with your nonsensical babble. 

 

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9 minutes ago, 1sheep said:

Do you ever stop to hear yourself? You said alot of words but said nothing worthy of consideration.

So, cant answer my question...so resort to insults.  So christian of you

10 minutes ago, 1sheep said:

I could understand if this topic was one of difficult exegesis but it isnt!

Many annilihationalist believe its not a difficult exegesis either....they think you are just plain wtong.

11 minutes ago, 1sheep said:

Scripture is crystal clear. A child can understand

Evidently not if many christians come to a different conclusion than you.

 

12 minutes ago, 1sheep said:

I am sure most have already realized that you came here to be the oppisung view on MOST EVERYTHING

No, I am challenging you to get beyond the typical "my bible interpretation is always right" and do a thought experiment on why 2 christians, reading the same bible, can come to different conclusions, and both be convinced they are right, and both claim to be led by the Spirit.  The Spirit is not leading both to the truth...is He.

So instead of examining your position and laying out a clear/ concise argument why it is you that the Spirit is leading you resort to this:

17 minutes ago, 1sheep said:

It is entirely unprofitable to strive with your nonsensical babble. 

I was hoping for more....

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43 minutes ago, 1sheep said:

 

What about divorse and remmarraige, what about homosexual acts.

2 self proclaimed "saved" christians read the same Word of God.  Some say the bible doesn't teach divorse and remmarraige is wrong.  Some say the bible doesn't teach that homosexual acts are wrong.  You may say in both instances that these christians are wrong.  But they are as convinced as you are that they are right.

In matters of one's salvation, christians cannot agree on what the bible teaches.

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As an annihilationist I voted yes. The question is rather odd, because annihilationists don't deny hell, we simply deny that hell consists of eternal conscious torment. Instead we believe that the bible clearly teaches that the fate of the unsaved is death and the word 'hell' refers to Gehenna a.k.a. the Valley of the Sons of Hinnom which is described as a place of slaughter.

So I guess the question should rather have been, "who denies the idea that the fate of the unsaved is eternal conscious torment?" Neither ECT, nor Annihilationists nor Universalists deny hell, so I'm not surprised that there are no 'no' votes.

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3 hours ago, Cletus said:

Mar 9:43  And if thy hand offend thee, cut it off: it is better for thee to enter into life maimed, than having two hands to go into hell, into the fire that never shall be quenched:
Mar 9:44  Where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched.

This says the fire never goes out and basicly you have maggots eating you forever. 

Isa 66:24  "And they shall go out and look on the dead bodies of the men who have rebelled against me. For their worm shall not die, their fire shall not be quenched, and they shall be an abhorrence to all flesh." 

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Guest 1sheep

I agree. Its really obvious isnt it? 

Do you want to go hang out on a catholic chat site? I don't desire to fellowship with those who dont share my faith.

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44 minutes ago, LuftWaffle said:

As an annihilationist I voted yes. The question is rather odd, because annihilationists don't deny hell, we simply deny that hell consists of eternal conscious torment. Instead we believe that the bible clearly teaches that the fate of the unsaved is death and the word 'hell' refers to Gehenna a.k.a. the Valley of the Sons of Hinnom which is described as a place of slaughter.

So I guess the question should rather have been, "who denies the idea that the fate of the unsaved is eternal conscious torment?" Neither ECT, nor Annihilationists nor Universalists deny hell, so I'm not surprised that there are no 'no' votes.

You have to ignore alot of passages to come to your conclusion.

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17 minutes ago, 1sheep said:

You have to ignore alot of passages to come to your conclusion.

I'm aware of the ECT prooftexts. It's basically two sections in Revelation that are visionary symbols, but must be read at face value to support ECT. One parable in Luke (The rich man and Lazarus) which doesn't describe the fate of the unsaved, and then about five or six passages that require eternal conscious torment to be read into them before they can be used as proof texts, but in actual fact are better support for my view when understood in their context. Is that what you're referring to?

If so, I'm aware of those verses and I've studied them very carefully, but I'm always happy to discuss it with honest enquirers

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40 minutes ago, 1sheep said:

You have to ignore alot of passages to come to your conclusion.

Thank you for proving my point. 

You have someone who honestly believes the bible teaches something different from what you claim it teaches and this is the response "you" put forward?

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